Feminism: Destroying the Male and Female Relationship

Originally posted by OrphenFire
Solution: don't get involved with a feminist. If you're a man and long for a traditional relationship, why become involved with a woman who doesn't value the same thing? My wife stays home with our son every day and I go to work. I come home and spend time with them both. Our house is full of love. It's because I found a woman who wanted the same thing as me: a traditional life-long relationship. There are still plenty of women out there who are traditionalists. Men just have to be able to resist the whores.

But it's true, feminism is a dangerous, destabilizing force in the world. Although it's hard to argue with a woman's right to freedom.

It's hard to tell one from the other in the beginning. My ex-wife was everything I wanted in a woman when we were dating, but just as soon as we got married her feminist roots were revealed to me and then I found out that her mother was the instigator and raised her that way. Nshe then just used me as an ATM machine and divorced me and legally robbed me blind. So, I was essentially lied to our whole tenure of dating. You see, these feminists have agenda, and they don't show the agenda to you........until it's too late. That's why some men support feminists, just thinking that they are victimized women,....still fragile as before. This couldn't be farther from the truth. They are now cut throat, business women who read books and watch videos and go to seminars and join feminist groups ( like the Oprah Cult etc.) to learn how to destroy us men using subterfuge as a vehicle. They act like victims (hence, the old tired line, Men get paid more than women, Men rule the world, male dominated society, women are the minorities etc.) , despite the fact that studies everywhere show that women are the ones on top now. They get away with these lies because of one reason. People JUST BLINDLY BELIEVE their lies and go on about their business. The same as they do with the government that constantly lies and people just keep on believing.....we are conditioned to do so. It's the lies of the marching Feminists of the past, which were governmentally funded by the way, that compel people to accept the movement and as long as we keep letting them get away with it........they are going to keep using those lines BECAUSE THEY WORK! Races do it, it works.....religions do it, it works.....why would their man hating organization be any different? This feminist movement is a dried up tactic of crying to get your way, with lies, manipulation of public sympathy based on lies and the repetitive task of legal bombardment under the threat of more crying.The government is using this to break up families so that the men will not be strong when they come to stronghold our country into submission.........and it's working!

reply to post by Dark Ghost


Don't forget the whole sexual liberation thing, the idea that it is alright for women to have a large number of sexual partners. As many as she needs to satisfy her liberated sexuality, or something.

I've talked to my grandson's about this and they don't like it. They say it is 'good' to be able to get sex so easily, but that women being easy discourages them from wanting to marry or to enter long-term relationships with those women.

And what is with associating being a strong and independent woman with not being able to cook. I've heard young women act like not knowing how to do something so basic as cook is somehow liberating for them.

That is moronic.

Originally posted by badgerprints
The problem here is that feminism, instead of changing relationships between men and women, sought to destroy the relationship between men and women.

Can't fix what doesn't exist any more.

Good point, what few understand is that it was all planned to go down like this.

It has been termed Ideological subversion and Demoralization.

A former KGB agent said it was being used as a weapon against the US,
and it has and it worked incredibly well.



There are several videos on youtube with him in them "Yuri Bezmenov".

Mostly only the stronger religious communities have not buckled under its damage.

But this method has been a large part of the country falling apart,
and the divide between men and women is part of this.

The media has been the primary tool to brainwash the ppl.

Some of it has also been put out thru the education system, but it
has taken a lesser roll in my opinion.

reply to post by Exuberant1


Yes, that as well. What I find more annoying about the "sexual liberation" aspect is not so much the freedom to have multiple sex partners without fearing ridicule, but more the manipulation of men using sexual desire as the tool. Women are in many ways encouraged to abuse this weakness in men (strong desire for sex) if it means getting ahead or furthering their careers. While this is immoral behaviour by itself, the consequences it can lead to for women are a lot more dire.

I've met and spoken to outgoing Feminists who believe women are superior to men because they choose to utilise this weakness for their own benefit. You learn a lot about your relationship with somebody when sex itself cannot be used for obedience and manipulation purposes. (Women are generally rather angry when we make this realisation.)

reply to post by King Loki


You feel sorry for her because she wants to work to provide for her children? I feel sorry for your ignorance...better yet, any woman who puts up with your ignorance.

The dynamics of the communication between masculine and feminine have certainly changed because the balance between us, centered around more primal requirements, has been almost entirely affected by our evolution, technology and way of life.

I would argue that the perceptions of feminism [some have shared on here] are subjective to the type of feminist they have been exposed to, experienced or even been part of. Let's not forget that it comes in any form from radical to cultural more liberal feminists. In some way, there are beautiful parts to both ends of the spectrum, but I'd argue that it is the mindset and attributes of the individual that steers and controls how that belief, that way of life is recieved.

