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Bombshell Eyewitness Revelations: Confirmed FBI Cover-up Of Flight 253 Attack

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posted on Jan, 2 2010 @ 11:44 PM
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First and only reply to you.



That was not your first and only response to me that is a lie. Heck just look at the top of the previous page


Anyone can back track through the last few pages of this thread and see that for themselves. My reading comprehension is fine. In fact it is better than your sub par ad hominem. I do not make unfounded accusations. The first sentence of your most recent reply post to me is false. You are spreading disinformation, lies, and doing your best to paint Haskels' eye witness account as something meaningless and untrustworthy.

You say that you paint Haskel as honest and sincere but you also call him a self serving opportunist who is a fruitcake in your professional opinion.

I apologize if you don't like what your doing but I am only commenting on your actions. I am not the on telling people about mysterious links with Yemen visas' that may explain your point of view especially when the subject matter in question is a passport in Amsterdam.




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posted on Jan, 2 2010 @ 11:58 PM
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Since 9/11 worked so well at starting a couple of phony wars, bankrupting the middle class and destroying The Constitution, it was time to go back to the well and once again hoodwink the clueless American masses. If something works, why not keep using it? It's not like you are dealing with people who possess exceptional intelligence and perception. Gullible suckers are a dime a dozen within the American populace.



posted on Jan, 3 2010 @ 12:04 AM
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Oh I don't know, every now and again an American might surprise you. I know you would not know it from my torch, but I'm American.


You do have a heck of a point though.



posted on Jan, 3 2010 @ 01:03 AM
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Originally posted by mmiichael
If you had any reading comprehension skills you would have picked up on my repeated qualification that Haskell is honest and sincere. But he may have misread a situation, not have a complete picture, be mistaken.

OMG, has the "official story defender" mmmmichael interjected himself in THIS thread too? Don't believe ANYTHING this buffoon says. He probably doesn't even know that the U.S. government reversed themselves and changed their story AGAIN:


Last Updated: January 02. 2010 11:27PM

Official confirms 2nd man interviewed from Flight 253
Couple on 253 did see 2nd man in cuffs, customs officer says

Jennifer Chambers and Paul Egan / The Detroit News

Detroit -- A U.S. Customs official reversed himself Friday, admitting a passenger from Northwest Flight 253 was placed in handcuffs, searched and released after a security dog alerted officers to the passenger's carry-on luggage.

Ronald G. Smith, chief U.S. Customs and Border Protection officer in the Detroit area, sent an e-mail to The Detroit News late Thursday apologizing that the information on the passenger -- which was made public by a pair of Taylor attorneys, Kurt and Lori Haskell, who were passengers on the flight -- was not officially announced earlier.

FBI officials had said only one man from the flight was arrested. That man, Umar Farouk Abdulmutallab, a 23-year-old Nigerian being held at the Milan federal prison, is charged with trying to destroy an aircraft and taking a destructive device aboard an aircraft.

He created a small fire before landing when he tried to set off explosive chemicals hidden in his underwear, according to court records. Passengers jumped on him and put out the blaze with the help of the flight crew, witnesses said.

The Haskells told federal investigators they saw another man being questioned by federal officials and led away from the airport baggage area in handcuffs after a sniffer dog reacted to something in the man's carry-on luggage.

The couple said the man, who appeared to be in his early 30s and of Indian descent, was taken to a room for questioning and later led out of that room in handcuffs.

In previous statements to the media, Smith had said the Haskells' account was a composite of two events that occurred at the airport around the time passengers got off Flight 253. The incidents were unrelated to the terrorist incident, Smith had said.

Yet in the e-mail, which also was sent to the couple, Smith said he had just received information he did not have previously and hoped "it will clear up the matter."


Smith said a second man from Flight 253 was handcuffed, escorted to a room where he was interviewed and searched. Nothing was found. The man was not arrested or detained, and no further information was available about him, Smith said.

"This information is consistent with eyewitness accounts," Smith said.

