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"Often times those of us who are devoted to Master Samael's teachings find it difficult to see those that are close to us fall short in their decisions and personal preferences when regarding spiritual matters. It is as if we are eating gourmet food and it is free (sort of) for the taking, but most people still won't eat it and prefer fast food.
"We can easily work up so much love and devotion to the teachings that we don't recognize that there are egos subtley using the most beautiful and divine aspirations to solidify a type of identification (mystical pride).
"The Master said in many places that in the beginning of being exposed to the doctrine, most everyone wants to learn to control the minds of others. When I first read this, I thought it had nothing to do with me.
"There is nothing wrong with praying for someone to aspire to walk the path, so long as you ask by the Will of the Father, Universal Charity and BY THE LAW OF KARMA!
"We have to learn to respect the will of others. Teach by example and give conscious love.
"If we over expose a sapling to the rays of the sun, it will surely kill any chance of its growth.
"Matthew Thomas has repeatedly qouted the Master when he said that "we need to teach others how to think, not what to think".
Originally posted by NewAgeMan
The Buddha, when he has his epiphany, did so only when he gave up, isn't that right? Of course, everything else could have been preparation, but the final realization came to him only at the end of all his striving and meditating. How can we seek something that is already always now, and how can we "get" anywhere, with all this searching, when surely the thing itself just is. I've been doing the same thing, don't get me wrong, being a slightly addictive personality, all-or-nothing type, but I'm beginning to see that in giving up, is where the peace is. Personally I've come to conclude that it's all about love, in the heart of hearts, and that devotion to love is the path.
I once did a seminar with a highly acclaimed Zen Roshi Master, and the guy was kind of arrogant, cold, and self absorbed. He bragged that in his mediation, all he could see or fathom was endless galaxies, as if he was the absolute Godhead, and yet the vibe he gave off, had no love, no heart, no warmth. He liked also to listen to his own voice when it achieved a very deep, godlike-sounding resonant tone - he kind of gave me the heebie jeebies to be honest. I know love when it's there in a person, and I also know that without it, we are nothing, and apart from love can accomplish nothing of any value or significance.
There seems to be something wrong with Buddhism and all this striving for "enlightenment", the way most concieve of it, that's what I'm beginning to suspect. I'm confused, or maybe I'm not..
Been also watching all the Adi Da videos on the net, and have seen some of his writings, and it's all good until he get's to the point of I am this and I am that, and I am different from you, and then once when he almost quoted Jesus, but caught himself, he then flipped his hair in a slightly flippant way, which I found disturbing. As a young man he was great, but as he got older and started taking himself ever more seriously, and losing his mirthfulness, he lost it imho.edit on 9-12-2010 by NewAgeMan because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by RRokkyy
Originally posted by NewAgeMan
I've had enough of this thread, no more talk or typing about nirvanna for me, I have to give it up.
The Truth is very disturbing to Narcissus,the Egoself.
I gave the book The Knee of Listening to an Eastern Religion Student and he said it was too simple. I gave it to a Christian and he said it was too complicated. I gave it to a Christian Believer and he couldnt see a word on the page,literally. I gave it to someone who was born spiritual and had spontaneous visions when a child and he lost it.
So I got another copy.
D is G
Originally posted by Tamahu
Blasphemy against the Holy Spirit
"Identify the conditioned mind with seed-essence itself; if seed-essence is lost in actuality the karma of slaying a Buddha is incurred; at all costs gain self-control."
- Yeshe Tsogyal
"Fear is the worst enemy of Pistis Sophia.
"Men kill each other because of fear. Nations arm themselves and go to war because of fear. We mistrust people because of fear. Espionage and perversity exist because of fear. There exists thieves and prostitutes because of the fear of life. The aspirants flee and part from the real Path because of fear. Frontiers, documents and restrictions of all types, which interrupt the journeys of people, are due to fear. Fear is the cause of thousands of personal and collective conflicts."
- Samael Aun Weor, The Pistis Sophia Unveiled
"On each side of the pentagram, at the level of the waist, two Hebrew words are written. On the left is written pechad (פחד), which means fear. Pechad is related with the left column of the Tree of Life, with Geburah, justice. Pechad means that you have to fear the laws, that is, to fear Geburah, the justice of God.
"It does not mean that you have to be afraid of God.
"It means that you have to comprehend those laws and apply them, and to be afraid of not performing them, because if you do not perform them, you do not Self-realize yourself, you do not acquire that microcosmic star within you. Thus, pechad is that kind of fear."
