The Islamization Of America Is Upon Us

Originally posted by the new kid
reply to post by WhatTheory

 

Move the Jews to the ghetto while we are at it right?

if we did, the ghetto would quickly become the uptown area.

Jewish people are notoriously connected...like dealing with a extended mob family, but with less pasta

He's attempting to alleviate your ignorance of the islamization of this nation. Irrrational fear may not be helpful but realistic fear is. Fear of jumping off a cliff is reasonable just as fear of the islamization of the nation is reasonable. The signs are there even if you choose to ignore them.

Originally posted by The Sword
reply to post by Alxandro

 

Do you enjoy spreading fear around like manure?

I thought ATS was about denying ignorance, not promoting it like you are?

Originally posted by SaturnFX
He didn't allow anything...the law allows it.

Who said he allowed it.
I just simply stated his reason for supporting it.

What law are you refering to which allows it?
The zoning board can decide to allow or disallow anything they want from being built.

and I have a problem with any type of religious structure opening up near a school frankly

Then you have a problem which is deeply embedded.

a schoolkid cant get a drink, buy pr0n, or a gun

Really? Since when? A lot of kids under age have bought liquor and porn magazines. What world are you living in?

reply to post by Alxandro

Congrats on having the courage to say the truth...S&F

One only has to look at Africa where many nations that 30 years ago were identified as Christian now are completely ruled by muslims. Many thousands of these Christians have been slaughtered by these muslims that give you a choice...Worship their false god or die.

The muslims always build a mosque upon a site that has been "concured". Example is the "dome of the rock" on the Jewish Temple ruins. Now the mosque adjacent to the World Trade Center ruins is Americas defeat symbol..

For the sake of Political Correctness many Americans clamp their mouths shut. They do so at their own peril. These muslims intend on converting the world to islam or killing the infidels who refuse to bow to their fake god.

To all those who say that not all muslims feel this way, I say bunk. How many "peaceful muslims" speak out against their religious leaders who promote violence? Answer: none. Why? Because they don't wish their head seperated from their neck by their "brothers"..

reply to post by SaturnFX


You can't argue with people whom are in their own mind smarter than everyone else.....the person in question is one of those I fear. Whenever he feels threatened he talks down to and insults people with a rather broad brush instead of debating like an adult. Don't feed the troll and maybe he'll go away.

Originally posted by WhatTheory

Originally posted by SaturnFX
He didn't allow anything...the law allows it.

Who said he allowed it.

I just simply stated his reason for supporting it.

YOU said he allowed it...shesh, this isn't a chat, this is a internet forum...your words are written down...here..read what you wrote:

Originally posted by WhatTheory

Originally posted by SaturnFX
Obama has become code enforcement?

I guess so since that is his reason for allowing it. What's your point?

see...thats you...using the exact words "his reason for allowing it". come on man...at least try.

What law are you refering to which allows it?
The zoning board can decide to allow or disallow anything they want from being built.

They site precidence for their zoning acceptance...its a pretty standard checklist. Since this center fits the criteria fine, then its allowed legally.

and I have a problem with any type of religious structure opening up near a school frankly

Then you have a problem which is deeply embedded.

Perhaps, I tend to frown on make believe snake oil salesmen corrupting children with talks of how school is wrong and a magic cloud man is the real answer...what you cal problem, I call evolved thinking.

a schoolkid cant get a drink, buy pr0n, or a gun

Really? Since when? A lot of kids under age have bought liquor and porn magazines. What world are you living in?

A kid can also murder someone...that doesn't mean its legal...just means they did it anyhow.
I live on this world..people break the law..wow..this amazes you? but because they break the law does not mean the laws dont exist to begin with.

sharpen up or we are done discussing...I have already met my quota today on responding to nonsense,

Originally posted by adifferentbreed
reply to post by SaturnFX

 

Don't feed the troll and maybe he'll go away.

I'm sure you feel this way towards anyone who has a different opinion from yours because you are right, correct?