Reached by phone on Friday, Lori Haskell said the e-mail was a small victory for the couple, yet it angered them at the same time.

"I just want them to look into our claims," Lori Haskell said. "Our story has been the same since day one because we are telling the truth."

The Haskells, who were questioned Tuesday by FBI agents at their law office, earlier told The Detroit News that Kurt Haskell saw Abdulmutallab in Amsterdam, Netherlands, apparently trying to board the flight without a passport.

Kurt Haskell said he saw a well-dressed Indian man, who was older than the Indian man arrested at Detroit Metro, attempting to negotiate with airline officials to get Abdulmutallab on the plane without a passport. He appeared to be trying to pass Abdulmutallab off as a Sudanese refugee, Haskell said...

Please visit the link provided for the complete story.

www.detnews.com...

Does the government ever tell the truth about anything?


Originally posted by mmiichael
I may be wrong in all this. From what I've seen so far Haskell's testiminy doesn't hold water I wait to be shown otherwise.

You're wrong as usual, but you'll never admit it.


Originally posted by Deny Arrogance
reply to post by mmiichael
 

Wow, you should do this for a living.

Wouldn't it be nice to get paid to read and post.

Ummm... oh, never mind.




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posted on Jan, 3 2010 @ 01:26 AM
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Sweet vindication. Thanks Golden Fleece. I kinda figured mmiichael for a government troll by the way he presents himself here. I've seen his kind in other forums. Thats not really that important. What is important is that the Haskels got their story confirmed (or at least part of it) and now anyone that says otherwise can be directed to the link. Their is still that nagging passport issue. It seems nobody wants to lose face by admitting someone got suckered with a nigerian banker scam.



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posted on Jan, 3 2010 @ 02:26 AM
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Originally posted by GoldenFleece
If you had any reading comprehension skills you would have picked up on my repeated qualification that Haskell is honest and sincere. But he may have misread a situation, not have a complete picture, be mistaken.

OMG, has the "official story defender" mmmmichael interjected himself in THIS thread too? Don't believe ANYTHING this buffoon says.

As usual you are the buffoon Fleecy. And as I said, Grade 4 reading comprehension skills are lacking around here.

As I said a couple times (check it) there is something conflicting, maybe Haskell blending two events. Quoting the newspaper report you linked:



www.detnews.com...

The Haskells, who were questioned Tuesday by FBI agents at their law office, earlier told The Detroit News that Kurt Haskell saw Abdulmutallab in Amsterdam, Netherlands, apparently trying to board the flight without a passport.

Kurt Haskell said he saw a well-dressed Indian man, who was older than the Indian man arrested at Detroit Metro, attempting to negotiate with airline officials to get Abdulmutallab on the plane without a passport. He appeared to be trying to pass Abdulmutallab off as a Sudanese refugee, Haskell said.

Nigerian officials have said Abdulmutallab presented a valid Nigerian passport and multi-entry U.S. visa when he began his trip in Lagos.

Federal officials seized both documents in Detroit, a person familiar with the investigation said.

Please visit the link provided for the complete story.



I will try to explain it again. Haskell says the African young man has no passport in Amsterdam. And that the mysterious Indian man speaks to an immigration officer trying to convince them the young man is Sudanese and they routinely go on international flights - implicitly he is a refugee. The immigration officer then says the yhave to take the issue to a manager. And the story ends there.

But then we have a report Detroit police seize the Nigerians passport.

So a critical conflict with Haskell's testimony.

Does the Nigerian have a passport or not?

You won't be able to figure this out and see the gaping hole in Haskell's testimony, at least as reported.

Don't forget to accuse me of being a government agent. You have to keep the other kids entertained.





[edit on 3-1-2010 by mmiichael]



posted on Jan, 3 2010 @ 02:52 AM
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See what I mean? Even after the government reversed themselves a WEEK later and came out with a FOURTH story, mmmmichael is STILL defending the official fairy tale, just like he does with 9/11. Now why would the government fabricate lies for an entire week, then sheepishly admit that the Haskells were telling the truth all along?

