Originally posted by starpower11
reply to post by LeoVirgo
Hi, once again, LeoVirgo. I really enjoy your work, and it makes me wonder about lots of things regarding astrology. Have you ever thought about
writing a book, or authoring some kind of chart with your findings?
Just a thought.
Also, there are a lot of people that I'd like to find out their moon signs for. You revealed that mine was in pisces, when in fact, I've, for years,
calculated it to be in aries. (June 21, 1984, 11:55 a.m., Harvey, IL, Cook County)
Another complication: I don't know my exact sun sign since it is on the cusp. Does that mean I can't claim a sign?
Will you please tell me how you come up with your calculations? I'd like to be able to calculate it instead of bothering you all the time, Lol.
Are you offering classes anywhere?
Thank so much in advance!
Most defiantly! That was my hope -to get others to check out how I come to all of this information.
Now remember...Astrology (modern) uses a 'fixed' wheel. What ever the positions were a couple thousand years ago...they fixed these to dates and this
makes a blunder because the Sun from Earths perspective DOES NOT stay within the same signs during the same dates forever. If it did, we would NOT
have a changing of 'ages'. And remember....its due to earths wobble that all of this seems to change and that we have what is called a 'great year' of
26,000 years that takes earth to 'get back to' the same point of perspective. For example, over this 26,000 years period, as the Earth wobbles, it
changes 'north stars' several times before it gets back to the 'same north' star years before. So first, understand the difference in astrology and
astronomy in the way they calculate. Astronomy of course you know, is the true positions of things from Earths perspective. The Navy and many other
careers depend on its accuracy.
So where I began to really check out the differences....was downloading a Astronomy program called Stellarium (its free). There is another great
widget that you can use besides Stellarium called 'starry night sky education' that you dont have to download BUT....it lacks something important
which is it doesnt show the boundaries of the constellations so its hard to tell if something is truly a cusp or not. But I do get my pics from starry
night sky....after I take down the detailed info from Stellarium. Now one thing about Stellarium that I have to double check with starry night sky is
the moon. Sometimes there can be a glitch in Stellarium that the moon seems to get stuck in the last date I processed and if I reenter the date again,
it will change. So I have to double check still and I will double check on your moon position since you brought that up.
Now if you are using astrologies 'degrees' for the movement of the moon to find your sign of your moon....again, there can be misleading because
astrology does not account for 1)the true size of all the signs (the are not all the same size) and 2) it only includes 12 signs when the Sun is in 13
signs through the year and planets and the moon can be in more then 13 signs. Example....Ive done some positions for dates that people had their moon
in 'Cetus'. Course, you would never hear of such a thing in Astrology.
On Stellarium and Starry night sky....there is a place you can type in any date and it will take you to that perspective of the sky on that day. If
you download stellarium, let me know, I will give you further tips to help your hunting that makes it a bit faster.
Now if you have any interests to compare the difference in astrology and astronomy. Look up any astrology site that will give you the position of the
planets, moon, and Sun right now. Write it all down. Then go to 'heavensabove.com'. This is an astronomy site to check daily positions and changes
Go down to the astronomy section...try clicking on the sun and moon page. You will see at the top of these pages...there is options for 'previous and
next'. This allows you to see what day the Sun and Moon chances signs. Next go to 'planet summary data' and this will show you where all the planets
are day by day.
You may notice if you look at this for November 1st...that the Moon is in Sextans. Astrology does not include things like this. Today, the Moon sits
outside the wheel in a sign where the Sun does not pass through. Tomorrow the Moon will be in Leo. Now, compare the info that astrology sites are
giving with what the true positions of today's cosmos are. Do you find any reason that we should of ever fixed the positions when the change over time
from our perspective on Earth?
As the Sun rises in Leo at my birth, Astrology tells me Im a Virgo. This could only be so if I was born a couple thousand years ago when the Sun would
of been in Virgo on August 30th. A couple thousands year from now...if I was to be born on August 30th...its likely that I would not longer come as a
Leo but as Cancer.
This should be a good start for you....let me know what ever you need, Im happy to help!
I would really love to write a book. I have so many thoughts for it. I guess I just need to get my butt in touch with a publisher and see if someone
will back my idea. I want to publish 2 books....one to explain the differences, meanings, history, of both astrology and astronomy. Included some
myths and legends connected to the cosmos. I would like the other book to come with the first one that is more like a astronomical almanac of sorts.
Just a lists of positions from many many days.
I have some things to learn myself...like making charts onto a wheel. I have a really cool wheel that has 3 wheels in one...but I havnt learned how to
connect the spheres on the wheel or how to mark it all together nicely. I can place each sphere on the wheel at the right degree...but you know how a
birth wheel has the spheres all connected by lines and sometimes this shows patterns or shows what spheres are in oppositions to each other ect...I
have not worked on that alot.
Hre is the wheel though that I hope to use more....the inner circle is 'tropical wheel' which is what modern astrology uses. Then look at the middle
circle marked at the top as 'sidereal'. It is closer to being right...but it still has all the signs as the same size and leaves out Ophiuchus. Then
notice the outside wheel....how different the sizes are and that there are 13 signs. Now...even if one was to mark this wheel with all the
spheres...there is still an issue that there needs to be even more signs attached on this wheel that sit as 'outside signs'. Sometimes planets and the
Moon enter signs not on these wheels....like today we see the Moon in Sextans. I do have a hand made wheel that I made a nice outer section that
borders the main wheel to note any spheres outside the path of the Sun.
My main argument is that way back when....people did not use a 'fixed circle'. They counted on what they could see in the sky and they personified the
cosmos by true observations.
Let me know if you need anything at all...Im happy to help.
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