Oh and thanks for giving us your insightful thoughts on the subject at hand.

reply to post by Alxandro

The Islamization Of America Is Upon Us

No it isn't.

Seriously.

Islam is like a virus. Once you catch the virus, you don't feel the symptoms immediately. But it will gradually affect your vital organs one by one. And eventually the virus will make you to adapt to itself to survive which means the permanent changes of your ways of life without you realizing it.

Just for a simple example, which Moslem countries in the world today has developed an advanced society and civilization tolerant enough to handle the variety of the issues of today. Who wants to live in Saudi Arabia or Iran for that matter?

If you know what Islam really is, you will prevent them from putting a foot in your neighbor's soil.

But at least I'm glad I live in a society that I can voice my opinion without being threatened. When the time comes, this voice will be regarded as a subject matter to ADL for the Moslems like ADL for the Jews.

By then, it will be pretty much the end of the USA.

reply to post by WhatTheory


Nope, I actually enjoy a good debate,, and usually can learn something from the other side, however, when one constantly uses insults to deliver their message, yup I'd call them a troll. I think it's funny one can use that many insults and not be considered a troll, when soemeone obviously as intelligent as the poster seems to be cant make his point without them. As far as my contribution, thanks, glad you enjoyed it. Have a nice night.

Originally posted by SaturnFX
YOU said he allowed it...shesh, this isn't a chat, this is a internet forum...your words are written down...here..read what you wrote:

Ok, I did say allow. By bad. Should have said support instead. Don't try and act like you never mis-stated anything by mistake.

They site precidence for their zoning acceptance...its a pretty standard checklist. Since this center fits the criteria fine, then its allowed legally.

This is not exactly how it works but you did say by law it was allowed, so I would like to know which law specifically you are referring to.

If they only use precidence then that will not help since I am pretty sure there would not be a similar event to fall back on. Zoning board members have the power to allow or disallow anything.

reply to post by whatukno

I think you missed the entire point of my post.

Gulp. Actually, I did. Kinda jumped in without noting all the nuances and such taking place.

However, (you knew that was coming) anytime there is an issue with another religion, no matter which, it always turns out that Christianity is dragged in to it and attacked. It never fails. It becomes tiresome after a while.

Remember, never trust a muslim - muslim's can lie for Allah - Surah 5:89, Surah 2:225, Surah 16:106

No that does not mean that we don´t have a free will, lets say, if you want to be guided with sincerity, then with the help of Allah anything is possible, if you want to live in another way, then it is up to you with the permission of Allah(SWT)..

We have a choice...

With the help of Allah(SWT) we are able to live, eat, support, buy, sell, act...

It is like, if you have 5 doors to choose, and you try to open all the doors, it may be locked one day, and another day 2 of the 5 doors may be unlocked with the permission of Allah(SWT)

The bible has some flaws, i mean many, and therefore it should not be a reliable source to read and live in christianity, the door has been locked since the time of Jesus peace be upon him.. Even in the bible he mention that there will come a man after me, and if you read the hebrew, it mention about Muhammad(SAW) yes you read it right....



1- The Universe was formed from hot gaseous in the Noble Quran:

Let us look what Allah Almighty said about the Universe in the Noble Quran:

"Moreover He comprehended in His design the sky, and it had been (as) smoke: He said to it and to the earth: 'Come ye together, willingly or unwillingly.' They said: 'We do come (together), in willing obedience.' So He completed them as seven firmaments in two Days, and He assigned to each heaven its duty and command. And We adorned the lower heaven with lights, and (provided it) with guard. Such is the Decree of (Him) the Exalted in Might, Full of Knowledge. (The Noble Quran, 41:11-12)"

"Do not the Unbelievers see that the heavens and the earth were joined together (as one unit of creation), before we clove them asunder? We made from water every living thing. Will they not then believe? (The Noble Quran, 21:30)"

The Arabic word for "sky" in Noble Verse 41:11 above is "samaa", which is the same word used for "heaven" and "Universe". Since the 7 heavens didn't exist yet (because the seven firmaments or heavens were mentioned in the next Noble Verse 41:12), then this CLEARLY MAKES the "samaa" be referring to the Universe, since the heaven was the entire Universe when GOD Almighty "comprehended in His design the sky". He then later divided it into seven firmaments or heavens.

