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Feminism: Destroying the Male and Female Relationship

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posted on Sep, 16 2010 @ 05:31 AM
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Originally posted by Dark Ghost
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This is a classic example of a woman manipulating a man for her own interests. You got everything you could out of him and made it seem like you were keen. I bet you felt a sense of satisfaction in making him spend so much money on the date just so that you could brush him off after. Inviting him back to your place after he spent his weekly wage on your meal was a nice touch for your twisted ego.

And Feminists wonder why there are men with Misogynist attitudes?

In fact there have been a couple of occasions where a man had insisted he pay even after I've declined and went ahead and did it anyway in order to try obligate me. I find this "over-ruling" me very rude. Paying for coffee or dinner is not a purchase of sex or further romantic interaction. Who pays the bill? Sometimes whoever asked for the date does, or they can split it, or if he genuinely just wants to be old fashioned and she doesn't mind then she can let him pay. Ultimately however if "who pays" is such a big deal then the date must be going pretty badly. Paying for dinner is not paying fo sex.. there is even a whole ritual called [bi]seduction that has nothing to do with money. If a man thinks it's logical to pay a stupid amount on dinner on a woman who is not prostitute in order to get sex like she's a trained seal he's obviously thinking with the wrong brain and perhaps should not consider pornos dating instruction videos.

Something else that greatly irked me was having some random guy put a drink in front of me after I'd already declined one. I got called "ungrateful bitch" after refusing to drink it but for all I know it might have been spiked.. and even if it wasn't it was still an attempt to dominate and impose himself which of course meant he retreated with his tail between his legs.


Courting and seduction are art forms.. if guys think that money is all women respond to then thats the only kind of women they'll attract.


edit on 16-9-2010 by riley because: typo and fixed quotes




posted on Sep, 16 2010 @ 05:34 AM
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i would like to see a picture, there's no point having a trophy unless it is highly polished



posted on Sep, 16 2010 @ 07:29 AM
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What? So I should had asked my date what's his budget to prove how cheap he is? Then he should had been smart enough to take me to a bistro at the pub instead! Not my problem. I'm well aware many (not all) men are nothing but cheap scates!!! If you can't afford to take a woman out to a decent eatery, see how far you'll get taking her to Subway!



posted on Sep, 16 2010 @ 07:38 AM
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Originally posted by bluemirage5
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Absolutely not, I'm just letting you know I allowed my date to pay for dinner like a good woman should


How very sarcastic and cynical as usual.

I am really starting to doubt this guy "threw" himself on you, or if its just your outlandish exaggerated perception on how the date ended; based off of your overall attitude and animosity, you seem bitter, materialistic, and shallow.

All over one date...


edit on 16-9-2010 by AzoriaCorp because: no



posted on Sep, 16 2010 @ 07:38 AM
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No arguements there. Problem is, so many men do tend to see paying as a ticket to a free bonk. I never brought in to it myself; it was hard when you're the only one enjoying it.



posted on Sep, 16 2010 @ 07:57 AM
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Does'nt matter what women do or say, you men always whinge when things don't quite go your way.

Men, today, lack skills in communication and negotiating with women. That's the problem!!!



posted on Sep, 16 2010 @ 08:29 AM
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Originally posted by bluemirage5
reply to post by AzoriaCorp
 


Does'nt matter what women do or say, you men always whinge when things don't quite go your way.

Men, today, lack skills in communication and negotiating with women. That's the problem!!!


Your true colors finally show. Congratulations! You're the poster child of feminism...



posted on Sep, 16 2010 @ 08:33 AM
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Originally posted by bluemirage5
reply to post by AzoriaCorp
 


Does'nt matter what women do or say, you men always whinge when things don't quite go your way.

Men, today, lack skills in communication and negotiating with women. That's the problem!!!

Often some men act as though they are negotiating for goods and services when they are dating. They need to learn how to relate to women not barter for them.



posted on Sep, 16 2010 @ 08:43 AM
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Originally posted by riley

Originally posted by bluemirage5
reply to post by AzoriaCorp
 


Does'nt matter what women do or say, you men always whinge when things don't quite go your way.

Men, today, lack skills in communication and negotiating with women. That's the problem!!!

Often some men act as though they are negotiating for goods and services when they are dating. They need to learn how to relate to women not barter for them.


I hope people take note that you said SOME men are lacking in skills. However, some women are as well. Some women feel they must be worshipped to give a man the time of day.

