Israel braces for Turkish, Hizballah, Hamas reprisals. Greece halts joint drill

reply to post by EGO84


I already cited my source.

If you choose to ignore it, I can't help you.

Originally posted by princeofpeace


I see the 70 some page thread on here about the flotilla and most of it is just arguing back and forth about the event. Its a moot point. It has happened....now lets speculate on what the fall-out may be. Looks like things could get VERY interesting if Turkey does indeed send more flotillas but this time with armed escort.

Also i would think its a matter of time before the rockets of Hamas and Hezbollah begin flying. This could be it.......

www.debka.com
(visit the link for the full news article)

Yeah now let's speculate on what would happen based on a article which has Israeli propaganda stamped all over it.

Rockets?
Hezbullah?
Hamas?
Wait, did the article forget about Iran?
It wasn't in the title?

OK so you believe it is not important that a civilian ship was attacked in International waters with no justification?

You don't want to argue that point?

You don't want to defend Israel on that point?

I have read enough of your posts.

This thread is moot.

Hamas and Hezbollah don't need to do nothing, now it is a fair fight.

Now it is not (home-made fire crackers) VS (missiles, tanks, drones, Jets...MOSAD)

Go try your propaganda somewhere else.

reply to post by bigyin


First of all, wikipedia isn't the most reliable of sources. Using wikipedia for academic work is not allowed at universities/colleges. Guess why this is.

But what you could read in wikipedia isn't different to what I said. There is a difference between getting kicked out of a country/region and giving it to a certain country. Maybe you're from Turkish descent?

WarWar War

Come on people lets think about this.
Maybe Israel should check the load on the ships and pass it over Palestine.
Simple isnt it.

Then any further loads are pre inspected by Israel

Bottom line is Palestine and any other person on earth desrves food and the basics in life.

Originally posted by unruly1
WarWar War

Come on people lets think about this.
Maybe Israel should check the load on the ships and pass it over Palestine.
Simple isnt it.

Then any further loads are pre inspected by Israel

Bottom line is Palestine and any other person on earth desrves food and the basics in life.

Palestinians are treated like that, blockade, settlement expansions etc .. But when they resist these acts, they are called terrorists..

That is what brings me to boiling point, they are treated like #, and when they fight back, they are called terrorists and treated worst.

This has been going on for long enough.

Once you blockade a place, it is an act of war upon that people and those people have the right to self defense.

Originally posted by unruly1
WarWar War

Come on people lets think about this.
Maybe Israel should check the load on the ships and pass it over Palestine.
Simple isnt it.

Then any further loads are pre inspected by Israel

Bottom line is Palestine and any other person on earth desrves food and the basics in life.

That is precisely what the United Nations blockade of Iraq did.
All ships entering or leaving Iraq were boarded and searched for contraband, and then allowed to go.

The only way to get food and other essential supplies into Palestine is to do it with warships flying the UN flag.
And if Obama does not veto it, I believe that may be the next step, and a rather more productive one than letting Turkey take all the heat alone.

International peace keepers permanently located in Palestine would effectively halt the border "problem" with Israel and prevent any more brutal and inhuman Israeli reprisals.

reply to post by yigsstarhouse


Yeah! Makes you wonder if the oilleak problem is intentionally drawn away by this as if the isralei actions were .... sponsored .

Anyhow i dont think we will see nukes flying for many years to come or if at all for that matter.
To start a "WWIII" in middle east it will require some outside financement and material support to make it going, there are a few nations to candidate here though.

reply to post by LittleSecret


1000% agreed , If my neighbor blocked my house I would be pissed. I would be even more upset if my other neighboroffered to help then was killed doing it.

I am neutral on the whole Religion thing. So my thinking seems to be clearer then others on this. I do know the Jews we're hurt badly by the Nazi's. Saying this maybe they should remember what that felt like before acting almost the same way to the other Middle East countries.

Originally posted by EGO84
reply to post by bigyin

 

First of all, wikipedia isn't the most reliable of sources. Using wikipedia for academic work is not allowed at universities/colleges. Guess why this is.

But what you could read in wikipedia isn't different to what I said. There is a difference between getting kicked out of a country/region and giving it to a certain country. Maybe you're from Turkish descent?

It's sad to meet such racist attitude on ats

What has my descent got to do with anything ?

Just face facts ... go and edit wiki if ur not happy with it let me know when you have re written history.

Originally posted by Interfacer

Originally posted by UndergroundMilitia

Originally posted by invisibleman11
yup, get ready for response attacks. the middle east is a litteral powder keg and when something like this attack is over dramatized by the media, in context to what happens everyday around the world, there are militants just salivating because the world will feel sympathy for them as they launch rockets into israeli civilian neighborhoods. perfect propaganda and rationalization for comming attacks! (hint of sarcasm).