"This is why pechad (פחד) is close to the sexual organs, to the omega. When you are performing transmutation, you are afraid, cautious, of not losing the sexual force that you evoked and placed in your sexual organs. Usually, people lose that force, and it is because they are not interested in (Dagaz) the transformation of their psyche, or the acquisition of the realization of their Inner Being within themselves. Only those who want to Self-realize their Inner Being are interested in the transmutation of that fire that descends into the sexual organs."
We learned that is it prohibited for a man to look at the beauty of a woman to prevent him from acquiring bad thoughts and being torn into another thing, meaning that a drop of semen will be torn from him in vain.
Originally posted by Tryptych
In more earthly terms, the idea that one should shut his/her eyes from the surrounding stimulations (sexy women/men) sounds quite absurd to me. Also, recent studies has shown that orgasm is actually HEALTHY and that holding back fornication messes up the nervous system. It's simply not natural. And that's what it feels like.
Originally posted by Tryptych
I actually represent the school of though that one should experience with sex, do whatever he/she feels like sexually. That leads to healthy development of the sexual identity, which leads to more healthy individual. Holding back (and being embarrassed of) your sexual desires/nature has caused a lot of problems.
Many things in sexual development are just phases. Avoiding them could (and usually does) just lead to anxiety.
"There are two capital things in our Gnostic studies:
"First, to remember ourselves, that is to say, to remember our own Being and second, the relaxation of the body.
"To remember oneself and to relax the body is something that we have to do constantly."
- Samael Aun Weor
I think the key issue is not to give in to the "lower" desires, means lust. To my experience, that drops the vibrational frequency of the individual and slows down the rise of the resonance that (to my experience) is the nature of higher states. Theres nothing really wrong about that, it's like tumbling down the stairs and having to start all over.
"Those who sometimes observe chastity and occasionally fornicate practice Grey Tantra:
"They do not achieve anything in these studies. Grey Tantra was symbolized in Greek mythology by Sisyphus, who after struggling intensely to raise the boulder of sex upon a hill, would subsequently drop it down to the bottom again. If you want to raise the sexual energy of Yesod to the mount of your skull, you must never drop it. To do so is to lose all your previous work."
"Exactly. If, as Sisyphus, you throw the stone to the bottom of the hill, you wil lose everything.
"But if, on your way up to the Mount of the Skull (Golgotha) you slip and lose your footing, you will be set back to a minor degree. All of this has to do with the amount of energy and intention you place behind your actions. As Samael Aun Weor wrote, "Wherever we direct attention we expend creative energy." This axiom is essential to the Alchemical science."
Originally posted by TryptychOh yeah, OT: I think that a lot the esoteric thinking should update itself to the current Space Age that currently starting. After all, it will be the future, since cutting-edge science is starting to reveal the secrets that is connecting this stuff and hard science. It really is "Synthesis of Science & Religion".
A teaching about:
The "science" of the Antichrist
"The "I" is in reference to the ego. Kether, however is not the ego.
"Yes we all need to have our semantics straight: within these forums, the "I" is the ego, the psychological aggreates, Legion.... As it is stated within the book of Samael Aun Weor.
"While it is nice to think, "we are kether. now." It is another thing to be conscious within the sphere of Kether. Of course we are Kether, we are the Microcosmos. To "become" Kether (whatever that means) that is not the agenda. The agenda is to become conscious within Kether.
"That is more than saying, "I am one with God. I am enlightened." I hear that type of talk a lot when I talk to people over the internet about New Age topics. Obviously, ths is because the ego likes to believe it is God. Nevertheless, it is wrong to say "we are kether" without a full qualification of what that means, for it implies that a theoretical application will make what was previously not real, to become real. That of course does not work. If it did, we would all be enlightened and Earth would be a physical paradise.
"Yes one Kether is another Malkuth upon the Four Worlds, but we are speaking about Kether of Atziluth, as the synthetic Tree of Life uses that as its Kether.
"I asked someone who said they were enlightened how many atoms composed the computer he was typing at. He responded to me making a comment that knowing the number of atoms has nothing to do with enlightenment. Obviously, that man was not enlightened, and became very agitated about that fact.
"If we were conscious within Kether, then, we would be within the Logos (Multiple Unity), and we would not be having this conversation because we would already be conscious of each others experiences."
Gnostic Radio lecture: The Heart Doctrine
Now bend thy head and listen well, O Bodhisattva -- Compassion speaks and saith: "Can there be bliss when all that lives must suffer? Shalt thou be saved and hear the whole world cry?"
Now thou hast heard that which was said. Thou shalt attain the seventh step and cross the gate of final knowledge but only to wed woe -- if thou would'st be Tathagata, follow upon thy predecessor's steps, remain unselfish till the endless end. Thou art enlightened -- Choose thy way.
Originally posted by NewAgeMan
reply to post by Tryptych
Question: How much sorrow can the joy of realization bear..?