Bombshell Eyewitness Revelations: Confirmed FBI Cover-up Of Flight 253 Attack

Originally posted by Night Watchman
I have one question about the alleged camera man. If he knew the attack was going to take place, why would he record it since if it was successful the evidence would have been destroyed in the explosion?

Because he knew nothing serious was going to happen, this was obviously another publicity stunt to keep the propaganda machine running in full swing.

In the video the second woman describes this mystery man as having a camcorder as apposed to a phone which raises some questions (will the video footage turn up [processed] later on to further fuel the story in case it stagnates?).

Either way I am glad this one turned out to be a duff and no one got seriously hurt (apart from the idiot who tried to blow up his crown jewels).

Al-CIAda is just a puppet show a but how long until the ideology is seeded into some real fanatics half way around the world? Because I fear when the real deal happens and you get some 'real extremists' out for some carnage, they will not toy around and I dread to think what would happen then.

reply to post by L.HAMILTON


Thanks for posting this as we've seen mostly MSM talking points fed to them by the government/FBI from the outset of this incident. Perhaps this is a part of the fed story too, we wll see. The more commotion and uncertainty the better for TPTB in my estimation. These witnesses will be hammered on this forum I am certain but let the chips fall where they may. S&F

Update:

Just read passenger Rosenblith's account of his experience on the Flight and aftermath.

Only relevant portion to the brewing conspiracy theory so far:

www.huffingtonpost.com...

We stayed in the baggage claim area for 3 hours without any word of what happened next. We were only allowed into the bathroom one person at a time by an officer who guarded the door. Behind the line of our immediate security detail there were hundreds of other police officers moving around back and forth, as if they were on they were on the night watch guarding a military base from a potential threat. What they were doing was unclear.

The only thing that I recall happening is seeing an Indian guy off to the side, an older gentleman wearing a gray suit leaning against the wall. Suddenly there was a police officer next to him pulling his arms back and pulling handcuffs on him. The man didn't struggle, the bags which seemed to be his were left there, and he and the police officer disappeared around the corner.

So is this person described as "Indian" someone considered suspicious and questioned - or is there something more sinister? Maybe an AQ handling facilitators?


M

reply to post by mmiichael


Well If you can't answer my annoying questions I glad you can at least read the links I provide.

Still.

I wouldn't mind if you could answer a few of those pesky question.

Originally posted by Flakey
reply to post by mmiichael

 

Well If you can't answer my annoying questions I glad you can at least read the links I provide.

Still.

I wouldn't mind if you could answer a few of those pesky question.

I sometimes glance at a few hundred messages in a day, and respond to ones that seem either informed, or so outrageous they need addressing.

This is a public forum. Often one's points often are ignored. No one can be expected to respond to everything. Get used to it.

Or frame your contributions in a way where they attract more interest.


M

When the eyewitness said well-dressed Indian man, I bet he actually is Pakistani.

So why hide this mystery persons identuty im trying to understand what being suggested other than another CONSPIRACY?

Originally posted by Granite
When the eyewitness said well-dressed Indian man, I bet he actually is Pakistani.

That occurred to me. Americans just use "Indian" as a generic handle for Asians in that region. But India has one of the largest Muslim populations in the world - like 140 Million - so it's not inconceivable.

More significantly the critical part of the Haskell story - the man in Amsterdam commandeering the Nigerian through immigration saying he was Sudanese and didn't have a passport - is still to be confirmed.

If it turns out to be true - this is as big a bombshell as the attempted explosion.


M



[edit on 30-12-2009 by mmiichael]

Originally posted by mmiichael

Originally posted by GovtFlu

This guy relates that looking into the suspects eyes and observing no emotion, no discernible expressions.

Sounds like the CIAs drug of choice: Burundanga (scopolamine) which places people in a "trance like state" where they are open to suggestion and don't remember a damn thing about what happened... similar to a date rape drug.

Of course this guy looking into the suspects eyes is a better source than the father, friends, teachers, Al Qaida handlers who dealt with him on a day to day basis for years.

Conspiracists love fantasy - hate hard facts.

An eye witness present at the time of the incident has more relevant information about the incident... those people you mentioned were not there and could not say if the suspects mannerisms were normal or not. Maybe is is an angry young man, which would make him a perfect patsy to be exploited.

The fact that the suspect had a handler is an important clue.. Victims of rohypnol, which is similar, need someone to tell them what to do shortly before before they do it.. absent immediate instruction they'll just appear to be aimless and confused... as if wearing a chemical straight jacket.

Prior to retiring I ran across several "ruffies" victims, all female, on top of DRE training, testifying as an expert (after voir dire) and all that.

I don't know if this was a CIA op, but since the so called war on terror is just a bogus tool of control used by a govt with a proven track record of lying.. it would not surprise me if it was, used to justify more govt violence & control.

A spaced out suspect ready to ignite his own junk escorted by a handler.. with the US establishment responding with scripted nonsense about tighter security & more violence against yemen.. cui bono?

reply to post by Blackmarketeer


They were far better at these things when Bush was President, and better at lying to the public too.

Lets see, agencies could have prevented this but for some reason didn't, in fact may have either been behind it, or aided the terrorists.

A white house party recently was crashed and the secret service failed to prevent that.

Maybe you are right, perhaps this is a reminder to express very clearly to the President who is actually in control.

If they will go this far to keep Guantanamo in business, and to keep the war on terrorism going, how far are they willing to go to instigate a war with Iran?

God forbid we have a nuke go off in a major U.S. city and it is found out that Al Qadea terrorists were responsible and, that the bomb itself was made in Iran.