Most men, who want to date, want a relationship. So, they are not "bartering" for services. If that were true, like some have already said, they would just go the easy route for a prostitute, or the local slut.

Women just simply having the attitude that, "he only asked me on a date to get in my pants" is in itself, part of the problem and for the most part, doomed the date and the potential relationship.



posted on Sep, 16 2010 @ 08:51 AM
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In the modern world men CAN'T "relate" to woman.

You go try it and see what happens lol.

Women need to understand a pretty basic part of interaction (this may or may not apply to you as I don't know you).

It is a two way street, it is not up to me "the man" to relate to you!

It is up to both of us to find common relative points.



posted on Sep, 16 2010 @ 08:54 AM
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Thats called communication or shall we say lack of!

Perhaps I should had been more clearer...my fault. When it comes to marriage, this needs the skills of two people to negotiate the terms of the marriage "contract". Strangely as it may seem but the financials, kids, etc should had been well thought out and openly discussed first before heading in to married life.



posted on Sep, 16 2010 @ 09:07 AM
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I said SOME men because not all are sheisters and shmuks. For every 100 males out there, there's 1 thats worth more than any weight in gold.

What I also have a problem is, the disturbing trend of dishonesty among males out there.

If you insist on calling me a feminist, then have it your way and I'll become one.



posted on Sep, 16 2010 @ 09:21 AM
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Originally posted by bluemirage5
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Thats called communication or shall we say lack of!

Perhaps I should had been more clearer...my fault. When it comes to marriage, this needs the skills of two people to negotiate the terms of the marriage "contract". Strangely as it may seem but the financials, kids, etc should had been well thought out and openly discussed first before heading in to married life.


You just said men dont know how to communicate or relate to women because they rather negotiate for services. Now you're stating marriage is a contract and terms need negotiated? You're bouncing around so much on subjects; your points are becoming almost too obscure to even comprehend.

I dont feel marriage is a "contract" in any way nor do I feel the understandings and common respect for one another, are "terms"

This is common propagandic rhetoric to undermine the values of marriage.


I said SOME men because not all are sheisters and shmuks. For every 100 males out there, there's 1 thats worth more than any weight in gold.
What I also have a problem is, the disturbing trend of dishonesty among males out there.
If you insist on calling me a feminist, then have it your way and I'll become one.


Being feminist isnt a crime nor is it necessarily an insult, more of a personal perspective on life, aside from having negative impacts on men and women's relationships, it doesnt make you the devil. So stop taking such offense to the discussion.



edit on 16-9-2010 by AzoriaCorp because: misread poster's quote (retracted my statements)



posted on Sep, 16 2010 @ 09:30 AM
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Originally posted by AzoriaCorp

Originally posted by riley

Originally posted by bluemirage5
reply to post by AzoriaCorp
 


Does'nt matter what women do or say, you men always whinge when things don't quite go your way.

Men, today, lack skills in communication and negotiating with women. That's the problem!!!

Often some men act as though they are negotiating for goods and services when they are dating. They need to learn how to relate to women not barter for them.


I hope people take note that you said SOME men are lacking in skills. However, some women are as well. Some women feel they must be worshipped to give a man the time of day.

Some.. yes I'm sure they don't need you to point it out. If a woman "must" be worshiped to give a man the time of day maybe he should find someone more on his level. At least if a woman is just fussy she's not actively trying to dominate or impose herself like the kind of men I was talking about. If I find a man unattractive (mentally or physically) worshiping me wouldn't make a difference he's still going to get rejected. Thats life.

Most men, who want to date, want a relationship. So, they are not "bartering" for services. If that were true, like some have already said, they would just go the easy route for a prostitute, or the local slut.

No man goes on a romantic date hoping to have a wild platonic affair.. ALL men who want a date and also want a relationship still want to have sex. There is nothing wrong with that but I was obviously talking about men who try to obligate women into having sex with them who perhaps don't want to.

Women just simply having the attitude that, "he only asked me on a date to get in my pants" is in itself, part of the problem and for the most part, doomed the date and the potential relationship.

Women can tell what a man wants and what his motives are.. and women don't mind if the sexual attraction is mutual but if she feels no chemistry and you're not her type then no she won't be giving you the time of day. Why should she?



posted on Sep, 16 2010 @ 09:50 AM
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You claim negotiating a marriage contract is devaluating marriage? Wrong. It adds value to the marriage on so many levels; you both have already made the tough decisions of financials, insurance, purchase of assets, kids - education, what happens if one spouse falls ill or becomes unemployed, blah blah blah. The marriage contract, believe it or not, also negotiates divorce should the marriage collapse. Perhaps marriage counselling beforehand rather than later? This is common sence. Most walk in to marriage with a blind eye and with high expections.

