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The Islamization Of America Is Upon Us

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posted on Sep, 15 2010 @ 03:53 PM
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See here is the problem that is consistantly missed because apparently its so incredibly complex its like rocket surgery...


If the practice of any religion is to be infringed, you consiquently wipe your arse with the same piece of paper(constitution) that allows you to hop on that high horse you are sitting on. The U.S. is NOT particular to any one religion and for it to be particular to ANY one religion it would be in direct violation of the constitution...So which is it? We live in a free country? or we live in a christain country? Cuz you sure as hell cant have both.


edit on 15-9-2010 by Sly1one because: spelling




posted on Sep, 15 2010 @ 04:17 PM
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AND YOU KNOW THIS HOW?
WHAT EVIDENCE DO YOU HAVE THAT CAN PROVE THIS COUNTRY WILL NOT EXPERIENCE RADICAL CHANGES?

I know that's how the country is supposed to be but look around you, there are plenty of things a changing right before our very eyes.
Must be part of that changed we were promised.
It's the only thing that makes sense.



posted on Sep, 15 2010 @ 04:19 PM
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This has to be you OP! Just look at this picture and laugh!



posted on Sep, 15 2010 @ 04:20 PM
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Originally posted by cleveract
The way your speak is so discusting.

Thanks, I do try to make an impression...some find me enlightened, some disgusting..I guess it all depends on which side of the fense you sit on for my opinions...no worries, in some other thread you will find my stands great


first of all, i never said that we dont have a free will, what does a test mean? Imagine, you have a teacher in your classroom and you are preparing for a test, you have the freewilling, to write the test and maybe have a A´+ or ignore the test. Similarly we are being tested and there are people who my succed and some fail...

gonna snip it here. Basically, if God knows the outcome whatsoever, then there is no free will.
Well, God knows the outcome...its written pretty simply in the bible...even speaks of how Satan will make a stand against God in the end and fail, etc...the description is not of a concept that may or may not happen, revelations is filled with what is to be matter of factly (might as well use the bible since the koran simply sits on top of the bible)
Now...the actual structure is...
People are in a classroom with teachers instructing them daily. They are giving actual physical things to learn from...outside the window, down the foggy street is some guy whom you cant even see but some people think they hear...that guy is God, the teachers in the class are logic and reason.
The students rationally should be paying attention to whats going on in class, yet for some reason, far too many are ignoring the classroom and squinting at the window, trying to listen to the man in the fog far away thinking he is the teacher.

And so test day comes...the students ultimately give the answers that was in classroom...yet some gave answers from what they thought the man in the fog gave...by your example, that man that was not really seen is the actual teacher.

If this is the truth, then I take it back, God is not evil...he is weak and stupid. Why would you design a system that you demanded worship from, yet made it nearly impossible to justify beyond near insane rantings...to allow reason and logic to completely take over the classroom and you are only noticed and attractive to those whom ignore reason and logic?

Explain the nature of the deity...are we dealing with evil supreme, or a complete moron deity here? Is the universe so poorly set up that this is the pinnicle of our reality?

Meh...if that truely is it, then I reckon hell will be better set up...suddenly you can fully understand why lucifer rebelled and decided not to go back to heaven.




And remember don´t mix up the jinn, they are also creatures like us human being, but we dont see them, but they see us, and they are shapeshifters. And Allah(SWT) created the jinn only to worship Allah, same with people...

Of course not...it would be silly to mix that up..the jinn are the invisible shapeshifting angel people...what was I thinking...thanks for setting me straight.



I challenge you to find a contradiction in the glorious quran.....

Finding a contradiction is one thing, you accepting the contradiction however would prove to be fruitless because your faith disallows any contradictions anyhow...I have dealt for many years with religious people in debates and no matter what, they will never accept any contradictions...(typically just damning you if you make too good of a point, then going on being blind).



And proove that this world has no creator

lol...I will do just that, once your prove to me there are not nor have never been giant invisible spagetti monsters...until you prove they dont exist, we must assume they do, right?

Science proves the process of the creation of the world...not every single step is filled in yet, but day by day more steps are...which part in specific confuses you though...the actual starting of the sun..or the cooling of the gas around the sun...the clumping together...the cooling...the initial starting of life...I can spend the 4 seconds googling for you so you can read about the miracle of science

oh, btw...did you know they also figured out what makes it rain...come to find out, it wasn't angels crying on clouds..go figure.



It is your decision, i don´t want to live a blind life.

blindly faithful to ancient texts of people talking about invisible people, mountains moving, etc...ya, that is rational



One question, can you proove that love exist?

Well, love is a feeling...nothing more than that...it has never been considered any sort of object or deity, therefore as strictly a concept, yes...I can prove it. I love pizza...there...it popped into existance
I can also prove hate exists...I hate taxes...boom...hate now exists...and once I stop loving pizza, it will pop out of existance for me loving pizza. Love is not a deity, or a tree, or anything that could have a form or individual aspect on its own, so the question is completely flawed.



Can you proove that you have a brain?