Anyway, as we clearly see above in the Noble Verses, Allah Almighty initially created the Universe or the "samaa" with smoke (Dukhan). Dukhan in Arabic refers to the smoke coming from fire, which is always HOT GAS.


A new star forming out of a cloud of gas and dust (nebula), which is one of the remnants of the "smoke" that was the origin of the whole universe. (The Space Atlas, Heather and Henbest, page 50)
Allah Almighty said: "Then He turned to the heaven when it was smoke...(The Noble Quran, 41:11)"
The Noble Quran on the Origin of the Universe
Only Islam claims that the universe was originated from Dust and Hot Gas, or Smoke.


Now as to Noble Verse 21:30 above, according to the Big Bang Theory, the Universe experienced an unbelievable explosion from the hot gases that were forming it, which caused the Universe (which consisted of the ball of gases) to split and expand. The Earth was separated then from the gaseous mass that was forming the Universe. The gases according to the scientific articles below in this article made "the universe be consisted of compact ball of hydrogen -- protons, neutrons, electrons, and their anti-particles -- plus radiation. There were not differentiated planets, stars, suns, galaxies. Five billion years ago, the compact hydrogen soup blasted apart with huge force, matter was hurled in all directions, and the universe doubled in size. This expansion of the universe is still going on." [taken from "Ask Yahoo" web site at ask.yahoo.com...]

It is really interesting to know that the Big Bang Theory suggests that the Universe is still expanding until today, because this is EXACTLY what Allah Almighty also claimed in the Noble Quran:

"And the firmament, We constructed with power and skill and verily We are expanding it. (The Noble Quran, 51:47)"

Again, the word "samaa" was used for "firmament". "samaa" as I mentioned above means either "heaven", or "Universe" depending on how it is used. Certainly, the meaning of the word "samaa" in Noble Verse 51:47 is "Universe".

How could Allah create the world in 6 days if science has proved that the world and universe took millions of years to make?

Let us look at Noble Verse 7:54 "Your Guardian-Lord Is Allah, Who created the heavens and the earth in six days, then He established Himself on the Throne (of authority): He draweth the night as a veil O'er the day, each seeking the other in rapid succession: He created the sun, the moon, and the stars, (all) governed by laws under His command. Is it not His to create and to govern? Blessed be Allah, the Cherisher and Sustainer of the worlds!" According to the Noble Quran, the initial stage of the Universe was created in six days. But however, the Universe is not static. It is dynamic and constantly changing and expanding.

Let us look at Noble Verse 51:47 "And the firmament, We constructed with power and skill and verily We are expanding it." The Universe according to the Noble Quran will keep expanding and changing until the Day of Judgment.

The Universe will also shrink: "The Day that We roll up the heavens like a scroll rolled up for books (completed),- even as We produced the first creation, so shall We produce a new one: a promise We have undertaken: truly shall We fulfil it. (The Noble Quran, 21:104)"

The Galaxies of the Universe will all explode: "And when the heaven splitteth asunder and becometh ROSY-LIKE PAINT - (The Noble Quran, 55:37)"




From www.answering-christianity.com/hot_gas.htm


"The universe starts with a Big Bang, expands to a maximum dimension, then recontracts and collapses (to the Big Crunch); no more awe-inspiring prediction was ever made." Quotation from Charles W. Misner, Kip S. Thorne and John A. Wheeler in "Gravitation", W. H. Freeman, San Francisco, 1973, page 1196.



From www.evidencesofcreation.com...

