Woman's head stepped on by Rand Paul supporters

Originally posted by SevenBeans

If you attempt to approach a prominent political figure while acting like a lunatic you can expect to be stopped.

It was a stupid, immature stunt and she knew exactly what would happen.

Nothing to do with having a different view etc. etc.

Untill we know who the guys were that steped on her I would be inclined to think the thing was staged. Looked like big time wrestling.

Originally posted by whatukno
reply to post by Prove_It_NOW

 

7) The Tea Party does not endorse "stepping on heads as theirs"

I don't know about # 7 here, I think personally that the TPM does in fact endorse stepping on heads as a major part of their party platform. This is evidenced by the many many posts in this thread that defend the person stomping on the woman.

It appears that assaulting a subdued female is actually a part of the TEA Party platform. I actually believe that it is a component of the TPM platform. Along with other fascist principals like the destruction of the 1st, 4th, 13th, and 14th Amendments to the United States Constitution. A platform that also includes the public calls for killing Americans by TWO candidates in this election.

As far as the article headline, it wasn't my headline, I copied and pasted it directly from the article in the OP.

Again, more punditry from you. Reminiscent of anything Madow, Olbermann, Limbaugh, Hannity, Mathews can do for us.

Your generalizations are wide. So a few posters here defend this guy for their own reasons, and to you that is support for your generalization that this is somehow the "Tea Party M.O.". I didn't know the Tea Party was here at ATS...in this thread....all collectively represented.


Fascist principles?

CORRECT...as are the Fascist principles of all of Government nowadays. Which Fascism do you prefer? Coming from Coke, or Pepsi? Sounds like you like Pepsi more. Drink up.

Things are going exactly as planned and your comments are proof of social programming and vague generalizations resting in the minds of the average voter. And you're at the TOP of the knowledge chain just by the fact you are here at ATS.

Now imagine the effect this has on the ignorant in our society that just watch 'news' on their TV sets.


Whoa boy,......we're ruined as a society. Enjoy the ride.

Any person with common sense wouldn't attempt to rush a politician for any reason. Anyone who acts like that would be considered a threat to the politicians life, and would be dealt with appropriately.

reply to post by Blackmarketeer

Originally posted by Blackmarketeer

Originally posted by gladtobehere

Does Rand Paul lack integrity? He faked his medical certification, bypassing his states medical board certification to practice optometry, making him a bonafide quake doctor.

Please provide a source.

I take it you mean "quack"?

5 seconds on Google would have given you that answer, search "Rand Paul Medical Certification". He created his own certification board (rather than complying with his states) then rubber-stamped himself as certified.

In the short time I've been on these forums, I find it troubling that there is so much misinformation and with it, a lack of desire or fortitude to research or investigate...

You stated previously that he "faked his medical certification, bypassing his states medical board certification to practice optometry, making him a bonafide quake doctor."

Allow me to enlighten you with regards to being "Board Certified".

First off...

A graduate of the Duke University School of Medicine, Paul has been a practicing ophthalmologist in Bowling Green, Kentucky, since 1993, and established his own clinic in December 2007.

Paul specializes in corneal transplants, glaucoma surgery, and LASIK,[14] and began offering sutureless DSEK corneal transplantation in 2007.[17]

en.wikipedia.org...

Rand Paul is an MD, a Doctor of Medicine ie Medical Doctor. He is licensed by the state of Kentucky to not only practice medicine (ie prescribe prescription medications) but to also perform surgeries.

His Kentucky state issued license to practice medicine as an MD can be found here:

Kentucky Board of Medical Licensure

Now, as far as being Board Certified, it is an ADDITIONAL certification that SOME Doctors voluntarily acquire. "Board Certification" was developed by the American Board Of Medical Specialties:

American Board of Ophthalmology

HOWEVER, Rand Paul did obtain his American Board of Ophthalmology certification by passing their exams and paying their fees.

