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Feminism: Destroying the Male and Female Relationship

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posted on Sep, 13 2010 @ 02:38 PM
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Originally posted by KrillsAngelWings

Originally posted by YayMayorBee
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Not saying its right or wrong either way but women in the work force has lowered the respect women give men.

Women are now raised thinking "they dont need a man"


We shouldnt be raised thinking we need a man to have a life we love either


I don't think that is what is being implied at all. Again if you are looking at this whole issue from the perspective as husband = oppressor family = burden then ya this whole article will fall on def ears.


What i find rather interesting is that it appears everyone loves and values their "family" the most in almost all situations but yet they seem very apprehensive and paranoid about actually creating a family of their own with children of their own in a relationship of their own, its almost like mommy and daddy, bro's and sisters are all they will ever need in thier life, which I think personally is selling yourself short of a great life experience but hey, to each their own. Just make sure that if you chose not to participate in your own creation of a family its not because of these inbeded perceptions that husband = oppressor and family = burden, because if you do, you're being fooled as those are not at all what those represent and I can tell you from personal experience.

My wife and I are both fiercely independant and its rather ironic because the whole reason we first started dating is because we both KNEW we didn't want marriage or kids....we were convienient for eachother to date because there were no expectations which works amazingly well for independent people.

Not 6 months later we were engaged, 4 months later married, and a year and a half later, one month away from our first child and not one time was I afraid of being burdened by a family, or oppressed by my spouce. Still to this day we are as independant as we were before we met and we realise that is the foundation our relationship lies on.

This article is just calling to light that there is an obvious missrepresentation of the "family dynamic" to instill a sense of apprehensive, paranoid, fear based reaction to "relationships" and "family" and trust me it is intentional, ALL THINGS on TV are intended it is THE most calculated business on earth.

One more thing:

My wife makes more money than I do and many people ask me if that bother me or makes me feel like less of a man. It doesn't bother me one bit and here is why, I/we do not put either of eachothers value in the amount of money we bring in, only in the amount of effort being put into the family. We as a couple decided that competeing with eachother over how much we make is absolutely asinine and childish so we don't even think on that wavelength, and because of that we aren't fighting or competing with eachother over "stuff" that ultimately hurts the family more than benefits it.

My personal belief is that women were designed to be care-givers and men were designed to be providers. It just seems so incredibly obvious and consistant from the moment of conception. So obviously the tradition women stay home with children and men go out and hunt/provide whatever is very consistant with eachother's roles during pregnancy.

Thinking that the intent behind women staying home with children is to disempower and burden them is exactly what was intened to break the family structure up and disempower the family. Women by NATURE have to CARE for the children much much more then men do, its a fact so get used to that. Women lactate for a reason and its not to ruin your t-shirt. There is a reason you carry that child inside of you for the better part of a year. There is a reason there is a reason there is a reason, and its the natural way of things. No amount of feminism, womens rights movements, bras burned, laws, regulations, or protests will ever ever ever change those facts of life.

I have seen a difference between the generations on how they VIEW the whole issue, just find an older lady pre-womens rights and talk to her about it, you will see. Older women embraced their pregnancy and viewed it as a blessing/privledge to be the ones who were chosen by nature to carry the child and give birth to the child, THAT was empowering to them. They love their families and love their husbands and the respect was mutual because each knew their natural parts.

NOW, women view pregnancy as a burden, a curse, a problem, "oh why do I have to be the pregnant one?", oh "why can't you be the one carrying this baby", on and on....its a complete 180 flip in perspective.

Just go talk to younger pregnant women of this new generation or more specificly the ones who's intellectual age peaked around the time of the womens rights movements, you will SEE a difference in how they view their roles in the family.




posted on Sep, 13 2010 @ 02:51 PM
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Women that hunt and gather (mostly single mothers) do so to survive so that she and her children can have a roof over their heads, food in their mouths and clothes on their backs. Where is the father of her children? Dead, in jail, or run off to "greener" pastures. Hardly her choice but a matter of survival.