The Expansion of the Universe


Edwin Hubble with his giant telescope
In the Qur'an, which was revealed 14 centuries ago at a time when the science of astronomy was still primitive, the expansion of the universe was described like this:

"And it is We who have constructed the heaven with might, and verily, it is We who are steadily expanding it."
(The Qur'an, 51:47)

The word "heaven", as stated in this verse, is used in various places in the Qur'an with the meaning of space and universe. Here again, the word is used with this meaning. In other words, in the Qur'an it is revealed that the universe "expands". And this is the very conclusion that science has reached today.


Georges Lemaitre
Until the dawn of the 20th century, the only view prevailing in the world of science was that "the universe has a constant nature and it has existed since infinite time". The research, observations, and calculations carried out by means of modern technology, however, have revealed that the universe in fact had a beginning, and that it constantly "expands".

At the beginning of the 20th century, the Russian physicist Alexander Friedmann and the Belgian cosmologist Georges Lemaitre theoretically calculated that the universe is in constant motion and that it is expanding.

This fact was proved also by observational data in 1929. While observing the sky with a telescope, Edwin Hubble, the American astronomer, discovered that the stars and galaxies were constantly moving away from each other. A universe where everything constantly moves away from everything else implied a constantly expanding universe. The observations carried out in the following years verified that the universe is constantly expanding. This fact was explained in the Qur'an when that was still unknown to anyone. This is because the Qur'an is the word of God, the Creator, and the Ruler of the entire universe.


From the moment of the big bang, the universe has been constantly expanding at a great speed. Scientists compare the expanding universe to the surface of a balloon that is inflated.



Continuing with my article....

Allah Almighty never gave any number for the Universe's age. Muslims do not believe that humans for instance existed only 5,000 years ago and will die in year 2000 or 2059 as many Christians believe.

Allah Almighty was very accurate in His claims in the Noble Quran. For instance, science proved that the metal "iron" was not created from earthly material or reactions. Iron was sent by burning stars traveling through space that had collided with earth! When those stars collided with earth and their melted metals cooled down and changed from liquid burned/melted metals to hard solid metals, they formed the metal of what we call today iron.

Let us look at Noble Verse 57:25 "We sent aforetime Our messengers with clear signs and sent down them the Book and the Balance (of right and wrong), that men may stand forth in justice; and We sent down iron, in which is (material for) Mighty war, as well as many benefits for mankind, that Allah may test who it is that will help, unseen, Him and His messengers: For Allah is Full of strength, exalted in Might (And able to enforce His Will)."

Also, since Allah Almighty didn't have any names for the explosive gases (such as hydrogen) 1400 years ago, He summed them up by calling them "smoke (dukhan)", which is literally a hot gas. Smoke is also ball-shaped and compacted together while it is hot and in the air. This description perfectly fits what the big bang theory suggests from the shape of the "compact ball" of gases that formed the Universe.

2- The Bible never mentioned anything about the formation of the Universe:

No where in the Bible do we see any mention of the creation of the Universe. The Bible lacks a great deal of information about how GOD Almighty created things.





The man in the fog was the devil, and they choosed to listen to the devil instead of facing the truth about what islam is about, peace, a guide line, information to complete the task.

So be aware, don´t idling by listening to the devil... Iqra, read and recite the quran...



blindly faithful to ancient texts of people talking about invisible people, mountains moving, etc...ya, that is rational

Like Albert Einstein said: Religion without science is lame, science without religion is blind..

And guess what The glorious quran has both science and religion.. Or otherwise it would be a blind faith...





It is also mentioned in the glorious quran about the water cycle, with science, and in many surahs


We sent down water from the sky, blessed water whereby We caused to grow gardens, grains for harvest, tall palm-trees with their spathes, piled one above the other – sustenance for (Our) servants. Therewith We gave (new) life to a dead land. So will be the emergence (from the tombs).” [Quran 50:9-11]

And (what means): “We sent down water from the sky in measure and lodged it in the ground. And We certainly are able to withdraw it. Therewith for you We gave rise to gardens of palm-trees and vineyards where for you are abundant fruits and of them you eat.” [Quran 23: 18-19]