I took the American Board of Ophthalmology (the largest governing body in ophthalmology) boards in 1995, passed them on my first attempt (as well as three times during residency), and was therefore board-certified under this organization for a decade.

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Dr. Rand Paul, MD, objected to the idea of having to pay money to a private consortium in exchange for obtaining a label of "Board Certified". As such, he founded his own organization.

In 1997, I, along with 200 other young ophthalmologists formed the National Board of Ophthalmology to protest the American Board of Ophthalmology's decision to grandfather in the older ophthalmologists and not require them to recertify.

In forming NBO, the younger ophthalmologists agreed to require recertification for all ophthalmologists.

Is it fair that the ophthalmologist down the street can claim board certification, without renewing it, but that a younger ophthalmologist, who passed the same boards, is disallowed?

This is the kind of hypocritical power play that I despise and have always fought against.

In summary, he faked nothing, bypassed nothing and was even Board Certified by the ABMS before forming his own consortium with 200 other Doctors.

Good? Great!

Rand Paul's Medical Certification Challenged

(June 15) -- Senate candidate Rand Paul of Kentucky calls himself a "career doctor," but his certification is not recognized by the American Medical Association.

But those medical credentials are in question after a report from The Courier-Journal in Louisville, Ky., found that Paul is not certified by the American Board of Ophthalmology, the most well-known group in the profession. Instead, Paul is certified by the National Board of Ophthalmology, a group he formed in 1997 to protest a policy disagreement with the ABO. His group is not recognized by the American Medical Association.

The AMA group requires re-certification every 10 years. Doesn't seem like too much to ask of a DOCTOR does it?

Boot on neck of corporations....nah! Boot on neck of citizens....necessary! Achtung!

When my German friends recognize their past in this incident, they send a warning about our future.

reply to post by Blackmarketeer

Originally posted by Blackmarketeer
Rand Paul's Medical Certification Challenged

(June 15) -- Senate candidate Rand Paul of Kentucky calls himself a "career doctor," but his certification is not recognized by the American Medical Association.

But those medical credentials are in question after a report from The Courier-Journal in Louisville, Ky., found that Paul is not certified by the American Board of Ophthalmology, the most well-known group in the profession. Instead, Paul is certified by the National Board of Ophthalmology, a group he formed in 1997 to protest a policy disagreement with the ABO. His group is not recognized by the American Medical Association.

The AMA group requires re-certification every 10 years. Doesn't seem like too much to ask of a DOCTOR does it?

Getting a bit off topic from your original post. You stated that Rand Paul is a "'quake' Doctor that bypassed his own state's laws and certified himself." All of which is incorrect and could not be further from the truth, as I documented above.

He is an MD, licensed by the state of Kentucky and was even Board Certified by the same organization which he is being criticized for not belonging to.

You seem to be confusing some issues here. The American Medical Association does not recognize the National Board of Ophthalmology. The re-testing certification is a requirement of the American Board of Ophthalmology. The American Board of Ophthalmology has a testing requirement UNLESS you are grandfathered in; this was one of the main objections by Rand Paul and other Doctors.

Why should the new members be required to constantly re-test and re-pay while the older members are exempt? This was one of the reasons why he and 200 other Doctors formed the National Board of Ophthalmology.

In response to your outrage over the testing requirements of Medical Boards , the National Board of Ophthalmology requires testing of ALL the Doctors, the American Board of Ophthalmology does not.

In forming the NBO, the younger ophthalmologists agreed to require re-certification for all ophthalmologists.

Is it fair that the ophthalmologist down the street can claim board certification, without renewing it, but that a younger ophthalmologist, who passed the same boards, is disallowed?

This is the kind of hypocritical power play that I despise and have always fought against. It reminds me of congress passing health care legislation but exempting themselves from their own laws. I protested to the ABO, as did many other younger doctors. This is when I came up with the idea of creating a competitor to the ABO, and formed a new organization, the National Board of Ophthalmology. Keep in mind that neither of these groups have anything to do with medical licensure, which is handled by the state boards.

