Feminism: Destroying the Male and Female Relationship

Originally posted by FortAnthem
I posted this in my Women on top thread but, I think its worthy of repeating it here:



I think it would be very hard to find a more anti-feminine movement than the feminists. It is as if we made the notions of femininity subject to the whims of a group of misogynists.

They freed women to find jobs in the workplace but, now the world demands that women go to work. How is this freedom if you have no choice. The feminist movement has made it so that a woman cannot take it for granted that she will be able to spend time with her children as she will be forced to give 8 (at least) hours of her time to company instead of to her children.

She cannot even take marriage for granted; thanks to the feminists and their "equality" the marriage can be broken at the mere whim of one party. Women may feel that this is freedom because they have equal right to break the contract but, the burden of divorce falls disproportionately on women, especially the ones with children.

And now women are free to use their bodies to titillate men through pornography or pole dancing. Of course this only degrades the role women in the minds of men by turning them into mere sex objects. The sexual freedom "won" by women is used by men to justify jumping from bed to bed with no commitment. How should men feel bad for doing this when women are free to do the same? Who cares that most women seek more of an emotional connection for their satisfaction? They can settle for physical satisfaction now just like the guys they have envied for so long.

In becoming the equals with men, women have, for the most part, had to give up all of the things that made them women in the first place.

edit on 9/12/10 by FortAnthem because: fix link

Spot on, spot on. Both the male and female look at each other as a thing, and we wonder why family relationships are becoming extinct.

reply to post by ADUB77


We don't live in that society, thank god, and if we really are men, we should be working to make sure that the society we actually do live in never ends up looking like that one again.

Not engaging in adolescent chest beating and perverse infantilism about the coming apocalypse that will reduce all those sluts who hated us to the level of our willing and thankful concubines.

Above Top Secret isn't disturbing because of the wide variety of topics we are willing to discuss, it is disturbing because we always seem to go back to the same two, and they are both childish.

reply to post by King Loki


Master Key!

Well, for me personally, I see someone spreading it around like jelly, I think a couple things:

1. Trashy
2. Lacking in the ol' self-esteem


And these two lovely things apply to both the male and female of the species.
But, I'm old fashioned and southern, I guess.
Sex is a beautiful thing, but mindless humping is cheap.

This thread is kind of huge now, but I don't think it's gotten anywhere, really.
Nobody should be telling anyone else how to live their love lives.
Just find a partner who thinks like you, and then mind your own goddamn business.
You don't want to partner up with a feminist?
Ain't nobody holding a gun to your head.
You don't want a man who likes women to cook and clean?
Still ain't nobody holding a gun to your head.

The rest is just a bunch of whining.

As I stated before, there are many kinds of feminism.
There's infighting amongst feminists like you wouldn't believe.
They run the gamut from people like Andrea Dworkin, to others who champion the sex industry.
Pick a particular type of feminist to attack, at least. Otherwise, the arguments don't stick.

There is nothing wrong with Feminism,which is positive ,but nowadays ,women are too sensitive in this issue,they
overemphasize it.I think that if a woman always pay much attention on this,she will lose the heart of her husband.

reply to post by DaWhiz


I never stated as to whether I agree with the article in the OP or not. I'm just saying that personally, I would love to be able to stay at home.
If some man came and swept me off my feet, (and by 'man' I mean a REAL man, i.e. a hairy knuckled, devilishly handsome, beef jerky eatin, violent, beardy, butt-kickin, flannel wearin, phallic aggressive lumberjack) and wanted to work (making vast sums of money) while I stay at our million dollar home (that he paid for) and take care of the kids (drop them off at daycare), cook (order take out), and clean (call housekeeping three times a week) then I would be incredibly happy. I have no problem doing that. Where do I sign up?

Observations from an old guy:

I have lamented the state of our modern society for quite some time. And, here is why:

When I was a young man in high school (I graduated in 1961) I had the highest regard women. I had been brought up to respect the feminine gender and looked upon them as being the epitome of love and the very foundation of the family.

I was brought up to stand up when a woman entered the room, to open the door for them, to walk on the street side of the sidewalk when accompanied by a girl. I would never, ever, utter a curse word or a dirty joke in their presence.

As a young man, I was expected to find a nice young lady and get married, and raise a family. It was going to be my responsibility to provide for and protect my wife and my children...to work hard and at as many jobs as was necessary to provide from them.

The young girls I went to school with and dated were reserved, respectable and exemplified those attributes I had been taught to respect.

Men who cheated on their wives were not heroes or role models, but were, instead, regarded as womanizers and lacking in integrity. The family was the very foundation of society.

