Man Attempts to Set Off Explosives on Plane

Originally posted by JJay55

Originally posted by Libertygal
Ok read it again. This was prior to 9/11.

It started with Israel and spread because we support Israel. The US is the only remaining ally to Israel.

It was after 9/11 that Bin Laden made a speech to the Citizens of America, in which he outlined his reasoning

Oh I get it now. It's ok for muslims to use acts of terrorism because bin Laden told everyone that the US is a friend to Israel.
Carrion.

What?!

Who said that?

You are a wee bit on the defensive, aren't you?

Understanding the enemy is not supporting the enemy.

Al Qaeda are doing what they are doing because this is what he told them jihad was all about, and why he wanted it.

I usually star almost all of your posts, because they speak a good majority of the truth, but you have come out swinging at someone for no reason whatsoever.

I think you need a drink and a break, you let these people get to you.

Originally posted by JJay55

Originally posted by Libertygal
The belief that the CIA is training and releasing these guys is just that, a belief.

Oh yeah. Who's belief is this? That makes so much sense.

That was a reply in a post to Proto, who made that claim.

Really, you are attacking the wrong person, here.

Originally posted by Libertygal

Originally posted by JJay55

Originally posted by Libertygal
Ok read it again. This was prior to 9/11.

It started with Israel and spread because we support Israel. The US is the only remaining ally to Israel.

It was after 9/11 that Bin Laden made a speech to the Citizens of America, in which he outlined his reasoning

Oh I get it now. It's ok for muslims to use acts of terrorism because bin Laden told everyone that the US is a friend to Israel.
Carrion.

What?!

Who said that?

You are a wee bit on the defensive, aren't you?

Understanding the enemy is not supporting the enemy.

Al Qaeda are doing what they are doing because this is what he told them jihad was all about, and why he wanted it.

I usually star almost all of your posts, because they speak a good majority of the truth, but you have come out swinging at someone for no reason whatsoever.

I think you need a drink and a break, you let these people get to you.

Are you under the impression that terrorism started with bin Laden?

Originally posted by JJay55

Originally posted by Libertygal


The main problem is we are in the countries, killing their women and children, and oppressing them. It started with Israel and spread to us because we support Isreal. Then, we invaded Iraq and Afghanistan.

That is from the horses mouth, Bin Laden.

What? This is an amazing new discovery, care to expand on this?

I did.

Read the post, I linked to his speech, you know, tthe other post you attacked me for?

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Are you under the impression I said that?

Second thoughts on the drink and the break, perhaps you have had too many already.

Originally posted by Libertygal

Originally posted by JJay55

Originally posted by Libertygal
The belief that the CIA is training and releasing these guys is just that, a belief.

Oh yeah. Who's belief is this? That makes so much sense.

That was a reply in a post to Proto, who made that claim.

Really, you are attacking the wrong person, here.

Are you claiming to be a victim of something? What? No one is attacking you. Settle down turbo.

The CIA isn't training terrorists, to suggest that shows great inexperience.

Originally posted by Libertygal

Originally posted by JJay55

Originally posted by Libertygal


The main problem is we are in the countries, killing their women and children, and oppressing them. It started with Israel and spread to us because we support Isreal. Then, we invaded Iraq and Afghanistan.

That is from the horses mouth, Bin Laden.

What? This is an amazing new discovery, care to expand on this?

I did.

Read the post, I linked to his speech, you know, tthe other post you attacked me for?

I never attacked you, really. Just asking a few questions.
bin Laden's actions are based on Islamic ideology, while Israel plays a part in the general popular support the message bin Laden is sending is fard ayn and hiraba. Basically what you are saying...

reply to post by JJay55


As I already said, that was in reply to Proto, who made the claim, here:

www.abovetopsecret.com...

in this thread.

GITMO is nothing but a terrorist training school. They pluck young combatants off the killing fields of Afghanistan and Iraq and other places and house them with the diehard zealots that they keep indefinately without trial there at GITMO.

While they are there they are mentored by this group, given points of contact and then released back out into the world to keep the security industrial complex and military industrial complex and the phoney war on terror in business.