Maybe for the same reason the government won't release any videos or photos of "Flight 77" hitting the Pentagon or admit that they recovered all four black boxes from the WTC towers.

BTW, you're right in your suspicions about mmmmichael. Ignore the government shills.



posted on Jan, 3 2010 @ 03:08 AM
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Originally posted by GoldenFleece
reply to post by Flakey
 

See what I mean? Even after the government reversed themselves a WEEK later and came out with a FOURTH story, mmmmichael is STILL defending the official fairy tale, just like he does with 9/11. Now why would the government fabricate lies for an entire week, then sheepishly admit that the Haskells were telling the truth all along?

Maybe for the same reason the government won't release any videos or photos of "Flight 77" hitting the Pentagon or admit that they recovered all four black boxes from the WTC towers.

BTW, you're right in your suspicions about mmmmichael. Ignore the government shills.



Truly amazing. You can't even read something explained 3 times.

The whole problem with Haskell's story is not an issue of his honesty or the government's honesty.

He says the Nigerian didn't have a passport in Amsterdam. So how can there be a passport in Detroit.

The mysterious Indian negotiator in Amsterdam is not the man put in handcuffs in Detroit.

The point of this will get lost in the usual blather about the government lying, Project Northwoods, yadda yadda yadda.

The US government doesn't really have to try hard to deceive the public. Most of them can't figure out the simplest things anyway.


Secret Government Agent #7593
Dopey Discussion Division



posted on Jan, 3 2010 @ 03:20 AM
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Originally posted by mmiichael
The whole problem with Haskell's story is not an issue of his honesty or the government's honesty.

WTF are you talking about? OF COURSE it's an issue of honesty! That's why perjured testimony is thrown out of court. When the government lies for an entire WEEK, then tries to peddle a FOURTH story, why would ANYONE believe any part of their story? (except you of course.)

The Haskells are honest and sincere people who are simply relating their experiences -- which other passengers have backed up. OTOH, the government is as honest and credible as you.



posted on Jan, 3 2010 @ 03:28 AM
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Originally posted by GoldenFleece

Originally posted by mmiichael
The whole problem with Haskell's story is not an issue of his honesty or the government's honesty.

WTF are you talking about? OF COURSE it's an issue of honesty! That's why perjured testimony is thrown out of court. When the government lies for an entire WEEK, then tries to peddle a FOURTH story, why would ANYONE believe any part of their story? (except you of course.)

The Haskells are honest and sincere people who are simply relating their experiences -- which other passengers have backed up. OTOH, the government is as honest and credible as you.


You desperately need a reading comprehension course.

After the foaming at the mouth for a few hours try to figure out whether the Nigerian man had a passport or not.



posted on Jan, 3 2010 @ 04:09 AM
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I find it hard to fathom that anyone could get on a plane to the US without a passport, though i dont see why these people would go on to National TV and lie like that,

as some one said would be nice to see the Airport CCTV, if there was nothing to hide this will come to light soon

and Micheal...if you belive the Goverment Response to 9/11 just explain two things

1, Molten steel seen driping from WTC
2, Cut Steal H beam with shapped exposlives

those two FACTS (video/photo Evidence of both) prove something wernt quite right on that day



posted on Jan, 3 2010 @ 04:25 AM
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Originally posted by mmiichael
After the foaming at the mouth for a few hours try to figure out whether the Nigerian man had a passport or not.

Hey Pea Brain, did this ever occur to you?


For the last five days I have been reporting my story of the so called "sharp dressed man." For those of you who haven't read my account, it involves a sharp dressed "Indian man" attempting to talk a ticket agent into letting a supposed "Sudanese refugee" (the terrorist) onto flight 253 without a passport. I have never had any idea how it played out except to note that the so called "Sudanese refugee" later boarded my flight and attempted to blow it up and kill me.