Then came the '60's and the pill and soon thereafter the "feminist" movement. This movement taught us that women should be able to have careers and eventually came to the point that a "housewife" was, somehow, the lowest form of human existence and being treated like a "lady" was an insult. Somehow, equality became competition. Instead of equality being a state of importance (an equal but different role in the family unit), it came to mean sexual freedom for both men and women. It is this point that has done more to damage the family unit than any other.

Sexual relations has become no more important than a handshake...except that now it is "sexual performance" that is important...just watch an episode of Sex and City or any of the many "sitcoms" pumped out on the airways every night. "Making love" has become the sexual olympics, no love, just athletics. If sex is no longer something special, how can marriage be special? It can't! And that is evident in society today. So, everyone suffers...especially the children. I see it all around me and I am glad I am not young and just starting out in life, there will be so much less to treasure.

Where I would have never dared to say a curse word in front of a lady, I now hear the most filthy language being used commonly by young girls in public. I overhear conversations between young girls about sexual exploits and even comparing the performance of one guy over another. And I ask myself how it is possible for this society to survive much longer. There is a lack of respect between male and female today and also between child and parent. If there is no respect at home, how can there be respect anywhere?

reply to post by Hopup Dave


I'm a lady. Usually.

however I also have wannabe alpha males shaping up to me because my mere existence makes them feel emasculated and so I respond accordingly. Just the word "emasculated" implies that having a penis makes a male more powerful by default. In some species this is true but with human beings it is not always the case. Who are the most powerful people in the world? They are certainly not all built like gladiators and they are not all men.. and many have inherited their power as it is still a partiachal society. Times are changing and women are now liberated after a millenia of being taught to be subservient. They are free to assert any intellectual superiority (if they have it) where as previously they were conditioned to keep their mouths shut.

Girls had to be taught subservience. Actual laws were put in place to ensure they did not deviate from these teachings. They had to keep it against the law for a woman to vote. Why? Because it was not natural for them not to have poliical opinions so they made it against the law and social convention to express them.

Thank godess they did anyway.

Late to the game here, but it's really very simple. If a man doesn't like a woman who engenders and epitomizes the more negative aspects (to him) of (what he views as) feminism, he should avoid her. And that theory works both ways. Where's the battle here on an individual or any level? The world, with all its many different kinds of people and cultures and attitudes, is never going to be exactly as we want it to be, so we carve our own relationships out of it and make our own way and choose the people we want to be with and work for/with for the long haul.. I just don't see this as an issue, I guess, or any kind of battle or strategic fight. Judge and be judged on individual merits and be happy with what you can control. I find it very easy to ignore or walk away from things that in the long haul really don't affect my world.

P.S. On a different note...kudos to the ATS ad engine...look what ad kept popping up as I read through this topic!

reply to post by christine76


"The difference in the way that I act and the way my co-workers act is SO different, but they were raised to be old fashioned whereas I was raised to be modern. They work, but they truly are submissivie to their husbands. They are definitely more "obedient" than I am."

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why does the bible say for women to be obedient???
It goes into the gig about the head of man is god, but the head of women is man......
doesn't that mean, that there is a man between you and God? And, well...if so, can you approach God without the man's assistance? what if the Man decides you should worship a tree instead? should you be obedient to his wishes?

Sarah and Abraham had entered egypt and well, the pharoah say how pretty Sarah was. Well, Abraham told sarah to tell him that abraham was his sister not that she was her husband....lest the he kill abraham to remove him from the picture....she was obedient and did what she was told. she told a half truth so big, with such big possibilities of repercussions, well, I would consider it a lie!! well, the phaoroah learned what was going it..it was revealed to him, and sent the two away before sarah found herself an adulterous.

so, well, to lie is sinful...to be obedient is righteous....but in this case the two collided, many times they will collide. so many times in fact, I have come to the conclusion that well.....God more than likely didn't say that.....it's man who said it!

The koran says something different, and something I think is more truthful....
because you are dependent on them, you should obey them!

ya, know, kind of like they took slaves from africa and sent them way over to the other side of the world, to a strange place, where people spoke a strange language, and there were all these strange plants the grew, and animals they never saw before....a place so strange to them, that they couldn't survive on their own. so, well, they were forced to be dependent, and because they were so, they were expected to be obedient.....

and welll, for those who are griping that women don't need them anymore....ummm....
who would you prefer to spend time with, those people at work that have to spend time with you because they need that paycheck, or a buddy that hangs out with you, simply because he wants to hang out with you?

need invokes fear.....fear is not a valid reason to do much of anything really....it interfers with logic.

Originally posted by MeSoCorny
reply to post by King Loki

 

A'men to that!

I'd love to be able to do nothing. Isn't that everyone's life goal? Do as little as possible and be happy doing it? Come on.

