Can China Invade Taiwan?, page 9
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reply posted on 5-9-2004 @ 08:15 AM by VictorWoo
let me correct some of your naive errors:
1st. Invade?
you should say Reoccupy

2nd.US,China,Taiwan are juxtapose ?
even George Bush recognizes there is one-China, Taiwan is a part of China.

3rd. I can't find a word "ChiCom" in my dictionary , can you explain for me ?

4th. "scorched earth policy" is only considered by the layman of war. Even if ....

5th.It's the BIGGEST joke that China will give up the soil because of losing trade partner.By contraries, US. is afraid of losing the biggest market of China.There is no need to hurt the trade benifit and draw the sword to China.
Originally posted by FredT
With all the talk about about the US, China, and Taiwan one really has to look at the simple fact. China cannot invade at this time.

Why?
1) China lacks the amphibious capacity to move enough troops over
2) Any attempt to airlift in the necessary equipment/troops would in all likelyhood be decimated by Taiwans Pac 2's and thier AF.
3) For all thier thugary, the ChiCom leadership seems to understand that in order to take over Taiwan they would in essence have to burn it down. If they are persuing a scorched earth policy, then there may not be much the US or Taiwan can do to stop them. However, I think they want and need to keep Taiwan viable for thier own economy. Can you imagine the efficiency of slave labor coupled to the quality controll and moderinzation that Taiwan posseses?????
4) The US would not stand by and allow Taiwan to be taken by conventional means. Aside from being a great customer from our planes and weapons systems we also benifit from an economic/industrial standpoint.
5) China can sabre rattle all they want, but can they affort to piss off thier most important trading partner the US?




reply posted on 5-9-2004 @ 08:48 AM by FredT
Originally posted by VictorWoo
"Chinese Communists"'s short cut is CCP, "ChiCom" is a home-made word


Sigh....
members.a1above.net...@surfbest.net/
www.worldtechtribune.com...
www.orwelltoday.com...

Is that enough references or should I post some more?

While you feel a scorched earth policy is "layman" countries do not keep those cobalt jackets around to make a fashion statement

sorry i don't catch your meaning
Cobalt Jackets are placed around nuclear weapons. The cobal poisons the land and makes it unusable for centuries. A modern version of salting the earth.

Several posters have made a clear case that China has no claim on Taiwan, read those posts then reply.

*1st. "Several posters's conclusion" can't delegate the final conclusion.

Ah, but they backed up those 'conclutions" with historical evidence etc. Can you do the same?


reply posted on 5-9-2004 @ 09:12 AM by VictorWoo
Originally posted by FredT

Sigh....
members.a1above.net...@surfbest.net/
www.worldtechtribune.com...
www.orwelltoday.com...

Is that enough references or should I post some more?

still the idiom "a frog in the bottom of well can only see a little part of world."
i may count more than you if you want.
you should notice the Asian site. because it's NOT of westen bussiness.
so, westen site stands for their own benifits, which can't delegate the whole world's, even the Chinese.

Cobalt Jackets are placed around nuclear weapons. The cobal poisons the land and makes it unusable for centuries. A modern version of salting the earth.

yes China hold the NU weapon, but mean time, China promise, Never take the lead in using nuclear weapon, unless facing the foreign army's agression. so American don't be afraid Taiwan to be scorched earth, unless US. army involved again.

Ah, but they backed up those 'conclutions" with historical evidence etc. Can you do the same?

pity that few American recognized it's the extend of the China's civil war.
in 1949,China liberates. Jieshi Jiang and his rest of Kuomintang retreat in defeat and escaped to the island Taiwan. And it becomes China's rest problem.
In the following history, CCP tried to reoccupy our land. the war break out. The 17th armada of US. navy entered the Taiwan strait and stimied our liberate.
So, can American give an answer to why fight with China ?
And , why don't China has the right to reoccupy our land ?


reply posted on 5-9-2004 @ 10:34 AM by FredT
Originally posted by VictorWoo
So, can American give an answer to why fight with China ?
And , why don't China has the right to reoccupy our land ?


Again, if you read through the thread, and I suggest this one as well:
www.abovetopsecret.com...

The Taiwanese are no longer Chinese andy more than the foundign fathers of the US were British. they have thier own culture, thier own identity. If China invades, the US will come to her aid along with other countries. But that is best covered in the other thread.

The point of this thread was: Does China have the capacity to Invade Taiwan at this time



reply posted on 5-9-2004 @ 11:43 AM by wrtworthy
Can China re-take twain?

This question is being asked in many Western countries at the moment, the main reason for this is because of the consequences could lead to a third world war?

China has repeated stated that if twain goes ahead with its calling for independence, then it will be forced to re-take twain, despite if this meant suffering in their economy and even losing the Olympic games in 2008, In April 2003 when US forces invaded IRAQ, Chinese Generals proposed that china should invade while America is distracted. This was rejected but the fear is still there.

So hypertehcial, China announces its going to re-unite twain with china, this is going to be in the form of tactical missiles strikes against twain base’s, followed by an amphibious landing of Chinese tanks and troops, Once Chinese forces are on the Island, there is nothing that could be done to stop the forces from taking Twain, this is due to the fact that China has an army of more then 2m and Thousands more tanks, Planes, etc the one thing you may get is another Chechnya, with gorilla warfare being mounted against Chinese troops.

The problem is for the Chinese, I don’t think they could do it (in terms of military, not political) first of all, U.S has been surrounding China with the Missile Defence programme, EU, Australia, Japan etc, slowly a ring is being formed around China, therefore if the Chinese was to use a Missile strike to open the war, they would be shot down, also would like to use the fact that the US has developed Laser Technology that shoots down incoming missiles, which they sell to twain and other Allies.

Ships and troop movements, In the cold war, American had a problem in the fact that any advance into Berlin, There was not enough US forces to stop the Huge Russian army, American needed a way to slow down Russian Army movements in order to get forces from America to the EU, They would slow down the Russian forces with Aircraft and bombers, This is why the US spends so much money on aircraft and has the best aircraft in the world, so that they could slow down advancing armies, the same tactic would be used against china, American would take out Chinese ships, Aircraft carries, Transport Boats before they would even reach Twain, and to be honest I think any Air-war between China and the US, The US would win simply because they have the better Aircraft.

Ok, just say the Chinese actually do get onto Twain, (after getting heavy casualties from US planes) China Would not be able to fund a such a war, first of all, Chinese forces would be getting pounded from the air, having gorilla attacks against troops and having tanks smashed by US tanks, China is having major problems in terms of providing heath care for its Civilian Population, a slight outbreaks cause China to suffer with outrougues consequences, a war in which thousands of Chinese troops are wounded, could they provide the healthcare? No, which means the death rate would be very high and would have political implications, second of all, US forces have gone into Iraq and its cost the US more then $130 BILLION, and that’s to fight a third rate army, can china be able to spend the same amount on a war?


China could take Twain but would suffer heavily and it would become a another Chechnya, While the rest of the world would put trade blocks are China and screw over Chinese economy, so china might win the battle but by moving against Twain could cost china the second cold war before its fully started.
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