The whole process is an absolute farce, that anyone with a grain of common sense can see for what it is, a CIA Terrorist Training School.

To which I made my reply:

"The belief that the CIA is training and releasing these guys is just that, a belief. "

Originally posted by Jordan River

Originally posted by Hemisphere

Originally posted by Jordan River

Originally posted by Hemisphere

And so this "poppycock" agrees with your above statement and as much as that likely infuriates you I'm afraid it needs exploration in another, more religious oriented forum here on ATS.

Nah I agree with you. It does look like you do have a reasonable argument. I could go on and fight and struggle but I rather not. like you said.

get a star

You are too kind and not feeling your best. I'm not trying to win, I'm hoping to learn and you help that by challenging me to express my thinking fully. We are all exploring these occurrences whether current or Biblical from a considerable distance. We've got to call BS on each other early and often!

Feel better my friend!

Originally posted by Libertygal


The whole process is an absolute farce, that anyone with a grain of common sense can see for what it is, a CIA Terrorist Training School.

To which I made my reply:

"The belief that the CIA is training and releasing these guys is just that, a belief. "

A belief? No, more like total BS.
Don't support anyone who thinks the US is the source of terrorism because we are not.
let Islam stand up and take responsibility for their actions rather than playing the victim. This muslim trained in Yemen and endangered alot of people. The CIA didn't make that happen nor did the US.
To enable people who believe this is just as bad as supporting terrorism.

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"The belief that the CIA is training and releasing these guys is just that, a belief. "

"If you go down in the streets today you better open your eyes" -Led Zeppelin Misty Mountain Hop

The proof is in the pudding, which is the end result.

Fact the CIA runs the whole process of catch house and release of enemy combatants.

Fact they take mostly young combatants off the battlefields of the war on terror and house them with senior militiant religious zealots and extremists.

These senior leaders mentor them and provide them with contacts on the outside.

Fact the CIA then releases them back out into the world.

The net effect is the net effect. So either the CIA is the most incompetent intelligence agency on the planet, or they are deliberately training people at GITMO to be terrorists.

That's reality not opinion, how ever some people want to justify it or make excuses for it is opinion.

The CIA in reality trained most of the senior militants and extremists back during the Soviet War in Afghanistan.

This is a CIA project start to finish and the results are not unintentional the results are enabling the military industrial and security industrial complex to bleed our treasury bone dry and into staggering debt and for government and it's officials to grab for more and more power at the expense of the Constitution.

This is the net result of how this program is being run. That's not opinion, that's the bottom line.

Wow, what a thread!

24 hours later, on a road trip, driving through that white, slippery global warming stuff in Oklahoma and stopping for the night to find this thread has grown into a monster!

Great distraction for the masses, media and especially ATS... Couldn't have planned a better diversion eh?

Now you all know the secret to having a great thread on ATS, find some fool, get him to set his pants on fire on a plane, or in a public place and then shout "AL QAEDA" ... It would help if you can get the media to sensationalize the whole thing, and have the FBI and CIA play along.



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Yep, have to agree with you.

Like I said, Yemen seems to be a hotbed of activity lately, and this just goes to substantiate that assessment.

People aren't going to realize what's going on until they start climbing on school buses, going to the malls and shopping centers, and the likes, just like what has become the norm in Israel.

The government will attempt to cover it up only so long before they have to admit the truth.

Napolitano even stated a couple of weeks ago, homegrown terrorism is here. I dread 2010 for this very reason.

December 7, 2009

www.latimes.com...

U.S. sees homegrown Muslim extremism as rising threat
This may have been the most dangerous year since 9/11, anti-terrorism experts say.

(snip)

* There were major arrests of Americans accused of plotting with Al Qaeda and its allies, including an Afghan American charged in a New York bomb plot described as the most serious threat in this country since the Sept. 11 attacks.

* Authorities tracked other extremism suspects joining foreign networks, including Somali Americans going to the battlegrounds of their ancestral homeland and an Albanian American from Brooklyn who was arrested in Kosovo.