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reply to post by whatukno


Isn't this the Jack Conway Conspiracy? His brother was given 2 days warning from the 'Police' about an upcoming drug raid on himself. The quote was 'whatever you're doing you have 2 days to get cleaned up.' The Rand Paul incident is just a distraction, as the OP is trying to convince you. Don't believe the hype. Wake up and look around. Don't take the trolls' (not saying the OP is a troll ) advice here for anything.

Crooks and Liars:
Rand Paul isn't into being "Board Certified". Why bother when he can make up his own organization?

This man is a quack. The ABMS isn't a government agency that he's railing against because they want to control his life and it's not like he had to take a big test every year or so to keep his certification. It's every ten years. Isn't it nice that an organization formed to make sure opthamologists keep current with advancements in their field and know all about any new advancement?

The American Board of Medical Specialties said board certification is important because it enables "patients to determine whether their physicians were appropriately trained and knowledgeable in their specialties."

Instead he starts his own rival group "National Board of Ophthalmology."

He is listed as the group's president; his wife, Kelley, is listed as vice president; and his father-in-law is listed as secretary. Paul and his relatives receive no salaries from the organization, his campaign said.

Are you laughing yet? His family are the board members.

He then is completely dishonest. He knows what he's doing with his own practice.

In an interview with The Courier-Journal shortly before the May 18 Republican primary, which he won, Paul said he was certified by both ophthalmological boards.

A spokesman subsequently said that Paul misspoke because the question was unclear and he acknowledged his certification by the American Board had lapsed. There is no indication that Paul isn't qualified to practice ophthalmology, which he has done in Bowling Green since moving to Kentucky in 1993

Paul and his wife started this "NBO" to rubber-stamp his own certification, it's not some consortium of doctors. "And, if the American Board of Medical Specialties, the American Medical Association, the Kentucky Board of Medical Licensure and the American Academy of Ophthalmologists don't recognize Paul's National Board of Ophthalmology, exactly what are the standards required for certification by that board?"

So what should one conclude? That rules don't apply to him? If being medically certified to practice medicine was so un-important to him that he couldn't be bothered to comply with the AMA, Kentucky Board of Medical Licensure and the American Academy of Ophthalmologists rules, then why'd he feel the need to make up his own board and rubber-stamp himself as certified? Why bother with medical school in fact, diploma mills will print you a degree in just about anything.


Maybe what some of these tea-partiers like Paul don't realize is that there are un-intended consequences for your actions. Maybe he is medically fit to perform eye surgery and being board certified is just a nuisance. But what about some other doctor, his schools have diminished or never had them to begin with? Should we just let them go off and start their own certification board, rubber stamp themselves as fit, and then go off and hack someone up?

Would you consider the consequences of Paul's and other tea-partiers rhetoric and vitriol unintended? A woman shows up at a rally with a protest sign and shes tackled and head-stomped?

And here I am again to replace nouns and verbs to prove how asinine some of these "NOW YOU SEE THE TRUTH! EVERYONE WHO IS ASSOCIATED WITH ___________ IS EVIL!" sound.

Whatyuknow, you said.....

"Like I said before, it only took 19 people's act of aggression to paint all Muslims in a bad light, how many acts of aggression does it take before it's acceptable to call the TEA Party for what it really is: A fascist right wing movement hell bent on the destruction of American freedoms and the subjugation of everyones rights under a jack boot of oppression and intolerance?"

I say....

Like I said before, it only took 1 person's act of aggression to paint all Tea Party members in a bad light, how many acts of aggression does it take before it's acceptable to call the Muslim religion for what it really is: A fascist religious movement hell bent on the destruction of American freedoms and the subjugation of everyones rights under a jack boot of religious oppression and intolerance?

Or...

