Feminism: Destroying the Male and Female Relationship

reply to post by ImaginaryReality1984

Originally posted by bluemirage5 reply to post by ImaginaryReality1984
Men do come in handy when we need to procriate but I need more to go on...perhaps you could add to my list and I'll see if I can do it myself

Yep sexist, well done.

Wait... I can be more sexist...

I tell my boyfriend I could easily trade him in for a rider mower and an electric can opener.
I already have the dil...

reply to post by rusethorcain


Awwww, you're tough. LOL

I'm serious.....other than procriating I'm trying to figure out what further uses they have that I have'nt thought of that I can and so already myself. I'm not sexist, I just believe women are capable of more than they realise.

If I had a choice between a husband and a ride on mower, gee looks like I will have to mow the lawns...oh hang on, $50.00 for gardener is cheaper option than marrying one

reply to post by rusethorcain


Plus,a battery operated 'companion',doesn't
raid your refrigerator and drink all your beer.
I no longer drink alcohol,but I remember my
old life style.

reply to post by mamabeth


Yep, I remember my old lifestyle too. I get to keep every cent I make and my bed smells like flowers now

As a woman, I also would love to be part of a stable family but your post is referring that is only the woman's duty to do this. I'm not old enough to have grown up when the chastity belt was used but what is wrong with sharing the life, all inclusive, instead of expecting a woman to have nothing other than her DUTY to her man? That's just gay dude. No human being is owned by any other and I'm not feminist but I really despise control freaks that have no sense of negotiation. Humans that behave in that way are megalomaniac bullies and that in itself is enough to 'destabilise' relationships.

reply to post by bernal


I didn't grow up during the 'chastity belt' era also.
Though my dad was pretty strict.If I did live during
those bad old days,I would have probably learned
to pick locks.

reply to post by bernal


The overall message here isn’t implied ownership of a male over a female. Its undermining NATURAL roles that men and women NATURALLY want to have fulfilled. Most women want family; to nurture and love a mate and children. Women naturally want to be loved by their men in whom their roles are to protect, provide, and love in return for women's natural qualities that they want to give. Its not about simple ownership, it’s about a symbiotic relationship. Working together as two separate genders. You missed the entire message and flipped it to where it’s negative and about control. Feminism is what does this, giving the average family and love relationship between men and women a negative perception and projects a false precedent about men "owning" their women. You're a victim of feminism and didn’t even know it.

Everyone as a whole wants love, not just women.

I love my family very much but to stereotype either gender as having a particular role in life is restrictive.

After glancing at the link also I noted about girls becoming slags etc as they're taught sex is ok outside of marriage and partnership.

Cummon, save me the moral high ground BS. I love sex and I'm not going to deny that, doesn't mean I'm a trollop/slag/hussy/unclean because I'm female. If I wank does that make me a sinner? Am I going to hell if I like to watch porn? If I leave the house and look at another man will I get stoned to death?

Lets flip this over to the other side. Misogyny. Does that make the world a better place? To treat women as lesser beings, object even?

I see everyone as equal, assholes and all but to state its merely feminism that is ruining the worlds relations is once again gender biased.

If you seriously think that humans shouldn't develop themselves on a personal level as well as with others you have a very narrow view on life.

You'll have to excuse me now as I'm off to burn my lingerie collection while dancing to KD Lang.

reply to post by bluemirage5


Two things.

1. If a man were to make these jokes about a woman then he would be labelled a chauvinist.

2. If you're not joking then it just proves my point about extremist feminism.

It seems when someone asks for true equality you are not willing to support that.

reply to post by AzoriaCorp


Men are supposed to protect, provide and love their women and children while women nuture, cook and clean? Is'nt that social grooming? What happens when the men don't live up to those expectations? And what if women choose another path, like a career? She should be stopped in her tracks to suit the male ego?

