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Bombshell Eyewitness Revelations: Confirmed FBI Cover-up Of Flight 253 Attack

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posted on Dec, 30 2009 @ 07:13 PM
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The phrase was due to a lack of better phrase.

Middle of the road = logical, fact based and fact backed thinking and understanding without knee-jerking your reactions.

I guess, apply middle of the road compared to the extremes (both sides) that have been seen throughout these posts.

In all and all, I agree with you.




posted on Dec, 30 2009 @ 07:48 PM
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Sure all they talk about is new technology and new procedures.
Its about time to procedure this:
Open up a can how it happened.
I thought this was an eyewitness to some 9/11/01 caper but 911
must have the same threats as this one doing down.



posted on Dec, 30 2009 @ 07:53 PM
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Well, there is only one truth. It doesn't matter where it comes from, so when someone immediately discredits Alex Jones when all he did was interview a witness who happens to be lawyer, and it's his account officials are now reacting to, it makes Mmiicheal's cynicism of AJ misplaced on this issue thus far.

Mr. Haskell was on AJ's radio show again today and he's reiterating his point about a person of interest who helped the perp get onto the plane in Amsterdam. Someone helped the perp get through customs according to Haskell.

There are inconsistencies in the FBI's story of what happened regarding this issue while Mr. Haskell's story has never changed.

And...you'd have to blind at this point to not see he's driving these issues right now and the FBI is reacting to him. They'd rather not deal with this 2nd person being detained but since some witnesses spoke up, they had to deal.

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For this episode to already trigger new security measure at airports and military action in Yemen, it sure does smell like a false flag scenario to further the New World Order.

That's New World Order...world governance. The thing only the lunatic fringe believed in a decade ago but now is quickly becoming the overwhelming majority.



posted on Dec, 30 2009 @ 08:07 PM
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Originally posted by ownbestenemy

The phrase was due to a lack of better phrase.

Middle of the road = logical, fact based and fact backed thinking and understanding without knee-jerking your reactions.

I guess, apply middle of the road compared to the extremes (both sides) that have been seen throughout these posts.

In all and all, I agree with you.


Thanks, and reassuring to know there are people around here interested in learning more rather than just having their beliefs reinforced.

Whole sections of legal systems revolve around the unreliability of witness testimony. Confusion, imperfect memory, prompting pressure, attention-seeking agendas often distort what people recall.

One doesn't get coverage and opportunities to promote themselves and their businesses by giving vague uncertain accounts. If you come out with something controversial or sensational you have a ready made forum and an audience.

Even if this recounting proves to be inaccurate, which I expect here, the story will enter the permanent record of conspiracy lore. And this guy Haskell will dine out on it for years to come.


Mike



posted on Dec, 30 2009 @ 09:09 PM
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Originally posted by mmiichael

Originally posted by ownbestenemy

The phrase was due to a lack of better phrase.

Middle of the road = logical, fact based and fact backed thinking and understanding without knee-jerking your reactions.

I guess, apply middle of the road compared to the extremes (both sides) that have been seen throughout these posts.

In all and all, I agree with you.


Thanks, and reassuring to know there are people around here interested in learning more rather than just having their beliefs reinforced.

Whole sections of legal systems revolve around the unreliability of witness testimony. Confusion, imperfect memory, prompting pressure, attention-seeking agendas often distort what people recall.

One doesn't get coverage and opportunities to promote themselves and their businesses by giving vague uncertain accounts. If you come out with something controversial or sensational you have a ready made forum and an audience.

Even if this recounting proves to be inaccurate, which I expect here, the story will enter the permanent record of conspiracy lore. And this guy Haskell will dine out on it for years to come.


Mike



If I am reading your passage correctly, I hear you saying that the lawyer has an agenda. And to imply that his eyewitness testimony, though not under oath, is disingenuous?

Is he that transparent, or are you that discerning?

Or is it both. Yes I do believe that lawyers are college educated crooks, for the most part, and numerous jokes abound regarding the profession.

Who would you believe then, a nun, a swami? Your relative?

I think I have seen two separate eye witnesses, from different sources, and one is a lawyer, the other a mid twenties young man. To my discernment the stories dovetail and corroborate each other. Maybe they are in some kind of conspiracy to further both of their careers, perhaps?

With your power of discernment and others opcity, you should,could become the new scanning device at airports, do you think?



posted on Dec, 30 2009 @ 09:25 PM
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Originally posted by fmcanarney
If I am reading your passage correctly, I hear you saying that the lawyer has an agenda. And to imply that his eyewitness testimony, though not under oath, is disingenuous?

Is he that transparent, or are you that discerning?

Or is it both. Yes I do believe that lawyers are college educated crooks, for the most part, and numerous jokes abound regarding the profession.


I don't have answers to something I have no direct input into. But a lot of experience sepaprating bonafide testimony from bad information.