I think I just did...question goes back to you.



posted on Sep, 15 2010 @ 04:25 PM
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Originally posted by Alxandro
reply to post by TheImmaculateD1
 


AND YOU KNOW THIS HOW?
WHAT EVIDENCE DO YOU HAVE THAT CAN PROVE THIS COUNTRY WILL NOT EXPERIENCE RADICAL CHANGES?

I know that's how the country is supposed to be but look around you, there are plenty of things a changing right before our very eyes.
Must be part of that changed we were promised.
It's the only thing that makes sense.


There are some constants in this world.
We will constantly change
We will constantly complain about the change as we go older
Our kids will think its fine until they get older, then complain about how things changed
etc etc etc.

the oldest gripe of humanity is how things are changing and how things are simply not how they were back when we were younger...these new kids and their radical ideas...or this new pop religion, or that way of thinking is different and will certainly end civilization.

Join the rest of the entire civilizations history in its traditional shaking of the fist at the ever changing and evolving thing we call society.



posted on Sep, 15 2010 @ 04:27 PM
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posted on Sep, 15 2010 @ 04:30 PM
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I wouldn't be surprised. There was site I cam across a couple months ago which discussed a Queen of England having African blood in here. I'm distantly related to Ancient Spanish Kings and Queens. My Surname has Greek and Arabic origins. I wouldn't be surprised both sides mated.



posted on Sep, 15 2010 @ 04:34 PM
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I guess its sad the extent that people associate their identity with having people around them that do things as they do. Thats the real point here and why your post just comes off as ignorant. An influx of Muslims? There are over 2 billion of them in the world... they outnumber you... I guess it's a good thing that the Muslims follow the teachings of Jesus and don't share the same identity patterns as you.

"Our country is being taken over"... Grow up... The world is a changing place. Instead of changing yourself to adapt to it you wish to create a little community that only people who dress/act/look like you can live then go do it. But to think that's what America is then your mistaken. Where were all these Christian's when they were blowing up abortion clinics terrorist style? Are we going to start viewing christians in the same view? I sure hope so.

Point is: Fanatics of any color are a problem. Deal with the fanatics and you get yourself a safer world.

Period.



posted on Sep, 15 2010 @ 04:37 PM
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I think you missed the entire point of my post.

That post was about how painting an entire religion as bad because the actions of a few is dangerous and bigoted.

Of course there are a few Christians out there that won't rape your children every chance they get.

Of course there are a few Christians out there that won't blow up your office building.

Of course there are a few Christians out there that won't protest your funeral.

Of course there are a few Christians out there that won't beat you senseless or kill you for being anything other than a Christian.

But as long as idiots in this thread and others believe the stupid things they are saying about another religion, I will continue to believe the above bigoted statements as a matter of principal.



posted on Sep, 15 2010 @ 04:40 PM
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Originally posted by p51mustang
as i say- dont listen to old fundamentalists who want you to go kill.
old religious crankpots that get on tv sets or radios and spew toxins..
if you want to be a killer then just go do it.
we all know we fight for dwindling resources.
why drag god/allah into it..
there is no holy land or holy book or holy man.
more opium for the masses.
islam in america? hell we got jews catholics hindus and
every sort of moron mormons and what-nots..whats a few muslims..
if anybody wants to rock the boat we have fema camps to stick you in.
in view of the expansion of usa missiles and bases and war policies
THE AMERICANIZATION OF THE WORLD IS UPON US!




First of all, it is haram(prohibited) to deal opium or use it.
Second, there is indeed a holy book called the glorious quran, which i think that you´ve missed,
third, the highest man of man, is Muhammad(peace be upon him) which you´ve also missed.

The reason why i believe in the glorious quran is because it explains how the life was created, the purpose of life, how to live your life, and who the creator is and which messenger we should follow...


If we look at all books, we will find contradictions, in all of them, but not in the glorious quran, so stop crying lies.

Have you seen Pharao? he is well preserved, and Allah(allmighty) promised to preserve pharao as a sign to mankind that what could happen if they act like he did, and you may know his history....
Here are some verses and i will also show you pictures. It is exactly like the description,


[10:90] We delivered the Children of Israel across the sea. Pharaoh and his troops pursued them, aggressively and sinfully. When drowning became a reality for him, he said, "I believe that there is no god except the One in whom the Children of Israel have believed; I am a submitter."

[10:91] "Too late! For you have rebelled already, and chose to be a transgressor.

Pharaoh's Body Preserved*

[10:92] "Today, we will preserve your body, to set you up as a lesson for future generations." Unfortunately, many people are totally oblivious to our signs.

The us secret government dont care about you, they may also put you into the fema camp, clas 1 ticket.

I hope inshallah(God willing) in the near future that you will show some more respect, and provide relevant information to us all.....

Picture can be seen bellow...

edit: qualityjunkyard.com...


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posted on Sep, 15 2010 @ 04:42 PM
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Originally posted by whatuknoBut as long as idiots in this thread and others believe the stupid things they are saying about another religion, I will continue to believe the above bigoted statements as a matter of principal.


So, you feel that to try and establish reason, you must become as primative as the other primates?

elevating a conversation means not moving down on your principles, but rather inspiring others to come up to your level.