I'm a male with a fiancee and have a son together. We both work 37 hours per week and are what you would consider in a position to live a more conservative household, i.e. mother staying at home as a house-wife while I work, but we have not chosen to adopt this because my fiancee has a relatively high-powered job [business centre manager] and literally enjoys what she does and not because of financial constraint.

Some of my 'friends' have commented on how the balance of power within the household is stabilised, but I'm quick to remind them that my fiancee is an independent hard-working woman who is intelligent, confident and knows what she wants all the while being the centre-fold for the emotional back-bone of our family. It's quite simple, really. We both acknowledge that I am dominant sexually and socially, but domestically she is and this dynamic works for us. Again, it's down to the characteristics and perceptions of the individual, ultimately, which determine how the structure of this science works out.

Some men need to understand that feminism can be beautiful, but some women must also understand that primal thinking can also be beautiful. The interpretations do not matter, it is how they are conveyed by the individual that matters.

Only several weeks back, I found myself very irritable through the day, quite annoyed and generally grumpy and it transpired when I got home from work. Though, through my own failing to recognise my own primative needs, my fiancee volunteered herself to me as though she was a slave I was some pharoah king that demanded her. It worked absolute wonders and I felt simply amazing afterward, like any man would.

Conversely, I spent the best part of 2-3 hours chatting to her about her work a few days later and listening to an emotional problem that she felt she needed me to listen to and offer advise accordingly. Although I couldn't directly 'fix' the problem, the time and emotional platform I offered is what, she told me, was exactly what she needed.

It works both ways. Enjoy it! Oh and if she gets out of hand, give her a swift slap, straighten her out and tell her to know her place!

I'm kidding, I'm kidding.

I've only made it through page 7 and am currently running short on time so I would just like point out something I've observed while reading this thread. I haven't read any replies that would seem to come from the man-hating, bull dyke, feminazi stereotype that seems to be the most prevalent image of feminists portrayed in the media and pop culture. Most of the pro-feminist posts have been pretty level headed and fair. On the other side though, the anti-feminists if you will, many of the posts have been little more than a sounding board for their distaste of not only "feminists" but all women in general. Some have related personal experiences as a large factor for their opinions toward women but I tend to think that they are blaming the entire gender for what is really just one bad person.

Anyway, that's my 2 cents.

reply to post by AdAbsurdum


I'm very sorry that you had such a bad experience with your ex, she sounds terrible however, seeing as your past somewhat shapes who you become, it is pretty obvious you have issues with trusting women and to answer your question...nice, respectable women are everywhere. you just actually have to take the time to look. I also apologize about my assumptions. But wherever you are going to meet women is obviously not working.

reply to post by Dark Ghost


Indeed. The smart can have alternative-lifestyle without campaigning against the traditional or they can be of traditional-lifestyle without campaigning against the alternative. Its as simple as that.

Originally posted by TheDebunkMachine
reply to post by Unity_99

 

Wrong, thats what feminism says, but not what feminists seek. A very large portion of feminists seek dominance over males, not equality, and that is the problem, the fact is, women do have equality with men.

Its not up to you to define what I seek and not only were the females in my family feminists, but the men were as well, even my 12 year old son was and understood that it meant: equality.

And this has nothing to do with whether one works at home or seeks employment, for the kind of feminists I was raised to be was to see all work as work of equal value and raising children the most important job in the world, and all other jobs supported that, which was natures primary one. But that everyone chose for themselves based on wishes, health, energy levels and abilites, without any stigma and with complete respect and equality.

So i'm very curious what you think practicing feminists are about. And I personally believe that anyone pushing all women and mothers out to employment are not real feminsts, for they have somehow adopted the belief that raising children is not real work. The men in our family ran from it quickly and gladly took on any number of hard jobs to avoid being left with that for any of length of time. Women who think there is only one way, are not feminists either, for its about equality, for all people and values womens work as work of equal value. Its about choice.

Obviously all men still don't know a thing about women and probably never will.

I can tell you this.I wasn't there when the feminism revolt started. I wasn't burning my bra. And I believe they messed it up for the rest of us.

The only result from it all was a drastic increase in the cost of living. So now we are all forced to leave the children and home behind and work just so we can put food on the table. I am happy for those women that got what they wanted from it all but wasn't there an alternative way of doing it so that we all wouldn't have to suffer with them. Every woman I have discussed this matter with agrees with me and my opinions. Of course they are my same age and weren't there either.

No, it will probably never go back to the way it was. No, complaining about it will not help the situation we are in. But it will get my own opinion out there to those that did this to us.

So, in conclusion, I certainly hope you are happy with your results from it. Our children are murdering each other in the streets at the early age of 9 because both parents aren't at home caring for them, but at work.

reply to post by ADUB77


Don't worry, IF the SHTF, come visit me. I will show YOU an independent woman not afraid to blow your buns off with my arsenal.