Over dramatized? The "media" was reporting from the deck of that ship with wounded people and scumbag IAF thugs firing on the non-combatant vessel in international waters. Where's the over dramatization? Screw Israel, I have no sympathy for them what-so-ever. Where do you get your news from anyway, Haartz? How about your history lessons???

So I guess you didnt see the video then?

www.youtube.com...

(Warning Violent Content)


Go head and tell me these where non combatants that isreal fired on? All they had to do was let isreal check for weapons. Instead They tried to rip the IDF soldiers apart with metal poles. One idf got thrown down to a mob on the 1st deck head first.

Let me ask you this question. Your government asks you to enforce a blockade wether you agree with it or not as a soldier you are going to do the mission, Imagine being asked to fast rope onto a boat to search for weapons and your fellow soldiers are being murdered are you gonna leave the safety on??? Not saying I agree with the Israeli govt but I would have done the same thing in their shoes!!! I dont care who tries to bash me I stand by that statement.

www.youtube.com...



[edit on 1-6-2010 by Interfacer]

Yeah, I seen the video and a bunch more and I will tell you this, those soldiers were engaged in illegal activity and they deserved everything they got and then some. There is a point when "just following orders" isn't gonna fly and it's mentalities like yours that enable oligarchies to continue their little chess games while the plebs put themselves in harms way due to the perverted notion of patriotism and of course a meager paycheck. That all being said, maybe you should go review your history before you come to the defense of Israel. Remember the U.S.S. Liberty?? Oh that's right, they were just following orders then as well...

As George Carlin would say "Hey, any time a bunch of holy people want to kill each other I'm a happy guy."


Second line

www.timesonline.co.uk...

They have reportedly been given the choice between accepting deportation or to be tried in an Israeli court.

They told reporters the Israelis beat activists with clubs and used electric shocks, and said they heard shooting aboard the Turkish boat ahead of theirs.

“The ship turned into a lake of blood,” Nilufer Cetin told reporters. “We were aware of the possible danger; in joining the trip, but there are thousands of babies in Gaza. If we had reached Gaza we would have played with them and taken them food.”

Soldiers had tazers as well then.

The US Navy veteran

Joe Meadors, 63, of Texas, is a Navy veteran. His wife Jean said yesterday evening that she believed he was safe, “but I’d like to hear that from him.” She said his exact status, whether under arrest, detention or otherwise, was unclear.

Mr Meadors served aboard the U.S. Navy intelligence ship USS Liberty that was attacked by Israeli forces in 1967, killing 34 crew members. “He hasn’t had much luck with the Israelis,” his wife said.

Six Greeks, including a crew member, returning to Athens today told reporters that Israeli commandos boarded the boats in international waters about 80-90 mile off the Israeli coast.

80 miles is in international waters.

The Journalists

Two Australian journalists and two other Australian womere were being detained in Be’ersheva detention centre and their safety had been confirmed, Australian officials said. An Australian man on board the ship underwent surgery after being shot in the leg.

Even shooting journalists now.

Originally posted by unruly1
reply to post by LittleSecret

 

1000% agreed , If my neighbor blocked my house I would be pissed. I would be even more upset if my other neighboroffered to help then was killed doing it.

I am neutral on the whole Religion thing. So my thinking seems to be clearer then others on this. I do know the Jews we're hurt badly by the Nazi's. Saying this maybe they should remember what that felt like before acting almost the same way to the other Middle East countries.

the jew's are a stain in the international community...i dont agree but understand the nazi...the jew are religiously living in the stone age...they are the most racist people there is...

the are doing the same to the palestinien that the nazi did to them...

religion should be baned from earth...period

and then meaby we should have peace...

Originally posted by UndergroundMilitia

Originally posted by Interfacer

Originally posted by UndergroundMilitia

Originally posted by invisibleman11
yup, get ready for response attacks. the middle east is a litteral powder keg and when something like this attack is over dramatized by the media, in context to what happens everyday around the world, there are militants just salivating because the world will feel sympathy for them as they launch rockets into israeli civilian neighborhoods. perfect propaganda and rationalization for comming attacks! (hint of sarcasm).

Over dramatized? The "media" was reporting from the deck of that ship with wounded people and scumbag IAF thugs firing on the non-combatant vessel in international waters. Where's the over dramatization? Screw Israel, I have no sympathy for them what-so-ever. Where do you get your news from anyway, Haartz? How about your history lessons???