Women who hunt (career women) got an education and chose to hold off gathering until she's financially secure so that she can give her own children a good head start in life.

So how does feminism come in to the above equations?



posted on Sep, 13 2010 @ 03:00 PM
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Here is something to think about...
I used to work at a retail store for three and a half years; it was my first highschool job. Once my boss hired this tweaker chick who thought she was the hottest thing in the world. He ends up accusing me of molesting her (later find out my boss was showing favoritism and wanted me fired)
I was so angry and confused, because I was always nice, and very respectful of people's space. What did I do to deserve that?! She ends up getting fired for stealing hundreds of dollars in a span of a month and the manager getting fired for underpaying me and showing favoritism to her.

The funny part is I ended up quitting my job because one of the lady supervisors was touching me a lot (was doing it for over a year) I didn't want to make a big stink about it and get her fired since that would weigh on my conscience I just let it go.

But hey, men are the ones discriminating in the work place right? Give me a break. What about me? I was accused of molesting someone, and was molested myself? WTF


edit on 13-9-2010 by hentaiboy22 because: (no reason given)



posted on Sep, 13 2010 @ 03:06 PM
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Man I am running out of time for this straw man arguement. Who ever said all feminists support corrupt practices and using your gender to get ahead. to replace misogyny with misandry and not equality. so the next time a blond haired guy does you something wrong will you draw it up into the unified theory of blonde haired men want to oppress the world?

Try to read and understand a selection of feminist writers. You could even read "the female Eunuch" by Germaine Greer.



posted on Sep, 13 2010 @ 03:19 PM
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I agree with you. I Just thought it was an odd scenario that happened to me; figured I should tell it for the sake of telling it. I don't mistrust or hate women, and don't believe all of them of a hidden agenda to go up the ranks....

I just thought it broke the stereotype a little



posted on Sep, 13 2010 @ 03:20 PM
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I agree with some parts of the article but i utterly disagree with various other parts and i especially don't like the general tone which is most certainly one of a man who thinks women should "be in the home". I also don't like some of the extreme feminists which have popped up in this thread, even on the first page.

For a long time i've had a massive problem with feminism. At the start i think it was a genuinely good movement, simply calling for the equality of women and men, however it was quickly hijacked by extremists as so many good movements are. It is now run by women who believe all men are scumbags/potential rapists/ oppressors. This is why i no longer call myself a feminist, i'm an equalist.

I understand that men and women both have advantages/disadvantages relative to one another. For example women, generally speaking far excel men when it comes to languages, multi tasking and a number of other things. This is why i honestly believe women make better managers, translators and even stock brokers (women tend to look at the long term gain rather than the short term thrill). However men generally speaking make better soldiers, mathematicians and excel at certain sciences. We need to embrace our differences while encouraging equal rights.

However the feminist movement has gone beyond equality and seems to pick and choose the parts of the male world they like and bin the parts they dislike. For example if a woman leaves her husband and takes the kids then the man can't do anything really. He can call the police and they'll tell him to go through the courts. Now if a man takes the kids and the woman is left behind she can call the cops and it'll be considered a kidnapping! That man will end up in prison and won't see his children. In court the women tend to get the kids even if the man is the more stable partner, the man usually has to pay the woman, the man usually gets less rights in a divorce etc etc.


And i don't have kids so i'm not being bitter here.


This is why i'm an equalist, because the feminist movement has been utterly ruined by women who have a major chip on their shoulder. These are women who say that they are absolutely equal in every way and yet demand equalising measures in the army where women have to do less than men. This isn't to say women aren't good solders i would only ask that if we are to actually apply equality that they do the same things in the same way.

This goes for everything including the corporate world where businesses are forced to employ a certain number of women, even if a woman is less qualified she can get the job over a man because the business is fearful of being sued.

A small percentage of women ruined the feminist movement for others. So please, fellow feminists, become an equalist.



posted on Sep, 13 2010 @ 03:47 PM
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Am I too late?...

Has some one married MeSoCorny yet?



