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No the man retains 100 percent power to decide whether HIS child ge s brought into the world
A man's reproductive rights:
Abstinence
Prophylactics
Vasectomy
Sex with wife
Sex with strangers
Unprotected sex
Prostitute sex
Older women who cannot get pregnant
Unless a man is coerced violently, the child he is wishing to not have was conceived freely utilizing the reproductive Rights he is entitled to under Law.
Abortion?
That falls under Reproductive CHOICE
Originally posted by hotbakedtater
No the man retains 100 percent power to decide whether HIS child ge s brought into the world and whether he has to pay for 18 years of dependent due to 18 second of delights.
Originally posted by Dark Ghost
reply to post by hotbakedtater
And that leaves which rights for men? Oh that's right, just one: the right not to have sex. I guess because the woman has to spend 9 months pregnant it means she should have 100% power to decide whether a child gets brought into the world and whether the father will need to pay 18 years of child support.
A man's reproductive rights:
Abstinence
Prophylactics
Vasectomy
Sex with wife
Sex with strangers
Unprotected sex
Prostitute sex
Older women who cannot get pregnant
lets dissect shall we:
Abstinence....ok even though unrealistic
Prophylactics...oh but if the condom bust sorry still sol
Vasectomy...again ok but unrealistic and chance of when he wants a child not being able to have one
Sex with wife....any pregnancy would still be at the whims of her
Sex with strangers.....same as above, condom breaking etc
Unprotected sex....ok
Prostitute sex.....ok, but I would venture same as all the other above
Older women who cannot get pregnant....true but what if a person is not attracted to that age group?
now look at women:
all of the above with the exception of prophalaytics plus:
birth control pills
IUD
Diaphragm
Depo shot
abortion
adoption
keeping the child
tubal ligation
if i missed any please add.
Now hmmmm yup no disparity there...none at all, everything is all nice and equal.
Lots of rights there besides abstinence.
But here is the Official Definition of Reproductive Rights, it is not Female or Male, it is just...Reproductive Rights, set forth by World Health Organization.
en.wikipedia.org...
"Reproductive Rights are legal rights and freedoms relating to reproduction and reproductive health.[1] The World Health Organisation defines reproductive rights as follows:
Reproductive rights rest on the recognition of the basic right of all couples and individuals to decide freely and responsibly the number, spacing and timing of their children and to have the information and means to do so, and the right to attain the highest standard of sexual and reproductive health. They also include the right of all to make decisions concerning reproduction free of discrimination, coercion and violence.[2]" (from above link)
Unless a man is coerced violently, the child he is wishing to not have was conceived freely utilizing the reproductive Rights he is entitled to under Law.
There is not one post here on this thread that has convinced me that any scenerio (bar illegal scenerios) infringes upon a male's Reproductive Rights as defined by WHO.
My reproductive rights are exactly the same as a males.
Abortion?
That falls under Reproductive CHOICE, and ones choices are always subjective to the person. In this case biology dictates different reproductive choices. Females do not have the choice of vasectomy. They do have the choice to have their tubes tied.
That is a lie, I have consisently reiterated the choices 'real women' all across the world have in thier bag of reproductive choices. Just because you may feel abortion is escaping responsibility doe snot make it true.
Originally posted by mayertuck
Originally posted by 27th Aquarius
A real man deals with his responsibility and the consequences of his actions!
So then what about a "real woman"
Notice I did not disagree with your posting, merely asked a question on something people do not want to talk about.
Originally posted by hotbakedtater
en.wikipedia.org...
Reproductive rights rest on the recognition of the basic right of all couples and individuals to decide freely and responsibly the number, spacing and timing of their children and to have the information and means to do so, and the right to attain the highest standard of sexual and reproductive health. They also include the right of all to make decisions concerning reproduction free of discrimination, coercion and violence.[2]"
Unless a man is coerced violently, the child he is wishing to not have was conceived freely utilizing the reproductive Rights he is entitled to under Law.
Abortion?
That falls under Reproductive CHOICE
Reproductive rights may include some or all of the following: the right to legal or safe abortion
Yes but the question remains, should a man have to Pay for his sperm deposits, when he knowingly deposits them inside a baby making factory, if the deposit produces dividends?
Originally posted by hotbakedtater
That is a lie, I have consisently reiterated the choices 'real women' all across the world have in thier bag of reproductive choices. Just because you may feel abortion is escaping responsibility doe snot make it true.
Originally posted by mayertuck
Originally posted by 27th Aquarius
A real man deals with his responsibility and the consequences of his actions!
So then what about a "real woman"
Notice I did not disagree with your posting, merely asked a question on something people do not want to talk about.
The fact is, I am not seeing a scenerio to comment on in which a woman is shirking her responsibility like the male in the OP/ in question.
Shirking child support means there is a child to support.
Abortion eradicates that possibility, thus the woman is NOT shirking her parental duty becaus eshe is not a parent.
Must be other people not wanting to address this point.
Originally posted by Benevolent Heretic
And why is no one answering my posts?
Originally posted by SeenMyShare
reply to post by Benevolent Heretic
I see your point. I just don't happen to agree. If I don't want to get burned I make sure my hand isn't placed in the fire. If I don't want to be a parent, I don't produce a child.
I will never agree that abortion should be a way out except in the circumstances I've previously stated. I do not understand, will never understand, why murdering an unborn child is acceptable. Should there then be retroactive abortions? I decide once my child is born that I've made a mistake and don't want to woman up to my responsibility, therefore I can murder my newborn by "retroactive abortion"? To me they are one and the same.
If I engage in a sexual act that produces a child I am responsible for the rearing and support (emotional, physical and monetary) of that child until he/she is an adult. The other parent is equally responsible. There are no easy outs. There are no easy answers. What I don't understand is the enormous amount of people who do not want the responsibility, whether financial or physical, that can't figure out how to prevent beforehand rather than "fix" afterward.
Adoption should only be utilized if BOTH parents agree. The parent who doesn't agree to the adoption should be the one to have physical custody of the child but the other parent remains equally financially responsible for the child.
Originally posted by Benevolent Heretic
Originally posted by hotbakedtater
en.wikipedia.org...
Reproductive rights rest on the recognition of the basic right of all couples and individuals to decide freely and responsibly the number, spacing and timing of their children and to have the information and means to do so, and the right to attain the highest standard of sexual and reproductive health. They also include the right of all to make decisions concerning reproduction free of discrimination, coercion and violence.[2]"
Put the man in your definition of reproductive rights there. The man should be able to decide freely the number of children he has (even if that number is zero). The man has the right to make decisions concerning reproduction. Including the decision NOT to.
Unless a man is coerced violently, the child he is wishing to not have was conceived freely utilizing the reproductive Rights he is entitled to under Law.
Why is it that when you talk about female abortion, it's a parasite or clump of cells (which I agree with) but when you talk about a male abortion, it's a "CHILD"... ? It's not a child at the time of the abortion, male or female. TRY to have some objectivity here.
Abortion?
That falls under Reproductive CHOICE
From your link:
Reproductive rights may include some or all of the following: the right to legal or safe abortion
Originally posted by hotbakedtater
I am not flip flopping by refusing to answer a question that has nothing to do with any of my previous statements regarding the topic at hand.
By the way, I support equality in the military.
Originally posted by SeenMyShare
If I don't want to be a parent, I don't produce a child.
Should there then be retroactive abortions? I decide once my child is born that I've made a mistake and don't want to woman up to my responsibility, therefore I can murder my newborn by "retroactive abortion"? To me they are one and the same.
Originally posted by Kailassa
Whining about not having posts answered when you don't answer posts yourself?
I guess you do stand for double standards.