If their actions caused you to act out of character however, then I guess they may have the stronger and more powerful arguement...



posted on Sep, 15 2010 @ 04:45 PM
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Originally posted by Hefficide
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Allowing Muslims the same freedoms that the rest of us enjoy, without question, is not allowing them to "take over" no matter how anyone in the mass media tries and spin it.


Your ignorance of the issue is astounding.

What freedoms are we trying to take away from the Muslims?


Nobody is saying the Muslims cannot practice their religion. Hell, there are already over 100 mosques in New York alone. Please show me where in the Constitution is states that you can build anything, anywhere you want. The Constitution deals with practicing your religion, NOT building anything you want anywhere.


Using Obama's logic that they should be allowed to build it because it is private property, then I am sure you have no problem if I want to open a porno shop, gun shop or liquor store next to a school right? I'm sure New York would have no problem with this right?



posted on Sep, 15 2010 @ 04:49 PM
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Originally posted by WhatTheory
Using Obama's logic that they should be allowed to build it because it is private property, then I am sure you have no problem if I want to open a porno shop, gun shop or liquor store next to a school right? I'm sure New York would have no problem with this right?


Obama has become code enforcement?

So, explain then how you would word things...no islamic structure near ground zero? care to define near first off?

should it be...no religious affiliation structure within a mile of any place that is deemed "national landmark"?

explain how you would legislate this...this should be good for a laugh.
-waits with a big grin-



posted on Sep, 15 2010 @ 04:52 PM
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So, you feel that to try and establish reason, you must become as primative as the other primates?


I am trying to show what ridiculous statements look like by using a religion that the people that are making these ignorant and bigoted statements are used to and comfortable with.


elevating a conversation means not moving down on your principles, but rather inspiring others to come up to your level.


Yes, and in order to do that, sometimes you have to dumb down the conversation in order to get through the thick Cro-Magnon skulls of people. When they say "That's not true about Christianity" then you can say, "Neither is the idiocy that you are talking about".


If their actions caused you to act out of character however, then I guess they may have the stronger and more powerful arguement...


You can't teach an infant quantum physics day one out of the womb, you have to work with them and guide them. It's the same with bigots, you have to dumb things down to a nearly ape like level then slowly you can raise their awareness to the point of understanding and that will bring about tolerance.



posted on Sep, 15 2010 @ 04:56 PM
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How about we try to start the humanization of America instead of this.Why does it have to be an Islamization? America is a melting pot correct? Why should anyone have a problem with the views another has as long as it doesn't hurt you? Islam doesn't impose on any of my rights as a human. Why don't people try to understand things instead of the lazy and ignorant response of fear!? I feel sorry for people that believe everything they hear about the "ground zero mosque" on TV. If America is such a "Christian Nation" like the A**HOLES I see talking about this "problem on TV say, what happened to Christ like compassion? Jesus didn't go around talking SMACK about other peoples religions or beliefs. he taught by example. KEEP YOUR OPINIONS TO YOURSELF IF YOU CAN'T INTEGRATE A TINY BIT OF THOUGHT ALONG WITH THEM.



posted on Sep, 15 2010 @ 04:56 PM
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Originally posted by SaturnFX
Obama has become code enforcement?

I guess so since that is his reason for allowing it. What's your point?



So, explain then how you would word things...no islamic structure near ground zero? care to define near first off?

Sounds like you worded it well. Good job. Define near: 10 blocks sounds reasonable.


So you don't have a problem with me opening a liquor store, gun shop or porno shop next to a school right? It is private property after all.



posted on Sep, 15 2010 @ 04:56 PM
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Its rarely about who your debating...typically thats only one or two people anyhow..
it is about those quietly reading along...those measure in the hundreds or thousands...thats why people debate in a open forum..
Let the monkeys be what they are, and instead of dumbing down, maintain the same level of superiority...your confidence in not having to drop to their level will not impress them, but will influence the lurkers on how they see things.

otherwise...I feel ya.



posted on Sep, 15 2010 @ 04:58 PM
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Move the Jews to the ghetto while we are at it right?



posted on Sep, 15 2010 @ 04:58 PM
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Originally posted by WhatTheory

Originally posted by SaturnFX
Obama has become code enforcement?

I guess so since that is his reason for allowing it. What's your point?



So, explain then how you would word things...no islamic structure near ground zero? care to define near first off?

Sounds like you worded it well. Good job. Define near: 10 blocks sounds reasonable.


So you don't have a problem with me opening a liquor store, gun shop or porno shop next to a school right? It is private property after all.


He didn't allow anything...the law allows it.

and I have a problem with any type of religious structure opening up near a school frankly...a schoolkid cant get a drink, buy pr0n, or a gun...but they can go into a church and be twisted into insanity via the church...which is allowed to be nearby.



posted on Sep, 15 2010 @ 05:00 PM
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Originally posted by the new kid
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Move the Jews to the ghetto while we are at it right?


Now you are just being silly. Who said anything about relocating people?

Please focus and stay on topic instead of going off on a totally unrelated tangent.



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