But I'm newfangled that way.

reply to post by pcutlip


I doubt feminism caused inflation. I was always under the assumption our men in Washington caused this two working parent family, you know the ones who control the wars and the ones who control the media who tells all these families to buy this and that so both parents MUST work.

So it was feminism, huh?

Originally posted by Skyfloating
reply to post by Dark Ghost

 

Indeed. The smart can have alternative-lifestyle without campaigning against the traditional or they can be of traditional-lifestyle without campaigning against the alternative. Its as simple as that.

edit on 13-9-2010 by Skyfloating because: (no reason given)

What defines an alrenative lifestyle? A femal working? Excuse me while I laugh.

And a smart woman can do both.

It IS that simple.

Originally posted by King Loki

Im a guy, but like MeSoCorny, id love to chill at home and look after the kids and not have to work ... I have never worked out for the life of me why anyone would rebel against that. Feminism just seems to cherry pick every thing they want and reject any concept they don't like.

When was the last time anyone went out on a date and had the women offer to pay for the dinner ?

How many time have you been asked by a female co worker to lift something for them or do other things that women "cant do" ?

I also agree that they have almost ruined the term relationship.

edit on 12/9/10 by King Loki because: resize picture

To me, it is so sad you find the photograph above offensive.

reply to post by AzoriaCorp

I don't give much credibility to groups that use any of the words, heathen, pagan, infidel, or zion.
This one used "zion."

Religion should not be used as a weapon.
Neither should differences between the sexes.
This is just one other way to divide us.

If the men and women within a society cannot respect each other and cooperate beneficially for the whole group, how can societies of differing cultures get along and respect each other?

Strong men are still attracted to strong women,
Weak men are still attracted to weak women they might better dominate and control.
Not a lot has changed there.
Among all primates the most peaceful societies are those wherein the female is closest in size to the male. When females were much weaker and smaller there was no peace among the animals.

Masculine aggression and testosterone must be "checked" and "balanced" by an equal amount of feminine compassion and estrogen or else they will self destruct and destroy peace and harmony within family units and the society.

Look at the Taliban and their relationship with women as a great example.

Are they making it in society today or are they being stomped out?

Originally posted by Exuberant1
Sound like you are telling people to give up and make due with less.

I'm not telling people to do anything. Define 'Less'?

People should be trying to change that, not 'perhaps get used to it' or some other such defeatist nonsense.

Defeatist? I'm not following you!

The world was better when a man could raise his family in comfort with just his job.

There's no going back E1. Better get used to working with the new system mate

IRM

Yet another thread trying to destroy the vaules of feminism. Do people really find it hard to understand that SOME women dont want to sit at home and raise kids?

And for the record, i dont think it was ever about dominating men but rather equality between the two sexes.

Sluts are nasty monkeys that don't know how to please themselves, or demand pleasure, no, instead they mimic the acts they see in pornos and are way more focused on the mainstream image of "looking hott" instead of making the sexual experience well rounded, and climatic for both parties. They are stupid, they just follow a script, give the man a really good time, and NEVER ask for anything in return. Men have gotten used to these types of sluts, and when they come across other women, they EXPECT the same type of behavior out of them. I'm tired of cleaning up after these sluts and re-educating these men on what it means to please a woman. They get offended, they want to believe the pornos, and those sluts are making it worse for the rest of us TRUE LADIES!!!!

I can't even enjoy casual sex anymore, because all those guys out there are the same. They follow the porno script too. They expect me to do a certain number of acts until they are satisfied, and then that's it, NO PLEASURE FOR ME, No Pleasure for Woman, just wham and bam. I hate it! What happened to making love???? I've literally courted men for months, years, and they let this happen! They behave like there's some big producer over his shoulder, waiting for the "money-shot" DISGUSTING. I'm tired of men believing that all women are sluts!!! I'm tired of being treating like trash! I really am a lady, and I do not conduct myself in a matter that I may find distasteful. I HATE what the mainstream media has done to man and woman!!

Originally posted by Phenomium


They are now cut throat, business women who read books and watch videos and go to seminars and join feminist groups ( like the Oprah Cult etc.) to learn how to destroy us men using subterfuge as a vehicle.... This feminist movement is a dried up tactic of crying to get your way, with lies, manipulation of public sympathy based on lies and the repetitive task of legal bombardment under the threat of more crying.The government is using this to break up families so that the men will not be strong when they come to stronghold our country into submission.........and it's working!

So you admit men are so very WEAK that the government can drive them away from their families, and I suppose the government also beats these weak men into submission so well these weaklings cannot submit their child support.

And wow thanks feminism I can haz bookz now, pleaz? Are you serious? I am a female, the books I read have nothing to do with destroying men with subterfuge. by your own admission mean are weak fools under the squashing thumb of their government.

Let me tell you something, you can come on down to Kentucky and face off with this lady. Ain't no subterfuge in my defenses. No tears either.