Just guessing, this guy Haskell observed something like the scene in Amsterdam where an African kid tried to board a plane without a passport, and some well-dressed guy intervened.

Even if it happened, I stronlgy doubt it was our Nigerian bomber. It has been established he had a passport and appropriate visas. Him boarding a plane with no passport and a bomb on him seems inconceivable.

Haskell may have been sincere but mistaken. But as this is becoming a career opportunity he has to stick with his story. It is possible, though, he fabricated or exaggerated the Amsterdam no-passport incident.

There is something missing or misreported. For certain it is not a CIA operation. The last thing they would do is draw attention to some stooge by not giving them a passport.

More pieces of the puzzle are needed to form a picture.

This guy Haskell seems to be the weakest link. At this point I doubt his story is correct.


M



posted on Dec, 30 2009 @ 09:36 PM
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You read a few hundred or several hundred posts a day?

Are you sure you are a reliable and credible witness to that fact?

You report this :"Haskell may have been sincere but mistaken. But as this is becoming a career opportunity he has to stick with his story. It is possible, though, he fabricated or exaggerated the Amsterdam no-passport incident."

I think you are either fabricating or exaggerating how many post you read a day.
Do not take this personally. It is just my opinion and my $0.02 worth.



posted on Dec, 30 2009 @ 10:06 PM
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Originally posted by fmcanarney
I think you are either fabricating or exaggerating how many post you read a day.
Do not take this personally. It is just my opinion and my $0.02 worth.


I'm on a couple real discussion lists that take up proper concentration - this one's for entertainment.

Reading a few hundred posts especially around here is nothing. Half are rehashes, one-liners or predictable.

As I probably have read a minimum 50,000 words a day since I was a kid - no big accomplishment.



M



posted on Dec, 30 2009 @ 10:15 PM
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Wow, you should do this for a living.

Wouldn't it be nice to get paid to read and post.

Maybe the FBI should consider hiring people to do damage control on discussion groups.

I wonder if they have thought of that.



posted on Dec, 30 2009 @ 10:21 PM
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www.wired.com...

Already in the works. For all we know it is in effect. Considering the power of propaganda it would seem like a logical decision.



posted on Dec, 30 2009 @ 10:22 PM
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I love it....people state their opinions using their logic and understanding of a situation and because it goes against the mantra that everything must be a conspiracy they are put into the paid blogger status or disinformation ranks.

Mike - I am sure you have your own voice and not sticking up for you, but merely pointing out an observation in regards to what can be seen here.

Hell, I get it in my own family from a sibling...we disagree on the health care issue and because I fall on the side of thinking we are going about it in the wrong way, I am just a Republican right-winger that hates babies and wish all immigrants would be flushed down the toilet.

I wonder where most of the intelligent conversations happen where people do not have to resort to making claims on persons without knowing actually who they are....

Back on topic:

Ask any police agency how much weight they put into eyewitness accounts, especially ones that cannot be collaborated. Ask a prosecutor if they are willing to use such an account in court and they will most likely tell you that it is worthless due to the very nature of humans.

For the most part, we will embellish, add details that were not there, see things in a way that they never occurred, place people in places where they never were.

Is this Haskell guy lying? I do not know, but I wouldn't put much stock in his account as being the end-all information.

[edit on 30-12-2009 by ownbestenemy]



posted on Dec, 30 2009 @ 11:15 PM
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They are using this to create support for expanding the endless war and take away more freedom, The incident seems low keyed, they don't even need much fuss any more. They have us so conditioned to accepting excuses to further war and to give up feedom that we tend to go along. Just a lazy nod from our unfocused lack of awareness is enough to empower them. We need to wake up and see who the real enemies are.



posted on Dec, 30 2009 @ 11:32 PM
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Isn't that just pure speculation though?

I have a question for everyone:

What if it were real? That there is a group of people in the world that hate western civilization and all its intended and unintended consequences. The United States is the main cause of that western type of civilization so they will target us in hopes to drive fear into us and change the political landscape and the population views?

I should make that a separate thread and enjoy the roasting that would ensue because of it



posted on Dec, 31 2009 @ 12:30 AM
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Originally posted by ownbestenemy
reply to post by m khan
 


Isn't that just pure speculation though?

I have a question for everyone:

What if it were real? That there is a group of people in the world that hate western civilization and all its intended and unintended consequences. The United States is the main cause of that western type of civilization so they will target us in hopes to drive fear into us and change the political landscape and the population views?

I should make that a separate thread and enjoy the roasting that would ensue because of it


Hmm lets see, if this was real and a group did exist somewhere in the world then that country airport and it WHOLE staff should be questioned on how did that guy managed to break security, find out who was with the plan,fire them or take them to court with REAL evidence and do what there is to do, and properly make sure things go under guidelines rules and laws then find a new better way to secure that country airport, instead of putting up scanners and making all these rules and laws in making your flight less comfortable in your own country. Any Int'l flights thats heading to the USA are the USA government problem. So ask your self this question.........