At no time did my story involve, or even find important whether the terrorist actually had a passport. The importance of my story was and always will be, the attempt with an accomplice (apparently successful) of a terrorist with all sorts of prior terrorist warning signs to skirt the normal passport boarding procedures in Amsterdam. By the way, Amsterdam security did come out the other day and admit that the terrorist did not have to "Go through normal passport checking procedures".

Amsterdam security, please define to the American public "Normal passport boarding procedures".

You see the FBI would have the American public believe that what was important was whether the terrorist in fact had a passport.

Seriously, think about this people. You have a suicide bomber who had recently been to Yemen to get a bomb, whose father had reported him as a terrorist, who supposedly was on some kind of U.S. terror watchlist, and most likely knew the U.S. was aware of these red flags. Yet, he didn't go through "Normal passport checking procedures." What does that mean? Maybe that he flashed a passport to some sort of sympathetic security manager in a backroom to avoid a closer look at the terrorist's "red flags"? What is important is that the terrorist avoided using normal passport checking procedures (apparently successfully) in order to avoid a closer look into his red flags. Who cares if he had a passport? The important thing is that he didn't want to show it and somehow avoided a closer inspection and "normal passport checking procedures." Each passport comes with a bar code on it that can be scanned to provide a wealth of information about the individual. I would bet that the passport checking procedures for the terrorist did not include a bar code scan of his passport (which could have revealed damning information about the terrorist).

Or this?


Please note that there is a very easy way to verify the veracity of my prior "sharp dressed man" account. Dutch police have admitted that they have reviewed the video of the "sharp dressed man" that I referenced. Note that it has not been released anywhere. You see, if my eye witness account is false, it could easily be proven by releasing the video. However, the proof of my eyewitness account would also be verified if I am telling the truth and I am. There is a reason we have only heard of the video and not seen it. Dutch authorities, "RELEASE THE VIDEO!" This is the most important video in 8 years and may be all of two minutes long. Show the entire video and "DO NOT EDIT IT"! The American public deserves its own chance to attempt to identify the "sharp dressed man". I have no doubt that if the video indicated that my account was wrong, that the video would have already swept over the entire world wide web.



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posted on Jan, 3 2010 @ 05:49 AM
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Originally posted by FritosBBQTwist


Who cares!

Let them see my naked body. Then can I finally stop taking my damn shoes off and putting them through the x-ray machine?


So, because you don't care you should speak for everyone else? You don't care about what they do to you, okay fine, but do you care about other people who might be offended?

Of course many of us don't care for ourselves, but what about more modest persons who could be mentally harmed by such a prospect?

What about the mother or father who doesn't want their 10 year old daughter's naked body to be exposed to complete strangers?

Unless they're exposing everyone with some type of harmful rays - the fact is if somebody wants to carry plastic explosives up their anus/vagina these full body scans don't mean anything when it comes to stopping terrorist.

They are a method of control in order to make sure you are in compliance with every new law or tax that comes along. They don't want you or anyone carrying too much money, drugs/medicines, food, water or anything else that becomes future contraband and has very little to do with bombers or terrorist. It is about order - the New World Order.


Who care's? While you act is if everyone who doesn't want to comply are being selfish when in reality it is you who are being selfish because you don't care and in your mind it doesn't effect you so why should you care how it effects others? You don't care about anyone but yourself and it shows.



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posted on Jan, 3 2010 @ 05:58 AM
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Gee, what a surprise -- ANOTHER Israeli "security" connection:


Guess who runs the security at Amsterdam Schipol airport? ICTS of course! the same Israeli owned security company that somehow managed to let the shoe bomber on his Miami flight in 2001 and several of those mythical hijackers who allegedly flew out of Boston's Logan airport on 9/11. It is also useful to remember that the shoe bomber was cleared through ICTS and El Al security at Amsterdam airport on a flight to Tel Aviv in July 2001 for what was apparently an all-expenses paid week-long trip to the Israeli city. What precisely he did there remains a mystery.