Like I said before, it only took 19 people's act of aggression to paint all Muslims in a bad light, how many acts of aggression does it take before it's acceptable to call the Democratic Party for what it really is: A communist movement hell bent on the destruction of American freedoms and the subjugation of everyones rights under a jack boot of socialist oppression and government control?

Or even....

Like I said before, it only took 19 people's act of aggression to paint all Muslims in a bad light, how many acts of aggression does it take before it's acceptable to call White people for what it they really are: fascist racists hell bent on the destruction of American freedoms and the subjugation of every other race's rights under a jack boot of racial oppression and intolerance?

In my opinion, you should really create small minded, over-generalizing Mad Libs. I'm sure you could find many, many possible customers here lately....

Try to remember, Deny Ignorance.

Originally posted by Logarock

Originally posted by SevenBeans

If you attempt to approach a prominent political figure while acting like a lunatic you can expect to be stopped.

It was a stupid, immature stunt and she knew exactly what would happen.

Nothing to do with having a different view etc. etc.

Untill we know who the guys were that steped on her I would be inclined to think the thing was staged. Looked like big time wrestling.

We do know.
Mike Pezzano held her and Tim Profitt stomped.

And you are of course right: What was she thinking, not moving her head away when Profitt stepped down?

Hey I got a new political poster I just thought up for Rand Paul!

[atsimg]http://files.abovetopsecret.com/images/member/db0c6f79d8a5.jpg[/atsimg]



There ya go!

like i said and ill say it again, the actions of these people putting this old woman on the ground say NOTHING about rand paul. get it through your thick skulls and stop practicing ambush journalism for once!

were already sick of what the democrats and osama did, so just leave it at that and try to let some progress be made?! talk about a troll stampede!

it seems like nobody wants to look at the bigger picture these days, just bumper stickers

YOU GUYS MAKE ME SICK

Originally posted by whatukno

There you have it folks, the "freedom" that the TEA Party wants to give you.

Oh boy...another one trying to label as evil every Rand Paul, or "tea party" members, and even Republicans as evil for the actions OF ONE MAN...

what a deutch bag...

Originally posted by whatukno

Have a dissenting opinion? Get your head stepped on. I believe this sums up the radical right wingers perfectly.

She didn't have a disenting opinion, she went in rushing through people, pushing them aside. I guess to liberals as yourself that is "peacefully trying to express your opinions"....

The man who stepped on her head went too far, that is granted, but even one of the Rand suporers says clearly "no-no-no" and tries to push the leg of the man who stepped on the woman's head...

But I guess to liberals that's being "an evil person"...

Get a life...

Originally posted by whatukno
There ya go!

OMG LOOK AT WHATUKNO'S AVATAR, HE WANTS TO EAT BRAINS APPARENTLY!!!!

You people need to grow up.

reply to post by ElectricUniverse

he man who stepped on her head went too far, that is granted, but even one of the Rand suporers says clearly "no-no-no" and tries to push the leg of the man who stepped on the woman's head...

He probably only did that so that he could show him how a real head stomping is done. Thankfully it wasn't a TPM Protest or they might have actually lynched her. Or thrown her on a stack of burning Korans.

Oh and BTW: MMMM Brainzzzzzzz

reply to post by Blackmarketeer

Originally posted by Blackmarketeer
Crooks and Liars:
Rand Paul isn't into being "Board Certified". Why bother when he can make up his own organization?

First and foremost, one has to conclude that your original comments were a deliberate attempt to smear or were simply made without having done much research.

Originally posted by Blackmarketeer
He faked his medical certification, bypassing his states medical board certification to practice optometry, making him a bonafide quake doctor.

Your statement above implies that Dr. Rand Paul, M.D., is some type of self appointed medicine man who is operating outside the scope of law or traditional medical practices.

The following bears repeating:

A graduate of the Duke University School of Medicine, Paul has been a practicing ophthalmologist in Bowling Green, Kentucky, since 1993, and established his own clinic in December 2007.