I like the old tradition of a man being a man and a woman being a woman. I'll clean and cook if he goes and does the work then comes home and we make sweet sweet love down by the fire. No problem there.

Do nothing? Raising children is the most difficult task in the world! Not to mention, the most important one. Sure, some women may stay home and "do nothing", but most stay at home moms work very hard. The perfect, the ideal is when the husband and wife have mutual respect for each other. If the husband really does provide and protect, and the wife really does nurture and love. If a rigid religion enters into the picture, the wife is not always a happy camper. Those particular men can become abusive. I would have loved to have been in a marriage where my husband provided, protected and respected me. My husband didn't provide for me. He was lazy and didn't want to work, so I had to get an extended education and go to work. Our marriage ended. Sadly, this is often the case. I want another husband. One who will provide and protect. I want to stay home now in my later years and enjoy what is left of live. I want nothing more than to love and nurture a husband who respects me. Overall, I agree that feminism has destroyed what women were meant to be. I see young girls (I teach middle school), who do dress and act like sluts. They talk sex and they talk rough and dirty. I sometimes think the boys feel they have no choice but to not date, or date a slut. Not all the girls are like that however.

reply to post by aero56


You misunderstand me. I'm not saying raising kids isn't a super tough job. I'm sure it is. I see the hell my mom had to go through with me. I'll bump my post from earlier regarding this :

If some man came and swept me off my feet, (and by 'man' I mean a REAL man, i.e. a hairy knuckled, devilishly handsome, beef jerky eatin, violent, beardy, butt-kickin, flannel wearin, phallic aggressive lumberjack) and wanted to work (making vast sums of money) while I stay at our million dollar home (that he paid for) and take care of the kids (drop them off at daycare), cook (order take out), and clean (call housekeeping three times a week) then I would be incredibly happy. I have no problem doing that. Where do I sign up?

reply to post by MeSoCorny


one of the tv stations, sounds like you'd be a perfect fit in "Dallas" or one of the other soaps????

why not throw in a chief, a nanny, and well a gardener, just in case you get bored with your husband?

reply to post by hotbakedtater


I noticed how you simply attacked the quoted articles instead of the overall message and talking points. We arent simply discussing a one sided opinion and I gave key talking points to discuss, not the overall article itself. I have said, in past posts on this thread, that Makow's opinion does not reflect mine entirely. He quite frequently throws in irrational and emotional bias and opinions into his articles in which I do not agree. As I have stated before, I dont always agree but he does touch on some good points and raise some decent questions. I referenced Makow and one other, because there are not many antifeminist writers now days as it is becoming less mainstream and more of a controversy due to pop culture and political correctness.

reply to post by riley


Excellent post riley! You make me want to go on a high heeled march through Washington!

I'm sick and tired of hearing about all this so-called feminist bullcrap.

Both men and women just want to survive and get ahead in life whether thats with or without a partner. Deal with it and move on.

reply to post by MeSoCorny


I am a stay-at-home housewife.I haven't worked
outside of my home for nearly 9 years.I am not
arm candy by a long shot.I have to do my own
housework,arm candy would have hired help.

True feminist are rare, if they exist now at all. If honest feminist who believed in equality and respect between male and female exists, then they would be supporting male rights as well.
Like I have said in another post, those so called "feminist" want male domination in the guise of female empowerment. They are not feminist, but feminazis.

As long as there is a strong community the family can safely dissolve. But then again maybe countries should be a thing of the pass as well, separation/boarder has only brought excuse to hate each other.

Less excuse to hate would bring more chances of love.

Originally posted by rusethorcain
reply to post by AzoriaCorp

 

Highly offensive, simplistic and part of someones opinionated and not so scientific nor even sentient blog.
Someone with an axe to grind no less.

I wonder where these people come from?
Some cryonics subjects from the 40's thawing out?

The pill changed everything. Get used to it.

edit on 12-9-2010 by rusethorcain because: I spelled "and" wrong if you must know.

You're an idiot, the pill actually screws over the women who take it.
The pill isn't natural and is a mild chemical poison.
Yes the pill did change everything, but it also caused a lot of misery and screwed up things too...

Originally posted by cybernetic_dude
True feminist are rare, if they exist now at all. If honest feminist who believed in equality and respect between male and female exists, then they would be supporting male rights as well.
Like I have said in another post, those so called "feminist" want male domination in the guise of female empowerment. They are not feminist, but feminazis.

So true, the real feminists never hated men, they stood against the corrupt patriarchal system that's began in pre-Roman times.
It's that same system that sets men against women. These feminazi's are just repeaters and tools used to antagonise and inflame.