Air Force Fighter Jet Missing in Alaska

reply to post by Pervius


Hmm well thats funny because I worked on Andersen AFB Guam at the time of the incidents And was on duty when the B2 went down. Funny thing is im fine and so are all the people I worked with, hell its the first time i've ever heard someone even mention suffering from the crash aftermath. Plus im pretty sure you were no where near the crash unless you are SF or a first response personnel. The Airforce base responded ASAP to the HAZMAT danger to minimize any injuries and the reason they locked down the base when they did is because its a part of the Emergency Response Checklist they have for when somthing like that happens. No one forced you out-side and said go breath some Boron, plus an FPCON went out to limit movement to only Emergency personnel at the time of the crash and only release non EM personnel when the risk of exposure was minimized. What it sounds like is you decided you were ready to mooch off the Goverment and filed for all your benifits must be great to talk crap about a Military installation and the evil US goverment but you have no problem going to work for them and collecting a paycheck and benifits.

Originally posted by Rhadamanthus


Ok first off I do not think this is normal at all. Jets simply do not vanish especially when they are of the military type.

I haven't read the entire thread, so pardon me if someone has already said this, but having lived in Alaska (specifically, both Fairbanks and Anchorage), I can assure you, it is VERY easy for something even as large as a fighter jet to become lost on the tundra west of Elmendorf AFB, not to mention Knik Arm, Eagle Bay, and the ocean are all very, very close to Anchorage and Elmendorf. Whose to say it didn't just crash into the ocean?

reply to post by gatorboi117


yeah for real, that is a stealth fast mover, the 1st (publicly known) of its kind, that's just ridiculous for it to just be lost, anyone remember the movie "behind enemy lines" even the pilot's seat has a tracking device, so that's nearly impossible for one of the military's most expensive piece of machinery to have just vanished. i bet the pilot was paid off by russian spies to learn every location of the tracking devices and remove them upon arrival landing in russia for the plane to be reverse-engineered so they know exactly what we are working with.

Originally posted by wisintel
reply to post by Now_Then

 

Actually from Alaska, if I'm not mistaken, it would be a pretty short flight to Russia?

Alaska is a very big state. Its a short flight to Russian territory from the western most point...but still quite a long distance from Anchorage to any Russian airport

Originally posted by breemtameem
reply to post by gatorboi117

 

yeah for real, that is a stealth fast mover, the 1st (publicly known) of its kind, that's just ridiculous for it to just be lost, anyone remember the movie "behind enemy lines" even the pilot's seat has a tracking device, so that's nearly impossible for one of the military's most expensive piece of machinery to have just vanished. i bet the pilot was paid off by russian spies to learn every location of the tracking devices and remove them upon arrival landing in russia for the plane to be reverse-engineered so they know exactly what we are working with.

Tell us you are not actually bringing up a movie as evidence for what happens in real life???

Originally posted by firepilot
Tell us you are not actually bringing up a movie as evidence for what happens in real life???

In his defense, very little of what's discussed on ATS happens in real life.

reply to post by VneZonyDostupa

my star to you clearly logical consideration w\o superfluously useleZZ conspiracy by the way,VneZonyDostupa, curious nick

Originally posted by susp3kt
I'll be the first to propose this idea.

Could this be a case of defection?

Times are getting tough. I'm sure some country would pay greatly for the aircraft so it can be back-engineered.

... I am sorry defection from the U.S?... To where? China?... Russia?... Are you kidding me?

Seriously, some people need to think a bit before they post...

This event could be really serious. If there had been any malfunctions the pilot would have called for a mayday, but since the press report says nothing about any distress calls it is very possible that this plane was shot down by some nation.

Remember that Russia made an announcement a couple years back that the Arctic belongs to them, or at least most of it, and Alaska is a bit close to the Arctic, so it is very possible that this pilot could have seen something strange and gone to investigate and got shot down.

There is another possibility. I know a lot of people, more so those who really have no military experience in aircraft, and in missile technology are claiming the "missile" off the coast of California was just a plane, but I differ with that claim, and so do many other military experts, including at least one Russian military expert.

This event could be tied with the event of the missile launched off a submarine off the coast of California.

Yes, there is also the possibility that the pilot just flew into the side of a mountain and didn't have time for a mayday report/distress call.

reply to post by VneZonyDostupa


If there had been any malfunctions the pilot would have made a distress call, but there is no mention of any distress calls.

These planes normally fly very high, so if there had been an electrical, or other hardware malfunction the pilot would have made a distress call, and we would have known about it.

This could be really serious, and could very well be tied with the missile event off the coast of California.

I just hope that the pilot is ok, as long as he is not another anti-American who thinks more about money than about his nation.

I am sorry but imo it is very unlikely that this pilot "defected to the Russians"....

I mean really, most U.S. pilots are officers and they get paid handsomely, more than in any other nation...

reply to post by Cosmic.Artifact


She may have meant deflection, as in doing this to avoid where it really went and for whatever reason...

I have now read the whole thread and it is a sad state of affairs when members rush to the CT side of something as common as an airplane crash which is always a tragedy. I hope the pilot will be found alive and well, it is probably not a reality in the harsh environment he went down in but one can always hope and pray.