Paul specializes in corneal transplants, glaucoma surgery, and LASIK,[14] and began offering sutureless DSEK corneal transplantation in 2007.[17]

en.wikipedia.org...

From the above, we know that Dr. Paul was accepted by and graduated from a well known medical school and has been practicing medicine in Kentucky since 1993.

We also know that he is licensed by the state of Kentucky to legally practice medicine, not the least of which is performing surgeries.

Kentucky Board of Medical Licensure

Now to re-address your concerns about his “medical certification”. First off, the state does not board certify any Doctor so to say that he “bypassed his states medical board certification to practice optometry” is simply inaccurate. Second of all, he is not an Optometrist (someone qualified to administer eye exams aka Optometry), he is an Ophthalmologist, a Medical Doctor who can prescribe prescription medication and perform surgeries. Finally, there is absolutely no requirement of any kind to be “Board Certified”. According to this source, only 40% of Doctors in the United States are “Board Certified”:

Only 40 percent of the doctors in the U.S. are “Board Certified”

However, all of this notwithstanding, he was Board Certified by the same organization which he is being criticized for not belonging to:

I took the American Board of Ophthalmology (the largest governing body in ophthalmology) boards in 1995, passed them on my first attempt (as well as three times during residency), and was therefore board-certified under this organization for a decade.

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At this point, there should be no doubt that Rand Paul, MD is an authentic medical doctor legally licensed to practice medicine in the state of Kentucky and has been doing so for 17 years. He was also Board Certified by that very organization which seems to be the primary cause of your anguish.

You also seem quite upset that he would start a rival organization.

Originally posted by Blackmarketeer
This man is a quack. The ABMS isn't a government agency that he's railing against because they want to control his life and it's not like he had to take a big test every year or so to keep his certification. It's every ten years. Isn't it nice that an organization formed to make sure opthamologists keep current with advancements in their field and know all about any new advancement?

You are incorrect here. The ABMS does not require re-certification if you are “grand-fathered” in. This was one of Dr. Paul’s criticisms of this organization. Unlike the National Board of Ophthalmology which requires ALL of its members to re-certify.

In forming the NBO, the younger ophthalmologists agreed to require re-certification for all ophthalmologists.

Is it fair that the ophthalmologist down the street can claim board certification, without renewing it, but that a younger ophthalmologist, who passed the same boards, is disallowed?

voices.washingtonpost.com...

Originally posted by Blackmarketeer
This man is a quack. The ABMS isn't a government agency that he's railing against because they want to control his life and it's not like he had to take a big test every year or so to keep his certification. It's every ten years. Isn't it nice that an organization formed to make sure opthamologists keep current with advancements in their field and know all about any new advancement?[/

Paul and his wife started this "NBO" to rubber-stamp his own certification

If being medically certified to practice medicine was so un-important to him that he couldn't be bothered to comply with the AMA, Kentucky Board of Medical Licensure and the American Academy of Ophthalmologists rules,

Why bother with medical school in fact, diploma mills will print you a degree in just about anything.

Should we just let them go off and start their own certification board, rubber stamp themselves as fit, and then go off and hack someone up?

This is an incredible stretch. Comparing a Medical Doctor in Rand Paul to someone who conjures up a fraudulent stamp of approval that would, by some miracle, allow them to legally practice medicine... I am having a very difficult time believing that you are this outraged by the lack of a “medical certification” that is 100% voluntary and which 60% of American Doctors do not possess.

Furthermore, while you are criticizing Dr. Paul’s organization, you haven’t mentioned the obvious hypocrisy of the ABMS which does not require certain Doctors to re-certify. Does that sound like a responsible policy from such a well credentialed organization? And if certain Doctors are not required to re-certify, how does that in anyway reflect poorly on Dr. Paul, who has already been "Board Certified" (rhetorical question, obviously there's no difference).