Why are the civilians of the USA who PAY for a service to get them from point A to point B, who puts money in that company and its owner pockets, have to be loose their privacy and freedom, and be seen as a criminal and could be stopped,checked,taken to a backroom and be detained randomly for no reason and have to be watched every step you take in a place that YOU helped built,helping to run and helping putting money to their pockets with your OWN HARD WORKING MONEY plus the tax they take from us, Do you want to feel like you're a criminal when you just an hard working average joe just to feel "safer" ?


Better yet, put it in this way, Will you be OK if the government came into your home and put up cameras, putting a device that will scan you when you leave and enter your home, telling you how to live in your own home and that they just doing it for your protection, Are you going to give up that freedom and still feel comfortable ? Or do you like to be told what to do, think and act?

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posted on Dec, 31 2009 @ 01:58 AM
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Originally posted by ownbestenemy
I love it....people state their opinions using their logic and understanding of a situation and because it goes against the mantra that everything must be a conspiracy they are put into the paid blogger status or disinformation ranks.

Mike - I am sure you have your own voice and not sticking up for you, but merely pointing out an observation in regards to what can be seen here.

Hell, I get it in my own family from a sibling...we disagree on the health care issue and because I fall on the side of thinking we are going about it in the wrong way, I am just a Republican right-winger that hates babies and wish all immigrants would be flushed down the toilet.

I wonder where most of the intelligent conversations happen where people do not have to resort to making claims on persons without knowing actually who they are....

Back on topic:

Ask any police agency how much weight they put into eyewitness accounts, especially ones that cannot be collaborated. Ask a prosecutor if they are willing to use such an account in court and they will most likely tell you that it is worthless due to the very nature of humans.

For the most part, we will embellish, add details that were not there, see things in a way that they never occurred, place people in places where they never were.

Is this Haskell guy lying? I do not know, but I wouldn't put much stock in his account as being the end-all information.



Hi,

Just in from too many drinks with someone I haven't seen in months. So excuse semi-coherence.

It looks like you've come to it intuitively. First hand accounts especially if there is pressure or an agenda - are worthless. As the hundreds of guys, almost all black, who have been released from life sentences or death row by DNA evidence will tell you. Almost all were convicted by bad testimony.
people make mistakes, people lie.

This Haskell testimony is interesting. It may be the real good. I'll bet dollars to donuts he's a fruitcake opportunist who sees an opportunity for media attention and self-promotion.

His claim is he saw an African guy put on a plane in Amsterdam without a passport.

Some heavy duty corroboration of that is needed. Otherwise it's just a story - and a tough one to swallow.


M




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posted on Dec, 31 2009 @ 03:14 PM
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A Jewish Muslim would likely explode in a sort of matter/anti-matter reaction.

I would like to see it



posted on Dec, 31 2009 @ 03:41 PM
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Originally posted by mmiichael
*snip*

His claim is he saw an African guy put on a plane in Amsterdam without a passport.

Some heavy duty corroboration of that is needed. Otherwise it's just a story - and a tough one to swallow.


M
[edit on 31-12-2009 by mmiichael]


Shouldn't be too terribly hard to at least support (or not) the story, since they have the bad guy, and the plane he was on, and all his stuff, and the person who let him on the plane, and security cam evidence (presumably), and....



posted on Dec, 31 2009 @ 03:49 PM
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I just saw this on FOX yes I know FOX...

They were interviewing a NYP detective "I think" and the big battle/statements he was making/claiming is.

That as long as plans are on the net, and the U S continues to ignore this, and not take actions to control the info. on the net, how is anyone going to police anything that the plans are there for the whole world to see/use.

I find it alarming that a failed plane attack would warrant, some federal mod, to filter our info. or to twist it around wanting more control of it, and blaiming the U S gov't.

I think blaiming them is the best/worst way to get the attention or action he thinks is needed, I doubt he knows the full extent of what he just said to the nation.



posted on Dec, 31 2009 @ 03:54 PM
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I believe that is the point and considering it is an active investigation, the details of what is being looked into won't be released anytime soon, if ever....it is sad on that point because somethings after everything is all said and done should be opened up....but only once they have all the information and all the details to get as many of the people involved nabbed.



posted on Dec, 31 2009 @ 03:57 PM
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Originally posted by mmiichael


This Haskell testimony is interesting. It may be the real good. I'll bet dollars to donuts he's a fruitcake opportunist who sees an opportunity for media attention and self-promotion.


That is not unbiased journalist integrity. That is just kind of mean. And a little sad. That Haskell fellow Was coming from Africa because he was coming back from an adoption. I have not heard him mention what he does for a living. Not once.

You make it out to sound like he is selling a book or something. He is not. He has put himself in the center of the spotlight to be exposed to ridiculous scrutiny and and insults from people like yourself just so he could let people know what he saw and what went down.

Sucks that you got to paint him as a fruitcake because he believes in doing the right thing.



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