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posted on Jan, 3 2010 @ 06:43 AM
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Then don't fly. Drive your car to your destination. But because muslims decide they want to blow up planes there has to be measures to protect those non-muslims they are trying to blow up.



posted on Jan, 3 2010 @ 06:49 AM
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Originally posted by GoldenFleece
Gee, what a surprise -- ANOTHER Israeli "security" connection:


Guess who runs the security at Amsterdam Schipol airport? ICTS of course! the same Israeli owned security company that somehow managed to let the shoe bomber on his Miami flight in 2001 and several of those mythical hijackers who allegedly flew out of Boston's Logan airport on 9/11. It is also useful to remember that the shoe bomber was cleared through ICTS and El Al security at Amsterdam airport on a flight to Tel Aviv in July 2001 for what was apparently an all-expenses paid week-long trip to the Israeli city. What precisely he did there remains a mystery.



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AHHAHAHAAHHA.
Always blaming the Jews.
Yeah, the Jews orchestrate all the evil all over the world, that's why they must be destroyed. They bring it on themselves and they are evil.
HAHAHAHAHHAHA.
Those Jews scheme and always make someone else look like they are at fault when indeed, it's the Jews who are evil. Therefore, Bethlehem and Jerusalem must be destroyed.

Oh the Caliphate propaganda machine cracks me up everytime.
The Jews propably strapped the explosive diaper on the poor muslim too, eh?



posted on Jan, 3 2010 @ 06:54 AM
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Originally posted by GoldenFleece
The Haskells are honest and sincere people who are simply relating their experiences -- which other passengers have backed up. OTOH, the government is as honest and credible as you.

I guess you know the Haskells personally, eh?
And like the balloon boy family they are looking for their own reality show because Octomom called and told me. And of course we should disregard all the professional airport and airline employees experiences because... well they aren't on TV blasting their story because... well they are... professional. So let's take the smallest, most obscure element and add that doubt into the mix. Wow, you should be a defense lawyer. I mean, no one likes lawyers, especially defense lawyers... so you have nothing to lose.



posted on Jan, 3 2010 @ 07:00 AM
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Originally posted by SphinxMontreal
Since 9/11 worked so well at starting a couple of phony wars, bankrupting the middle class and destroying The Constitution, it was time to go back to the well and once again hoodwink the clueless American masses. If something works, why not keep using it? It's not like you are dealing with people who possess exceptional intelligence and perception. Gullible suckers are a dime a dozen within the American populace.

So you are anti-American too? Think our government's goal is to implode and leave and empty shell and then everyone can move to... Mexico... or something?
I agree there are gullible suckers everywhere and there are just as many people to take advantage of that... in the world. A little research would show you that other countries have higher numbers in hoodwinkers and gullible populace than America and that there are those who would take advantage of Americans from outside our borders. Hard concept to understand, I know, if you are gullible.



posted on Jan, 3 2010 @ 07:07 AM
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Originally posted by mmiichael

The mysterious Indian negotiator in Amsterdam is not the man put in handcuffs in Detroit.



Muddy the waters Michael at it again ... where has anybody suggested this



posted on Jan, 3 2010 @ 07:14 AM
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Originally posted by JJay55
Always blaming the Jews.
Yeah, the Jews orchestrate all the evil all over the world, that's why they must be destroyed. They bring it on themselves and they are evil.

Who said anything about "the Jews?"

Probably just a coincidence that every terrorist incident originates at airports where Israeli-owned ICTS is in charge of "security."


Originally posted by JJay55

Originally posted by GoldenFleece
The Haskells are honest and sincere people who are simply relating their experiences -- which other passengers have backed up. OTOH, the government is as honest and credible as you.

I guess you know the Haskells personally, eh?
And like the balloon boy family they are looking for their own reality show because Octomom called and told me. And of course we should disregard all the professional airport and airline employees experiences because... well they aren't on TV blasting their story because... well they are... professional.

[snip] Why disregard the passengers' accounts, especially when they contradict government lies? What is it you think the Haskells want from all this? Publicity? Their own reality show?


Let's see those Amsterdam airport surveillance tapes so we can see who's lying and who's telling the truth.

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Removed two personal attacks

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