This is the kind of hypocritical power play that I despise and have always fought against. It reminds me of congress passing health care legislation but exempting themselves from their own laws.

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At the end of the day, a great deal of effort has gone into this criticism of Rand Paul by his detractors. After a cursory review, we find that it has little or no legitimacy.

Originally posted by whatukno

He probably only did that so that he could show him how a real head stomping is done. Thankfully it wasn't a TPM Protest or they might have actually lynched her. Or thrown her on a stack of burning Korans.

Oh and BTW: MMMM Brainzzzzzzz

edit on 10/28/2010 by whatukno because: Just can't get a decent brain out of a Conservative these days.

No...he did that because he is a jackass, and the world has jackasses in all political parties, but of course someone like you, in this case a liberal, has to try to use what ONE MAN did to claim all Republicans, tea party members, and Rand Paul, or even Ron Paul suporters must be like this ONE MAN...

Give it up, you people have no real argument to offer hence you have to make up BS like this...

Originally posted by whatukno
reply to post by ModernAcademia

 

To say that because a volunteer commited an act of aggression paints the entire movement in a bad light is ridiculous.

Like I said before, it only took 19 people's act of aggression to paint all Muslims in a bad light, how many acts of aggression does it take before it's acceptable to call the TEA Party for what it really is: A fascist right wing movement hell bent on the destruction of American freedoms and the subjugation of everyones rights under a jack boot of oppression and intolerance?

The complaint that this is generalization has validity...in as much as calling Liberals "Anti-American" and Muslims terrorists does..Don't hate the player...hate the game...

What game?

Michelle Bachman Calls Liberals "Anti-American"
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Michele Bachmann Calls For Armed Revolution!
wonkette.com...

Michele Bachmann: I Want People "Armed And Dangerous"
www.huffingtonpost.com...

Beck's violent rhetoric keeps having real world consequences
mediamatters.org...

Palin Refuses to Back Down from Gun Rhetoric
www.cbsnews.com...

Politicians Worry About Paladino's "Violent" Talk"
gothamist.com...

A fringe Republican House candidate in Texas said Thursday that the armed overthrow of the government is "on the table."
www.politico.com...

Angle told an interviewer in January that Americans might seek "Second Amendment remedies" to their problems with government
www.politico.com...

Republican congressional hopeful Allen West..told activists they need to “make the fellow scared to come out of his house. That’s the only way that you’re going to win.
www.postonpolitics.com...

Beck has at times spoken against violence, but he more often forecasts it, warning that "it is only a matter of time before an actual crazy person really does something stupid." Most every broadcast has some violent imagery: "The clock is ticking. . . . The war is just beginning. . . . Shoot me in the head if you try to change our government. . . . You have to be prepared to take rocks to the head. . . . The other side is attacking. . . . There is a coup going on. . . . Grab a torch! . . . Drive a stake through the heart of the bloodsuckers. . . . They are taking you to a place to be slaughtered. . . . They are putting a gun to America's head. . . . Hold these people responsible."
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Late on a Saturday night two weeks ago, an unemployed carpenter packed his mother's Toyota Tundra with guns and set off for San Francisco with a plan to kill progressives.

When California Highway Patrol officers stopped him on an interstate in Oakland for driving erratically, Byron Williams, wearing body armor, fired at police with a 9mm handgun, a shotgun and a .308-caliber rifle with armor-piercing bullets, Oakland police say. Shot and captured after injuring two officers, Williams, on parole for bank robbery, told investigators that he wanted "to start a revolution" by "killing people of importance at the Tides Foundation and the ACLU," according to a police affidavit. His mother, Janice, told the San Francisco Chronicle that her son had been watching television news and was upset by "the way Congress was railroading through all these left-wing agenda items."

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This is the tea-party they don't want you to see:



Or maybe they do....I don't know...it's funny though.
Aqua Buddha would be displeased.