Originally posted by mmiichael


I sometimes glance at a few hundred messages in a day, and respond to ones that seem either informed, or so outrageous they need addressing.

It's how I imagine a day in the life of a paid blogger would sound like

[edit on 30-12-2009 by bigyin]

I don't know what to believe. Either extreme idiocy on the part of federal authorities or involvement? This is not the first time this has happened. JUst a few weeks ago, the exact same thing happened with the exact same poweder substance/syringe combinatin. Except in this case, the guy was caught, displaying an overwhelming advantage that somali authorities apparently have in stopping such terrorist activities.

The prospect of the Christmas Day bomber being the second in a wave of attacks was raised today when it emerged that last month a Somali tried to board a commercial flight armed with explosive materials

In a chilling similarity with the attempt by Nigerian-born Umar Farouk Abdulmutallab to down a flight heading for Detroit in the U.S., the Somali was arrested carrying powdered chemicals, liquid and a syringe that could have caused an explosion.

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Gimme a break. These guys had prior warnings of the recent attack, and also the method is not original. Their actions are shameful.

Originally posted by bigyin

Originally posted by mmiichael


I sometimes glance at a few hundred messages in a day, and respond to ones that seem either informed, or so outrageous they need addressing.

It's how I imagine a day in the life of a paid blogger would sound like

[edit on 30-12-2009 by bigyin]

What does this have to do with the topic?
Seems to me there are more derailers since this Christmas incident. Reminds me of the old days when agent provacateurs shared computers in Indonesia. Now cyber terrorism has expanded to new dimension.
Like dogdick gnats. heh.

reply to post by JJay55


It has to do with the topic because as shown in multiple threads regarding terrorist (9/11 and forward), anyone that speaks out against those that believe it all to be a big lie or even question that it could possibly be, are labeled as such.....paid disinformation agent, paid blogger, etc.

Reason here is drowned out by people with fantastical ideas that there is, in every situation an Us Vs. Them mentality and we must break the confines of the conspiracies that they have woven!

Originally posted by GovtFlu
I don't know if this was a CIA op, but since the so called war on terror is just a bogus tool of control used by a govt with a proven track record of lying.. it would not surprise me if it was, used to justify more govt violence & control.

A spaced out suspect ready to ignite his own junk escorted by a handler.. with the US establishment responding with scripted nonsense about tighter security & more violence against yemen.. cui bono?

The US govt, not wanting to tip off the opposition, doesn't open it's intelligence files to the public or evenery doubting conspiracy wing nut - so the conclusion is they have to be lying about everything.

Maybe there never really was a Communist threat. It was all the CIA trying to make fun-loving peaceful Russians look bad.

Maybe the collective the Muslim world just wants to export it's dried figs and study the Koran. All those terrible things being reported are false flag CIA operations.

I'd say some of the views expressed on this forum are high school thinking. But that would insult high school kids.

reply to post by mmiichael


Middle of the road thinkers are not very welcome here. One must be on the extremes to be liked here. I find this completely hilarious considering most people will spout out something along the lines of "that kind of black and white thinking....", when invariably they have presented the same black and white thinking only applied to their views, so thus it is correct and right!

Pistachios, it's about pistachios.
This 253 story is being squashed really quickly which tells me alot.

Originally posted by JJay55
Pistachios, it's about pistachios.
This 253 story is being squashed really quickly which tells me alot.

They didn't know that they knew... it's that they should have known what was actually unknown because it was sub-sourced intelligence. So they really didn't know anything because of the vagueness and the lack of their ability to follow up on it.

Here, let them explain it...

source

Sources tell CBS News that it appears the CIA information on "the Nigerian" was limited including his actual identity because it was coming from sub-sourcing. That means the information was one or two steps removed from the origin source who had contact with Abdulmutallab or who eyeballed him associating with individuals with suspected or known links to al Qaeda.

The sub-source apparently told the CIA that the person of interest dubbed "the Nigerian" held extremist views, had the ability to travel outside the region, and was being embraced and groomed by those who ascribe to al Qaeda.

Information provided by sub-sources often present challenges to the intelligence community because of their vagueness and the lack of ability to follow up on the information.

It is entertaining, seeing how they explain things over time.

I wonder, in a month what they will be saying?




[edit on 30-12-2009 by Walkswithfish]

Originally posted by ownbestenemy
reply to post by mmiichael

 

Middle of the road thinkers are not very welcome here. One must be on the extremes to be liked here. I find this completely hilarious considering most people will spout out something along the lines of "that kind of black and white thinking....", when invariably they have presented the same black and white thinking only applied to their views, so thus it is correct and right!

You may prefer the expression "middle of the road" I have no goal being liked or dislike - or collecting points or launching threads to pick up stars, flags, whatever the marking system is.

I just try to apply credibly sourced independently verified data against cherry picked factoids, snippets from history, speculations repeated to the point they become accepted as facts.

I explicitly or implicitly state what I believe is based on currently avaiable information.

In few months I expect we'll have a different picture or a number of pictures.

So far, as with 9/11, Major Hasan, et al - this looks like the intelligence agencies not co-ordinating their information and perpetrators slipping through the cracks.

Hopefully heads will roll in Washington, Virginia, and somewhere in Yemen.


M

reply to post by Blackmarketeer


.... Remind Obama? .. When Bush was in office it was supposed to be HE, and Cheney, who ordered these attacks... Obama is in office and now it's "reminding" him??? I don't get why people seem to think "hes on our side" .. He's one of them, he talks, acts and consorts with the same people in the same way..