I believe the US and Canada should be 1 country

Originally posted by Duzey
reply to post by Misoir

 

Respectully,

Your dreams are quite possibly not the same as our dreams and you are only seeing things from your perspective. With the vast difference in population, we would get the short end of every stick in the bundle.

US motto - Life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness.

Canada motto - Peace, order and good government.

I can see those two philosophies butting heads on a frequent basis.

This, this is very well written and I've never thought of it like that before. But now that I do think about it, it is so true.

Canadians are not like Americans in the aspect where we demand liberty and "the pursuit of happiness". Now, please don't get me wrong. Canadians do wish to uphold the standards of first world living, and in no way do we find it acceptable for our rights to be stripped away from us. But in all honesty, I think Canadians view their Government much differently than Americans view theirs.

Americans tend to think they would be better off without their Government, without an authoritative figure, and Americans assume that "to each their own" is a superb way of letting things run themselves. (Or run rampant as I should say). However in Canada, I believe that the majority of the populace are rather satisfied with their Government. That is not to say ours doesn't have flaws! Indeed it has many, but in terms of being a the overarching authority, many Canadians would agree that this governing body handles its power extremely well.

It is no surprise that our "free" American comrades would label us as "socialists" whereas we have an appreciation for, as Duzey stated, order, but at the same time, we enjoy equality for all the population. Indeed, I believe many Canadians would put the well being of their fellow citizens over their own in a sense of community and kindness whereas Americans in general are very individualistic.

So yes, regarding those topics, Canada is more communal and social in many aspects in comparison to our American friends, and that itself would create many problems for us of combined!

reply to post by Misoir


Your Democrats are further right than our Conservatives, so we'd probably need a third party.

And we want gay marriage federally recognized, not just by the states. There will be none of that 'sorry but...' when someone's loved one ends up in a hospital in Texas.

reply to post by Duzey


Who's talking about Democrats? How do you know I wasn't talking about Canada's Liberal Party?

Obviously we would create new parties with Canadian and American politicians working side-by-side.

Anyways... I completely agree about gay marriage, it should be federally recognized and legal. But when it comes to states rights things are figured out in situations like you mentioned.

Not a chance. Canada still has a functioning economy, in fact Canada and Germany are the only two G7 countries to not face a 100% GDP to debt ratio. The US has gutted it's economy by allowing corporations to loot the government and people of the US.

The Canadian people love the American people, and our two countries are "besties" BUT Canada does not want to get sucked into the economic black hole from the imploding US economy.

Once the US becomes a functioning economy again, then we can revisit the issue.

reply to post by Misoir


Since I wouldn't wish our Liberal party in their current incarnation on any country, I just assumed (I know ) we were speaking of the American parties.

If we're speaking of Canadian parties, the Conservatives would grow because they are closer to what the American populace is familiar with. There's another reason right there to never merge.

Originally posted by Misoir
reply to post by Duzey

 

Who's talking about Democrats? How do you know I wasn't talking about Canada's Liberal Party?

This actually impressed me. I mean, how many americans know our parties titles. Very impressed.

And does the new Union want to belong to the Commonwealth?
I'm not sure whether membership still carries any perks, apart from allowing the athletes to take part in the Commonwealth Games.

Originally posted by Haydn_17
reply to post by Cynic

 

What? Canada never fought Britain in 1812, the European colonies revolted. Canadian soldiers still wore red coats all the up till 1875. US founding fathers were Brits, if we didnt win the battle of qubec you would all speak French.

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Yes, you are correct.
But Canada still won that war and we can do it again.
So what's your problem??

Interesting idea... one that has definitely crossed my mind more than a few times.

I however, am 100% against this idea.

Canada has its own national identity and culture, and being annexed by the US would be akin to the former soviet states being annexed by Russia back in the day.

We in Canada are fairly liberal people... we already have our health care system down pact (for the most part)... and we have a great banking system. This is mostly the opposite of the US.

And a referendum would never work.