The ship has sailed already and women are not waiting around for some white shining knight to sweep her off her feet, she has a mouth to feed, to put clothes on her back and a roof over her head. Men today are not anything like their forefathers of past generations. Women (and single mothers with children) have to survive too. Perhaps when men realise that marriage is a partnership of two souls becoming one and not treating women like property and loving her conditionally then the gap will close again as it once was.

Women generally want to be protected, provided for and loved for who she is, not what she is and men today are not taking their responsibilities seriously. When you look at the awful stats of domestic violence, the overflow in the family court system and the overworked and understaffed child support agencies - that tells me I'm not far from the truth.

reply to post by ImaginaryReality1984


Yeah, I'm a female chauvinist but I worked hard to become one! Do you know how many years it took to get where I am now? No man gets a free ride with me, they earn it and by god if they can't negotiate their way around that then they are not worthy of my time...but they can come mow my lawns for $50.00 and if they do a good job I might offer them a glass of cold water.

who says men are supposed to protect and provide? who says women are supposed to nuture etc? Bless you but who says? do you believe everything you are told?
I'm semi joking on this one and if you read my posts i talk about both being expected not just women so how exactly is that lesbot feminism? Love the automatic labelling system we have going on here.

True equality is about giving and taking respectively no expectations no demands. Balance.

I find this thread quite amusing. Each living creature is entitled to opinions, goals etc life is to be lived not to be contained and conformed and that goes BOTH ways (look i sound like a lesbian ooooooh)

Its true there are more single mothers now than before, our generation is far different to the older folks, we're more materialistic and judgemental. Not just women, everyone is. Especially in places like london where the media is forced down your throat everywhere you go.

Originally posted by bernal

I love my family very much but to stereotype either gender as having a particular role in life is restrictive.

I don’t like the word "stereotype" because of the animosity it provokes, Its more a type of perception many women (not all) have, which in turns, creates a negative perception of women by men.(not all)
Nothing is restrictive about wanting to have a meaningful and healthy relationship with the opposite sex. More feministic rhetoric.

After glancing at the link also I noted about girls becoming slags etc as they're taught sex is ok outside of marriage and partnership.

Well that IS how it is these days. Sex should be more than just "getting off" However that is just an opinion, and you dont have to agree, but many feminists feel that they are mature and strong, but yet they feel "getting off" at the risk of STDs are priority over anything else, including focusing on a true relationship and developing a healthy family.

Cummon, save me the moral high ground BS. I love sex and I'm not going to deny that, doesn't mean I'm a trollop/slag/hussy/unclean because I'm female. If I wank does that make me a sinner? Am I going to hell if I like to watch porn? If I leave the house and look at another man will I get stoned to death?

Now you're just being sarcastic and trying to patronize the argument. "moral high ground BS"?? Is there something wrong with not wanting to be a whore? Someone wanting to save sex for marriage (or meaningful relationship) isn’t BS and is quite respectable, regardless of religion.

Lets flip this over to the other side. Misogyny. Does that make the world a better place? To treat women as lesser beings, object even?

Never said this or implied it. You're trying to manipulate my intentions and actively putting words in my mouth. Feminism is a projected perception that affects both men and women negatively. Both genders ARE equal. Always were. However, they have different roles that nature intended that are being undermined to destroy the relations of men and women.

I dont feel these natural roles genders have should be LAW in any way. I think that is what you're confusing here. People should be able to do and think as they please, however, the point I am trying to make is that, the key to having a healthy and happy relationship with men and women is to just let men be men and women be women. Women should not try to undermine men's qualities by trying to compete with them and men need to try to trust women and respect them as individuals and as their mates.

You'll have to excuse me now as I'm off to burn my lingerie collection while dancing to KD Lang.

You're insecurity with this debate is evident as you repeatedly use sarcasm to defend your position. Lets try to be mature about this shall we?

