Israel braces for Turkish, Hizballah, Hamas reprisals. Greece halts joint drill

reply to post by princeofpeace


They had those rockets. Now they do not. if they did, those things would of rained down like hell by now, tonight.

Originally posted by invisibleman11
yup, get ready for response attacks. the middle east is a litteral powder keg and when something like this attack is over dramatized by the media, in context to what happens everyday around the world, there are militants just salivating because the world will feel sympathy for them as they launch rockets into israeli civilian neighborhoods. perfect propaganda and rationalization for comming attacks! (hint of sarcasm).

Over dramatized? The "media" was reporting from the deck of that ship with wounded people and scumbag IDF thugs firing on the non-combatant vessel in international waters. Where's the over dramatization? Screw Israel, I have no sympathy for them what-so-ever. Where do you get your news from anyway, Haaretz? How about your history lessons???

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Originally posted by Violater1

Originally posted by ALOSTSOUL
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I have always thought that "The next war in the middle east will be with nukes" to be highly unlikely.

Really?
Ackmahandajob now has enough enriched material for two nukes. He has been quoted several times that he wants to start WWIII to bring in the last imam.

Can you supply those source documents please?

Originally posted by Violater1

Originally posted by ALOSTSOUL
reply to post by SWCCFAN

 

I have always thought that "The next war in the middle east will be with nukes" to be highly unlikely.

Really?
Ackmahandajob now has enough enriched material for two nukes. He has been quoted several times that he wants to start WWIII to bring in the last imam.

Gotta source for those claims?

wasn't there a source mentioning amongst others NK dealing with Iran?

Originally posted by area6
Haven't heard anything from Iran yet ... not sure if that's good or bad.

orly?hear from Iran here

I find it kind of interesting that all the sudden this is the news and not the north and south korea thing for the moment. Makes you wonder what the left hand is hiding from the right hand now iffin you know what I mean. Also steers away from the oil mess as well. All I know is me no likey at all...

I'm thinking this may cause a divide.

After all Turkey is a big player in the UN / EU, it would be better for Europe to keep Turkey as an ally, than to lose them just for wishing to protect their own.

Now at the same time the UN are going to wanting to punish Israel somehow. So then, why would the UN wish to lose Turkey who have been a member since the 40's and are effectively the barriers between Europe and the middle east.

If Israel goes to war with Turkey, i'm pretty sure that part of Europe wouldn't want any kind of war to spill over either from Turkey turning against Europe or Israel attacking Turkey.

It's a bit of a deadlock and some serious decisions are going to be have to made soon.

This is why i think America and the Uk are being very quiet.

We'll have to keep any eye on the rest of the aid boats and the Un emergency meetings.

I think the West intentionally attempts to make the Middle East's living lifestyle appear inferior by spoiling us in the West with seemingly infinite wealth, glamor, and vanity as to cover up, and distract us from what may really be the truth; the self.

I feel personally responsible to stand up for the Lebanese people, and I know so little about them aside from their oppression. Maybe it is universal. With all motives aside, I feel that the principle is definitely in question here.

Originally posted by yigsstarhouse
I find it kind of interesting that all the sudden this is the news and not the north and south korea thing for the moment. Makes you wonder what the left hand is hiding from the right hand now iffin you know what I mean. Also steers away from the oil mess as well. All I know is me no likey at all...

Apart from the mess that has happened in Korean peninsula and middle east, there is one another front that we are not paying enough attention. Pakistani Taliban is on a rampage and is conducting sophisticated assaults almost on a daily basis. Hillary Clinton has warned of severe consequences if another Times Square like bombing is traced to Pakistan. And the most dangerous aspect in this situation is that Pakistan has almost hundreds of nuclear warheads that are scattered across the country. I feel that Korea and even Iran are distractions set up by TPTB to divert attention away from Pakistan.

I feel the leaders of Israel are striving for a the self-fulfilling prophesy of the destruction of Israel.

I have no sympathy for those citizens of Israel who sit back and cite aggression from others as the reason their government and military continue murdering people. I have sympathy for those citizens of Israel who are fed up with the SH*T.

The article that you source is heavy with pro-Israeli propaganda. It's hard to take anything that it says seriously. It is more than obvious that this source heavily favors Israel side of the argument, if you can even call it an argument.

--airspoon

Originally posted by Nobody7766
Not another war in the Middle East. will there ever be peace in the world?

Not as long as you have a bunch of religious nuts and people running around killing each other because their god is better than the next god. Really time to step out of the biblical ages people, the year is 2010, not 1000. You'd think that after all this time we'd figure out how to get along and respect each other for what we think and believe. I guess I'm just a simple person.