And (what means): “We sent forth the winds that fecundate. We cause the water to descend from the sky. We provide you with the water – you (could) not be the guardians of its reserves.” [Quran 15:22]

Allaah is the One Who sends forth the winds which raised up the clouds. He spreads them in the sky as He wills and breaks them into fragments. Then thou seest raindrops issuing from within them. He makes them reach such of His servants as He wills. And they are rejoicing.” [Quran 30:48]

And (what means): “(Allaah) is the One Who sends forth the winds like heralds of His Mercy. When they have carried the heavy-laden clouds, We drive them to a dead land. Then We cause water to descend and thereby bring forth fruits of every kind. Thus We will bring forth the dead. Maybe you will remember.” [Quran 7:57]

And (what means): “Hast thou not seen that Allaah sent water down from the sky and led it through sources into the ground? Then He caused sown fields of different colors to grow.” [Quran 39:21]

And (what means): “Therein We placed gardens of palm-trees and vineyards and We caused water springs to gush forth.” [Quran 36:34]



I hope that you enjoyed my answer, and are aware that i spent my time with sincerity to show you why islam is the truth.

I am not here to guide you, but to inform you,

And Allah(SWT) guides whom he wills and misleads whom he wills....

Have a nice day...

reply to post by witness63



The same way a few million Jews took it over???
Second line.

I'm Muslim.
To the haters, I realize you don't care about anything I say, but I'll just say one thing, don't let your hate grow so much that it blinds you and destroys your values and self. All I can really say is good luck, I hope for peace not confrontation, not terror, not fear. That's all ... I hope me saying "I'm Muslim" did not make you immediately close your eyes, plug your ears and seal your heart to anything I have to say.

Anyway, whether some of you are trolling or not, whether you are looking for a certain response, nor not, I can't free you from what response you want, or the hate you feel, all I can do, is wish you luck on getting past it in the future.

reply to post by cleveract



Remember, never trust a muslim - muslim's can lie for Allah - Surah 5:89, Surah 2:225, Surah 16:106

Originally posted by GoodLuckCharm
I'm Muslim.
To the haters, I realize you don't care about anything I say, but I'll just say one thing, don't let your hate grow so much that it blinds you and destroys your values and self. All I can really say is good luck, I hope for peace not confrontation, not terror, not fear. That's all ... I hope me saying "I'm Muslim" did not make you immediately close your eyes, plug your ears and seal your heart to anything I have to say.

Anyway, whether some of you are trolling or not, whether you are looking for a certain response, nor not, I can't free you from what response you want, or the hate you feel, all I can do, is wish you luck on getting past it in the future.

So, name a few of your islamic leaders which you will publicly denounce hear and now by name as radical terrorists. No need to fear retribution in such a "peaceful religion", right?

It's funny how everyone will demonize Islam at a snap of a finger. Yet when some criticizes the Christian religion people go crazy. So Islam is a bad religion and Christianity is perfect? That's the biggest lie I've ever heard.
www.evilbible.com...

Originally posted by BluesBassist
Remember, never trust a muslim - muslim's can lie for Allah - Surah 5:89, Surah 2:225, Surah 16:106

Let us all see how sincere you are Bluesbassist1

[5:89] GOD does not hold you responsible for the mere utterance of oaths; He holds you responsible for your actual intentions. If you violate an oath, you shall atone by feeding ten poor people from the same food you offer to your own family, or clothing them, or by freeing a slave. If you cannot afford this, then you shall fast three days. This is the atonement for violating the oaths that you swore to keep. You shall fulfill your oaths. GOD thus explains His revelations to you, that you may be appreciative.


[2:225] GOD does not hold you responsible for the mere utterance of oaths; He holds you responsible for your innermost intentions. GOD is Forgiver, Clement.

[16:106] Those who disbelieve in GOD, after having acquired faith, and become fully content with disbelief, have incurred wrath from GOD. The only ones to be excused are those who are forced to profess disbelief, while their hearts are full of faith.*

Please for the sake of Allah(SWT)

Read again clearly, and react...