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I challenge anyone who has to a duel for the ladies honour!



posted on Sep, 13 2010 @ 03:55 PM
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Sorry man I can off a bit tooo rough. Just make sure that you don't let a few idiots spoil your life. Some feminists are not even feminists just horrors that will hide behind any social movemetn to get ahead. There are some great women out there who are looking for great guys. ..

Don't join the whiny loosers.



posted on Sep, 13 2010 @ 04:11 PM
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Originally posted by Big Raging Loner
Am I too late?...

Has some one married MeSoCorny yet?



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I challenge anyone who has to a duel for the ladies honour!


I'm not someone who cares that much about looks but if we're talking trophy husband/wife then it's all about looks and little else. So if you want a dual then i want proof of said ladies looks, if hot enough i will dual you sir/madam. I suggest feather dusters at dawn, the first to laugh loses.

Accept my challenge or be labelled a coward!



posted on Sep, 13 2010 @ 05:14 PM
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Yay! I've been looking for a relevant thread to post this in for ages!




edit on 13-9-2010 by DaMod because: (no reason given)



posted on Sep, 13 2010 @ 05:28 PM
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Why would I want to be financially dependent on a man? Or ANYONE for that matter.


The OP talks about it if it were a bad thing to want to be able to support yourself.



posted on Sep, 13 2010 @ 05:36 PM
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Originally posted by mnmcandiez
Why would I want to be financially dependent on a man? Or ANYONE for that matter.


The OP talks about it if it were a bad thing to want to be able to support yourself.


This attitude is inline with that of the original feminists, however feminism has been hijacked by women who utterly hate men. You should consider yourself an equalist, it's a term i'm trying to persuade as many people as possible to start using because it includes everyone


People who hate women being equal tend to be sexist men who hate the fact they no longer have a women to do everything they want. Pretty sad really. However there are just as many women who seem to think they are superior to men in most ways, that men have messed up the entire world and women need to take over. That to me is scary.



posted on Sep, 13 2010 @ 05:37 PM
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What kinda porn are you watching? If it isn't a fetish niche porn then it is just standard sex minus all the making out and neck kissing.

I've never had this problem with guys because I can communicate and tell them what I want them to do. Don't assume they can read your mind, speak up next time.



posted on Sep, 13 2010 @ 05:40 PM
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That is an extreme minority of feminists I mean TINY. Why are you generalizing militant feminists with "equalists"?

You're actually giving feminism a bad name. Feminism = equal rights for women

You are doing exactly what the MSM did to the Tea Party movement.



edit on 9/13/2010 by mnmcandiez because: (no reason given)



posted on Sep, 13 2010 @ 05:40 PM
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I agree with you whole heartedly.



posted on Sep, 13 2010 @ 05:42 PM
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Has that amount of time went by, I guess it is time for another of these threads....I read the ops link and the guy who wrote it is full of it...but has some good points...females take this feminism thing to far...It may have served a purpose in the past... some got more rights, some got less rights, and some made more money off this ism.... but ultimately things got more technological, but men and women stayed the same.