Back to dating...perhaps this too needs to be negotiated or perhaps the dates need to be accompanied by both their mothers though not neccessarily sitting at the same table? This would solve any problems. Is that all right with you?



posted on Sep, 16 2010 @ 09:52 AM
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Originally posted by riley.



Some.. yes I'm sure they don't need you to point it out.


I think you'd be surprised....



If a woman "must" be worshiped to give a man the time of day maybe he should find someone more on his level. At least if a woman is just fussy she's not actively trying to dominate or impose herself like the kind of men I was talking about. If I find a man unattractive (mentally or physically) worshiping me wouldn't make a difference he's still going to get rejected. Thats life.


I think I agree with your overall post but you took some of my words out of context. I didn’t, by any means, direct this toward you, or any specific person at that matter. Its rather more of a common perception a lot of women have that creates unnecessary animosity even before a relationship can develop due to a negative attitude based in a feministic perception.


No man goes on a romantic date hoping to have a wild platonic affair.. ALL men who want a date and also want a relationship still want to have sex.


Yes all very obvious
I do agree. However, all I was saying that women who have a negative perception of a guy even BEFORE she gets to know him based off a general belief all men are pigs will ruin the chance of relationship to even occur. Yes, most men dont want a "romantic date or platonic affair" but they do hope to meet someone who is mentally AND physically arousing who wont judge their intentions simply based on the fact they have a penis.


There is nothing wrong with that but I was obviously talking about men who try to obligate women into having sex with them who perhaps don't want to.


Most people,(including men) call those people rapists. Or sexual assailants. Which doesn’t generalize the mass majority of men who want to date.



Women can tell what a man wants and what his motives are.. and women don't mind if the sexual attraction is mutual but if she feels no chemistry and you're not her type then no she won't be giving you the time of day. Why should she?


She shouldn’t if thats the case (the same goes for men) but that’s not the argument here.

The argument is that alot women predetermine a man's intentions BEFORE they even get to know them or before their date even occurs.



edit on 16-9-2010 by AzoriaCorp because: problem with quotes



posted on Sep, 16 2010 @ 09:54 AM
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Go back.....

where did I say only a minority of men are dishonest? I said SOME men are not all sheisters and shmuks.



posted on Sep, 16 2010 @ 10:05 AM
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Originally posted by bluemirage5
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Go back.....

where did I say only a minority of men are dishonest? I said SOME men are not all sheisters and shmuks.


I misread your post. Apologies. However, saying "Out of 100 males only one is genuinely a good man." is far more enough proof to prove my point. You predetermine men's intentions even BEFORE you meet them, thus ruining your past and future potential dates and relationships, thus ruining your perceptions on men in general. You're a classic victim of feminism.



posted on Sep, 16 2010 @ 10:11 AM
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Originally posted by bluemirage5
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You claim negotiating a marriage contract is devaluating marriage? Wrong. It adds value to the marriage on so many levels; you both have already made the tough decisions of financials, insurance, purchase of assets, kids - education, what happens if one spouse falls ill or becomes unemployed, blah blah blah. The marriage contract, believe it or not, also negotiates divorce should the marriage collapse. Perhaps marriage counselling beforehand rather than later? This is common sence. Most walk in to marriage with a blind eye and with high expections.

Back to dating...perhaps this too needs to be negotiated or perhaps the dates need to be accompanied by both their mothers though not neccessarily sitting at the same table? This would solve any problems. Is that all right with you?


Wow, you make it sound so technical and precise, you really take the fun out of it. No wonder homosexuality is a growing trend.



posted on Sep, 16 2010 @ 10:22 AM
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Originally posted by bluemirage5
reply to post by AzoriaCorp
 


I said SOME men because not all are sheisters and shmuks. For every 100 males out there, there's 1 thats worth more than any weight in gold.

What I also have a problem is, the disturbing trend of dishonesty among males out there.

If you insist on calling me a feminist, then have it your way and I'll become one.
You are in essence saying 99 percent of the men in the dating pool or what have you are sheisters and smucks.


I am raising two boys, neither are sheisters or smucks, they are going to be good and fine men, and make good mates.

I take it as a point of pride to be called a feminist, especially by a man on this web board.



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