So I guess you didnt see the video then?

www.youtube.com...

(Warning Violent Content)


Go head and tell me these where non combatants that isreal fired on? All they had to do was let isreal check for weapons. Instead They tried to rip the IDF soldiers apart with metal poles. One idf got thrown down to a mob on the 1st deck head first.

Let me ask you this question. Your government asks you to enforce a blockade wether you agree with it or not as a soldier you are going to do the mission, Imagine being asked to fast rope onto a boat to search for weapons and your fellow soldiers are being murdered are you gonna leave the safety on??? Not saying I agree with the Israeli govt but I would have done the same thing in their shoes!!! I dont care who tries to bash me I stand by that statement.

www.youtube.com...



[edit on 1-6-2010 by Interfacer]

Yeah, I seen the video and a bunch more and I will tell you this, those soldiers were engaged in illegal activity and they deserved everything they got and then some. There is a point when "just following orders" isn't gonna fly and it's mentalities like yours that enable oligarchies to continue their little chess games while the plebs put themselves in harms way due to the perverted notion of patriotism and of course a meager paycheck. That all being said, maybe you should go review your history before you come to the defense of Israel. Remember the U.S.S. Liberty?? Oh that's right, they were just following orders then as well...

first of all the search was illigal(international water)

i live in canada and if israel come to my house and try to search it...i garanty they wont leave alive...

they board a ship outside of there teritory...so that ship ad the right to defend them self agains those pirate

and for you UndergroundMilitia if some criminal come to your house and break in and you grab a stick to defend your house i guest it is in the right of the criminal to kill you right?

cause you had no right to defend your property...they had all the right to rob you in the first place...right?

lmaol

[edit on 1-6-2010 by hornyana_jones]

Originally posted by Final Solstice
reply to post by pjslug

 

I definitely agree. We don't know what it's like to be Israel surrounded by a bunch of loons who all hate them and have stated before that they want them blown off the map, yet people still like to come here and spew uneducated rhetoric behind the safety of their computers about how Israel is the big bully in the land.

Put your self in Israel's shoes people.

[edit on 1-6-2010 by Final Solstice]

What uneducated rhetoric??? Some examples please..

reply to post by SevenThunders


wow another bible prophecy,
seriously get a life, these fairytales mean jack all.
i could get a book by JK rowling and say it has more truth in it,
yes i know its about wizards and other crap, then again so is most of what you are reciting as prophecy to justify the actions of a lunitic country.

Originally posted by AndrewTB

Originally posted by pjslug
reply to post by Interfacer

 

Star for you. Amazing (and truly sad) how the people here on ATS always choose to ignore the facts and truth about what really goes on, all the while calling the Israelis terrorists and stating they only want war. It's the other way around people.

I have been a follower of ATS a couple years before I became an active poster. It seems conspiracy hungry jew haters have taken over the boards here.

What ever happened to being analytical and looking at the facts? Honestly that's why I do not post as often as I used to. Its a shame people are so biased as to throw a country that's innocent under the bus. I'm not saying Israel doesn't do some nasty things, but its not like its without provocation although many of you make it look that way.

Its nice to see some objective thinkers and you sir deserve a star for looking at the facts along with the poster that posted the video.

Honestly, what the hell are you talking about?? No one here said they hate Jews! The animosity is aimed at the Zionist regime and if you don't understand what I mean by that, perhaps you should start doing some research on the topic. Israel is far from innocent.

Originally posted by invisibleman11
perfect propaganda and rationalization for comming attacks! (hint of sarcasm).

Yes because defending your lively hood is immoral.

A floatilla of Aide and supplies get attacked. what would you do?
People have the right to defend themselves.

reply to post by pjslug


"This site is supposed to encourage the denial of ignorance. Ignorance is at an all time high here and I find myself in awe of the absurd posts I've seen of late, on all parts of ATS. Please, if you find the need to spread hate and lies refrain from posting. It doesn't do any of us any good."

Nor does willful ignorance. The only reason your defending Israel is because you have family there. Is it possible that you may be Jewish as well?

Israel launches air assault on Gaza killing 12 militants and upwards of 7 civilians according to Sky news twitter feed.

Rachel Corrie and the rest of the flotilla is due to meet Turkish warships within 2 days then sail to Gaza

EDIT: Rafah crossing on border with Egypt swamped by Gazan's trying to leave after Egypt opens it up temporarily for aid supplies.

Sky news twitter feed changes casualties to 3 militants and civlians wounded.

Iran states "Another nail in the coffin for the utter destruction of Israel"

[edit on 17/05/09 by Raider of Truth]