Originally posted by bluemirage5
reply to post by ImaginaryReality1984

 

Yeah, I'm a female chauvinist but I worked hard to become one! Do you know how many years it took to get where I am now? No man gets a free ride with me, they earn it and by god if they can't negotiate their way around that then they are not worthy of my time...but they can come mow my lawns for $50.00 and if they do a good job I might offer them a glass of cold water.

Trying to get me angry won't work

I'm afraid you are simply proving my point no matter which stance you are adopting here. If you're just joking then you are playing a double standard where you can make jokes about men but when a man makes a joke about a woman he'll be in trouble pretty quickly and called a pig. If you're serious then you prove the point that feminism has been destroyed by bitter women who want to punish men.

Equality is a good thing, spreading hatred is not.

LOL!! if you cannot handle the fact that our generation is not the same as the older ones than you are clearly against progress. It goes both ways dude, everything does as said balance. without balance you can lay your blame wherever you like (as you clearly are) but if both do NOT work TOGETHER respectably than BOTH are at fault.

Do you watch the telly? more than likely. Does it not irk you that all men on telly are fit and attractive?

Same goes for us, which is why I avoid it now.

The media is a major player in destabilising relationships. There's sod all feminist about that dude.

I've had many a full-on sexist male friend so know the difference between chauvinism and jesting/suggestion,

ie "i want a skinny 16 year old slag to come and clean my house naked"

I'm not kidding, but he is still a mate of mine, his past has made him what he is as has everyone else's.

To say that feminism alone has caused this is once again judgemental and without really looking at the whole picture. call me what you like but its not my fault you think women with opinions should be labelled. I'm not saying anything offensive to males here so thats a tad different to the definition of misogyny, or am I not allowed to do that without being automatically classified???

@AzoriaCorp my point is we should all have a choice in what we do. What do you define as a healthy relationship?? as from what i have seen (only read the initial post so the rest is oblivious to me) its still about having expectations on others not allowances. If a woman chooses to be chaste she chooses to be chaste if she she doesn't she is now a whore??? hmmm interesting wording you've used there and isn't making your debate look very justified either.

reply to post by ImaginaryReality1984


I have never called a man a pig. I don't work like that.

A pig is a pig,
a man is a man,
a coward is a coward.

Ok, if you don't mow lawns for $50.00, can you do a foot scrub for $10.00 ?

reply to post by AzoriaCorp


Did you take a poll today? Can you source the most women want to be mommy's and caretakers and fuflill "roles"?

Is this a chirstian concept??

reply to post by bernal


But I like Denzil Washington, Sean Connery, Arnie Schwazenegger, Matt Damon, and that Johnny Depp is a bit of a cutie but Al Pacino tops my list

Originally posted by bernal
@AzoriaCorp my point is we should all have a choice in what we do. What do you define as a healthy relationship?? as from what i have seen (only read the initial post so the rest is oblivious to me) its still about having expectations on others not allowances. If a woman chooses to be chaste she chooses to be chaste if she she doesn't she is now a whore??? hmmm interesting wording you've used there and isn't making your debate look very justified either.

A healthy relationship is a man and woman loving and respecting eachother for who they are. Not only their personalities but their genders as well. Most men have a natural instinct to provide and protect women. This is why when a man and woman go on a date its tradition for the male to pay. You speak of equality but isnt this inequality? No, its not inequality, its just a man being a man. Men enjoy being able to provide for their women and therefore women feel loved, and in turn, they return that love by expressing it physically (sex) or other affection. This being many examples of gender roles in a male and female relationship. If a feminist refuses to allow the male to pay for the dinner, refuses to allow him to open the door for her, the male feels somewhat emasculated, useless, and somewhat challenged. This creating tension in the relationship from the start. This is a simple example and does not apply everywhere or with everyone.

Im not trying to justify anything, Im simply stating that men and women have a certain animosity for eachother because of a false perception they have for eachother provoked by media, magazines, and entertainment. The problem is that men need to be men to feel like men. Women also the same, and sometimes dont know when to get out of their own way by not analyzing everything so that love can take root and a relationship may have full potential.