His family must be going through hell. He or she must have been so full of life to have the chance to fly something so intense, this is sad.

Originally posted by Enthropy
According to BeforeItsNews.com:

______beforeitsnews/story/269/862/China_shoots_down_F22_over_Alaska.html

So now a Canadian yet too, interesting site.
Cold war with the Chinese, I'm sick of wars.

Face it, start a max of 2 kids a person program and start fixing the world.

reply to post by EartOccupant


There is some truth to this. A Canadian CF-18 Hornet fighter jet crashed in a field on November 17, which was yesterday.

The pilot safely ejected but they are not saying anything about how, or why the jet crashed.

This is really getting strange. The American fighter jet crashed on Tuesday, and the Canadian aircraft jet crashed on Wednesday.

Two fighter planes, an American and a Canadian both crashed within a day of each crash and authorities can't, or won't say why they crashed...

There should have been at least an initial report, but they seem to be keeping quiet about the causes of the crashes.

Winnipeg, Man. – At approximately 11:45 p.m. MST on November 17, a CF-18 Hornet fighter jet crashed in a field approximately 13 kilometers northwest of 4 Wing Cold Lake, Alta.

The pilot, Captain Darren Blakie of 409 Tactical Fighter Squadron, successfully ejected from the aircraft and was taken to hospital upon being recovered. He is in good condition and is being released from hospital.

The exact cause of the crash is unknown at this time. The Directorate of Flight Safety has begun an investigation into the crash.

www.aviationnews.eu...

Lost.....not lol.
Ask NORAD Alaska. That's what they're 'there' for.




no?

Hope the pilot is ok and gets rescued. Wonder what made it crash though.

What if the crash site was staged and the aircraft never crashed at'all?
An F22 has a unique air signature so if there's a 'hot' one on the loose.
NORAD will see it.
I'm concerned about who's at the 'controls'.

Paranoid, heightened awareness.
Folks could call it what they like.
Most are unaware that hundreds of US fighter aircraft have been 'delivered' off the books.
9/11 dealed and sealed the evidence.
They were 'right' on tArget.

All this 'stuff' is coming out soon anyhow.
A detailed audit needs to be performed within the Pentagon for the money trail will reveal it's blood.

S.A. P.A.

Pilot confirmed killed in Alaska fighter jet crash

(Reuters) - The Air Force confirmed on Friday that the pilot of a fighter jet that crashed in Alaska earlier this week during a nighttime training mission perished in the accident.

Air Force officials initially had held out hope that the pilot of the F-22 Raptor, Captain Jeffrey Haney, might have ejected from the plane and survived Tuesday night's crash.

"Based on evidence recovered from the crash site, and after two days of extensive aerial and ground search efforts, we know that Captain Haney did not eject from the aircraft prior to impact," Colonel Jack McMullen, commander of the Air Force 3rd Wing at Joint Base Elmendorf-Richardson, said in a statement.

www.reuters.com...

Missing F-22 pilot identified

11/18/2010 - JOINT BASE ELMENDORF-RICHARDSON, Alaska -- The pilot of the F-22 aircraft that crashed Tuesday night has been identified as Capt. Jeffrey Haney, assigned to the 525th Fighter Squadron. Capt. Haney's current status is missing.

The aircraft lost contact with air traffic control at 7:40 p.m. Alaska time Tuesday, while on a nighttime training mission. Search and rescue teams discovered the wreckage of the F-22, assigned to the 3rd Wing at Joint Base Elmendorf-Richardson, Wednesday at 10:15 a.m.

www.jber.af.mil...

F-22 pilot missing since Tuesday night plane crash in Alaska identified as Capt. Jeffrey Haney, formerly of Jackson County


Haney, 31, has been in the Air Force for about five years, Viane said. He graduated from Columbia Central High School in 1997 and went to flight school at Western Michigan University.

He did his first pilot training at the Jackson County Airport, Viane said.
Haney is one of the Air Force's best pilots, Viane said. "Top of the class, as they say."

He is to eventually be an F-22 fighter jet instructor, Viane said.

Haney is stationed at Joint Base Elmendorf-Richardson in Anchorage. His wife and children lived off the base, Viane said.

www.mlive.com...

So we had one of the best pilots in the air force, a father of two, get accused of being a defector. It's a disgrace.

Hmmm... What kind of hazardous Materials are on a F-22 that would require protective haz-mat suits for the search and recovery crews

Not sure exactly what requires hazmat suits. I know the radar is made from Gallium arsenide which is carcinogenic, and bits of carbon fiber are probably very bad to breath in. I don't think Depleted Uranium is used on the F-22 and I doubt a nuclear weapon would be on board. The F-22 can drop bombs although it is primarily an air to air fighter, and it was probably a training flight where real weapons are not loaded.

Yeah seriously, there is a family out there grieving the loss of a father and husband, and some of you were tossing our the most ludicrous cooked up allegations and conspiracies, and posting how maybe he defected, or coming up with some sinister plot that would be so far fetched as to stretch any kind of reality.

besides, it won't have enough fuel to go anywhere cept canada, maybe.

The pilot was found dead in the wreckage! Jeff H. died when the jet he was piloting crashed.

This is a sad closure on this terrible disaster.

RIP Jeff H.