They want to be independent, whatever that means, good for them let them, more options more better, they cant rely on men, as the past has shown, and in the future they might not be able to rely on men at all...making things more equal...This thing was going to be like this either way and no matter what them Rockefeller's says... they didn't engineer #...they just took advantage of a trend...they capitalized...it's pretty obvious that this system we all live in is not powerful enough so as no one slips throw the cracks...And people will be people, so if you married a guy, and he is a tyrant in marriage, and leaves you for somebody else or whatever, then it's obvious it was never gonna work in the first place, so its a personal thing not a collective feminist thing...And women to can be tyrants, as if that was not obvious, and yes they get with guys for reasons that are all known, there is a reason why they all watch stupid shows, or that Oprah crap, yes females are all crazy..... Ultimately this thing from afar is more clear, its all about survival and power. You can't destabilize society through feminism...society has always been destabilized...and some feminists need to get a life, they aren't the only ones with problems... in fact there plight is easy compared to some.... And no, men were never equal, or will be equal, it was always a rat race for propagation... by riches and things that attract females...its simple... no big secret to being a man... it's like this, when you got stuff and going places, females like you and your like
... when you don't and aren't going places, females dont like you and your like
So how can women be equal with men when men aren't equal with men?... Feminism today is just a power trip...Females are just lazy, they don't want to go and look for things for themselves, or whatever they are searching for, because they got so used to men doing that for them or things coming to them, so they all wait around for more "options", or use sex as a weapon, then cry when the dudes they attract with that weapon are all about sex, I mean come on..... and they think that getting a degree in this or that means something, I mean don't get me wrong its impressive, and more power to you, I couldn't do it...I can't stand still for long, and my mind always wonders..... but concerning some things it don't mean squat, society is a game that we all play along with....if they really would want to be equal, then I guess men would get to treat them like other men, since it we seem to get burdened with the responsibility of ruling the world....men rule the world...that is the stupidest feminist thing ever....who in there right minds would want to do that...ever hear of Damocles dagger...that would be work and no man want to rule anything... because that would be lots of work... but if we have to, we will if it gets us some chicks... And sure as hell men don't help each other out, it's each man for himself, at least concerning women..... the rest is.... you don't start #, and I wont knock your head off.... that is the ancient male bond.....were all buddy's.



posted on Sep, 13 2010 @ 05:44 PM
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Originally posted by mnmcandiez
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That is an extreme minority of feminists I mean TINY. Why are you generalizing militant feminists with "equalists"?


Because quite simply it is no longer a tiny minority of feminists who are extremists and even so the very word feminist is not equal. So dump that word, become an equalist and include everyone in the struggle for true equality. You might want to check out feminism in relation to divorce law and the modern court system.

Using the word feminist is itself an unequal action.

Whats so wrong with equalism which includes men and women, gay and straight, black and white?



posted on Sep, 13 2010 @ 05:53 PM
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Are you serious? There will always be separate interest groups. That is how the people work, they feel passionate about one subject and start a group around it.

Like dog rescue groups. There are specific breed rescues as well as all breed rescues. This doesn't mean the specific breed rescue doesn't care about any other breed. It just means that person who started it feels more strongly about one breed or has a closer relationship to that kind.



posted on Sep, 13 2010 @ 06:05 PM
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There is a great deal of difference between a group preferring a certain species and one preferring a section within a species. I understand how it might seem revolutionary to support equalism but hey the feminists were revolutionary
You're just to blinded by your extremist feminism to see that all people deserve the same rights.

If you are saying that your preferred group is feminism then you are a sexist because you are supporting a group that prefers women. Oh and before you deny that please understand that the very word feminism is sexist as it includes the female rather than the male
Understand also that some of the leading lights of feminism (Germaine Greer for example) hate men and speak openly about men being useless and unecessary!

You see this is how equality works, either you have true equality or you have selective equality and you most certainly seem to prefer the latter.



posted on Sep, 13 2010 @ 06:27 PM
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Originally posted by ImaginaryReality1984

Originally posted by Big Raging Loner
Am I too late?...

Has some one married MeSoCorny yet?



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I challenge anyone who has to a duel for the ladies honour!


I'm not someone who cares that much about looks but if we're talking trophy husband/wife then it's all about looks and little else. So if you want a dual then i want proof of said ladies looks, if hot enough i will dual you sir/madam. I suggest feather dusters at dawn, the first to laugh loses.

Accept my challenge or be labelled a coward!


She writes delightfully, and appears to enjoy innuendo and is therefore my ideal woman personified! I accept thy challenge of dustery.

-Monologue (Little does he know I will have coated myself in a thick layer of vaseline, and drunk a bottle of scotch before the duel, rendering my senses completely numb)

Yes indeed sir, first to LAUGH loses.

*Stiffled chuckle


edit on 13-9-2010 by Big Raging Loner because: To remove the word that was supposed to mean giggling, but was instead automatically replaced by "s n-word"



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