Originally posted by princeofpeace

Israel braces for Turkish, Hizballah, Hamas reprisals. Greece halts joint drill

www.debka.com

reports from Ankara that the Turkish government is planning to continue pounding the Israeli blockade with more flotillas and have them escorted by Turkish warships and fighter jets. Israel merchant vessels moored outside Ashdod port have been instructed to sail into port and take shelter in case of missile attacks from the Gaza Strip against Ashdod and Ashkelon. Israeli security forces are preparing for the Lebanese Hizballah and Palestinian Hamas to go back to shooting missiles and rockets against Israeli towns, in support of the seaborne attack on Israeli commandos. The police are also on s

(visit the link for the full news article)

NO ONE wants war...

but this might actually be the tipping point.

These people have been oppressed for so long.... its only a matter of time before the retaliation happens.

just hope this does not bring all out war in the ME.

what i find ironic though... is that the North Korea thing, and this have a lot in common. Somehow the word 'False Flag' comes to mind, but i could be wrong.

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debka.com IS Not a known reliable source, Sir. Please add collaborating source(s) to confirm this info. I have no dog in this "hunt" but using "Debka" as a credible source is like using "Sorcha Faal" as a credible source. Yeah I know "I'm NEW Here"

Chris
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Originally posted by FoppezaoWHatever may happen i don't think the European and North American allies are going to side with Turkey if they choose east and actually fight Israel.

As a memo of NATO, we'll have to. This is going to put the US in a no-win situation. Either side with Israel against a NATO backed country (Turkey) or join with Turkey and sacrifice Israel as an ally.

Not a good thing, either way.

Actually this is very interesting from a strategic standpoint.

War between Turkey and Israel is inevitable for one important reason, and that is Water. Turkey controls a major portion of the fresh water that Israel needs to grow and survive.

Turkey and Israel: An Evolving Partnership

Meltem Müftüler Bac

Policy Paper No. 47, 1998

The end of the Cold War has led to a global restructuring, which has had a real impact on the Middle East. This paper suggests that in the post-Cold War era, Turkey and Israel have engaged in extensive cooperative ties, which are stimulated by the uncertain environment and the precarious security circumstances surrounding them. Turkey has relatively more abundant water resources when compared to other countries in the region and water enables Turkey to fulfill its aspirations as an emerging regional power. This paper analyzes these new co-operation patterns, the strategic alliance between Turkey and Israel, and the politics of water in this strategic alliance.

Turkey's Rapprochement with Israel

Since the collapse of the Soviet Union, Turkey has responded to global and regional changes by reformulating its foreign policy. Faced with uncertainty regarding its borders and its identity, Turkey has forged new alliances, one of which includes the Turkish-Israeli axis. Water is becoming an essential component of political power in the Middle East. Turkey is one of the few states in the Middle East which enjoys abundant ground-water resources. Since natural resources are an important element of a country's power in its dealings with other states, Turkey's water resources give it power vis-a-vis other countries in the region. Turkey, by providing cheap water on a reliable basis, may be able to decrease the tension in the region surrounding the allocation of this scarce resource in the region.

acpr.org

Turkey is in a unique position right now that currently gives it some leverage.

Initially it began cooperating with the U.S. War effort in Iraq, granting bases and supply depots inside Turkey in exchange for being able to attack Turkish Kurds inside of Northern Iraq.

The U.S. is semi-dependent on Turkey to keep the logistics of both the wars in Afghanistan and Iraq humming along.

Once those wars are over they will have substantially less leverage.

Long range planners and strategists see the next wave of wars in the Middle East not over oil but water.

Turkey has the closest ample supply of fresh water to Israel and already exports quite a bit to Israel.

However it is not the Zionists style to pay for what it can steal, so Turkey probably does view Israel eventually attacking it for its water as inevitable, and that the greatest protection they have against that currently is the special relationship that Turkey has developed with the United States regarding the U.S. War effort in Iraq and Afghanistan.

Yet once those wars are over, Turkey will no longer enjoy the same strategic ally status.

So in reality Turkey may choose to use the blockade of Gaza as a means to provoke an earlier confrontation with Israel while the U.S. War effort in Iraq and Afghanistan is dependent on Turkish Bases.

If they can do significant damage to the Israeli infrastructure this might set back Israel years or decades from being in a position to go after Turkish Water Supplies using military force.

There is a chance the Israelis are being suckered into what might become a very costly blunder for them!

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If Turkey starts it, meaning they attack Israel, NATO is under no obligation to come to their aid.

The US on the other hand deploys units to Israel to man Patriot missile batteries and if any country attacks Israel, well we do have a security agreement with them.

I have a feeling that Turkey may end up having a coup, before any hostilities can take place.

As none of us were on the flotilla we dont realy know what happened there. the main problem i see is the commandos boarding the ships in international waters,or was it just the one ship? how hard would it of been to wait for them to enter the waters they were told to stay out of. at which point i still wouldnt be happy with the deaths but i would at least sort of back their right to board the ships then and to protect themselves. not that i agree with the blockade, but everyone knows they claim one, if you sail into it you kind of get what you deserve.

any boarding let alone deaths due to boarers attacks is unaceptable in my opinion in international waters. that is pirate activity. but this is all based off the story that they were in international waters. i wasnt there, i dont know where it was.