Canadians would NEVER, EVER vote over 66%... 10% would be more realistic. The US would never get 66%... because the republicans and right-wingers would know that this would mark the end of their share of power.

reply to post by DISRAELI


That's an excellent question. Canada is a Constitutional Monarchy, after all.

Is the US in the mood to have a Royal Family again?

Originally posted by hhcore

Originally posted by Misoir
reply to post by Duzey

 

Who's talking about Democrats? How do you know I wasn't talking about Canada's Liberal Party?

This actually impressed me. I mean, how many americans know our parties titles. Very impressed.

Yes it's quite impressive that I know the federal canadian parties of; Liberal Party, Conservative Party, New Democratic Party, Bloc Qebecious(or however you spell it).

Personally I like the New Democratic Party. I like their platform and I am a Socialist.

Originally posted by Duzey
reply to post by DISRAELI

 

That's an excellent question. Canada is a Constitutional Monarchy, after all.

Is the US in the mood to have a Royal Family again?

Absolutely not. The main reason for uniting Canada and the US ever since the 19th century was to get the British out of North America.

I love the way the OP would have hundreds of years of Canadian history & tradition swept under the carpet in this great merge.

In the spirit of the thread ... i.e. not serious at all ... I think this new unified nation should adopt the Westminster tradition i.e. Queen Elizabeth will be the head of state, with the American Governor General appointing the House of Representatives Majority Leader as your new Prime Minister, with the House becoming the main forum for discussion & debate and the Senate providing the legislative brake.

How great would it have been to see an American Prime Minister subject to Parliamentary scrutiny every week at Question Time, minus his autocue machine ! Perhaps then you'd have a leader who could think on his feet rather than the automatons of late.

as pretty and wonderful you make your idea sound.... there is no way i can agree to a Canada/USA merger.

I think it would cause more problems than it would solve.

As a CANADIAN I say you can take your dream and shove it. There is not one Canadian (even Albertans) that would ever want to be a part of your country. We do not want to share your debt, or use your constantly devalued dollar. We want nothing to do with your power hungry ways, or your assinine rules and regulations. We are a nation strong and free willed thats isn't goated into your conflicts.

So as I said take your dream and shove it. Remember we aren't a bunch of push over Iraqis who are going to let ourselves be bargained with or occupied by abunch of idiots who can't even get there own s*#t straight. Fix your own damn country before you even think of trying to ruin what we have going for us up here.

And what we have going for us the most is that we're"NOT AMERICANS" and we're damn proud of it.

SaneThinking

I live in Alberta and everybody I know is proud to be Canadian. I don't understand the need for cheep shots. Alberta is a great place, as is ALL of Canada. Alberta's population comes from all over the country due to the work available here. I know people from every province and 2 of the territories right here in Edmonton so I feel Alberta represents Canada very well.

Of coarse there are a few people with extreme and radical idea's but there is everywhere and it doesn't reflect the mindset of the majority.

I like the best friend aspect between the US and Canada. Yes we have similar values but also like our Identity as being different. I think keeping a good relationship the way it is now helps set examples for other countries struggling to get along with their neighbors

reply to post by Misoir


Ummm, sorry but I'm not giving up my Queen. Some would, but I'm a traditionalist when it comes to, well, tradition.

What system of government do you propose for the new country to ensure the will of the many (former Americans) doesn't override the will of the not so many (former Canadians)?

Also, as a friendly suggestion, I'd refer to the new country as something other than America. The use of that name gives the impression that we're being absorbed into the 'American Dream' and the whole melting pot thing.

reply to post by Duzey


The form of government would probably work best as something like Germany or Bosnia and Herzegovina.

As for the name, I can't think of one off the top of my head but any name would work.

Yes, right, because twenty some million Canadians feel like having their country thrown away for some ancient American fever dream.

No thanks, if anybody tried it, Militias would form and we'd run the Americans out just like 1812.

Not saying I dislike America or Americans, but Canadians REALLY like having their own country. Try Mexico.

I didn't even read your OP but, your wish will be granted whether we like it or not.

Oh......the next couple of years are going to be very difficult and very enlightening too! Stay tuned.