* The FBI rounded up homegrown terrorism suspects in Dallas, Detroit and Raleigh, N.C., saying that it had broken up plots targeting a synagogue, government buildings and military facilities.

Last week, Homeland Security Secretary Janet Napolitano issued her strongest public comments yet on the homegrown threat.

"We've seen an increased number of arrests here in the U.S. of individuals suspected of plotting terrorist attacks, or supporting terror groups abroad such as Al Qaeda," Napolitano said in a speech in New York. "Home-based terrorism is here. And, like violent extremism abroad, it will be part of the threat picture that we must now confront."

(snip)

"You are seeing the full spectrum of the threats you face in terrorism," former Homeland Security Secretary Michael Chertoff said.

"Radicalization is clearly happening in the U.S.," said Mitchell Silber, director of analysis for the Intelligence Division of the New York Police Department. "In years past, you couldn't say that about the U.S. You could say it about Europe."

"A larger trend has emerged that is not surprising, but is disturbing," Chertoff said. "You are beginning to see the fruits of the pipeline that Al Qaeda built to train Westerners and send them back to their homelands. . . . This underscores the central significance of disrupting the pipeline at its source."

A campaign of U.S. airstrikes launched last year has pounded Al Qaeda hide-outs in Pakistan. But the flow of trainees gathered momentum in 2007 when Pakistani security forces ceded turf to militant groups, officials said. The suspect in the New York plot, Najibullah Zazi, and the Long Island convert, Bryant Neal Vinas, allegedly met in Pakistan in 2008 and discussed attacks on U.S. targets with Al Qaeda chiefs.

Some feel radicalization in the United States has been worse than authorities thought for some time.

"People focused on the idea that we're different, we're better at integrating Muslims than Europe is," said Zeyno Baran, a scholar at the Hudson Institute, a think tank in Washington. "But there's radicalization -- especially among converts [and] newcomers, such as the Somali case shows. I think young U.S. Muslims today are as prone to radicalization as Muslims in Europe."

"The profile in Europe is in general quite different [from U.S. extremists]: more working-class or even underclass," said a European intelligence official who requested anonymity for security reasons. "But it's a bit simplistic to make assumptions. We have seen everything in Europe -- educated people, doctors involved in terrorism. The underclass argument is not enough."

There is quite enough evidence to support all of this, from our own government. They are also just busy using weapons of mass distraction, like the healthcare fight, among others.

The US media is in compliance as well, with stories like Tiger Woods, and others.

What the people don't know won't hurt them.

reply to post by ProtoplasmicTraveler


I do think that if these young people were the combatants and threats they are accused of being they would likely have been shot during the combat. There would be little inside info to be gleaned from imprisoning teenagers. If they weren't combative going in they sure as hell will be combative when released. What hateful teachings would need to be transferred? An unwarranted imprisonment would do that by itself.

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its people like you that need to get your head out of the sand and face the fact there are bad people out there that have no value for any life particularly those in the west and the only way to deal with it is by force,,,you need to get real

Originally posted by Hemisphere
reply to post by ProtoplasmicTraveler

 

I do think that if these young people were the combatants and threats they are accused of being they would likely have been shot during the combat. There would be little inside info to be gleaned from imprisoning teenagers. If they weren't combative going in they sure as hell will be combative when released. What hateful teachings would need to be transferred? An unwarranted imprisonment would do that by itself.

Exactly and when you stop to realize that the CIA guys running this program are supposed to be the sharpest tacks on the board...

Then there really is no conclusion but that they are looking deliberately for that net result.

They have had the laws of both War and the Criminal Code rewritten in Washington to have carte blanche control over these detainees and to handle them in any way they want and this is the way that they have chosen to handle them.

The net effect speaks for itself.

reply to post by ProtoplasmicTraveler


On September 22, 2004, ten prisoners were brought from Afghanistan. That is the last date I can find that prisoners were sent to Gitmo. There now remains less than 245.

The whole thing about Bush/Cheney was that they allowed the CIA to abuse prisoners and waterboarded them to get information, then detained them indefinitely without trial, thereby violating their alleged rights.

Isn't this the whole point behind closing Gitmo, for Obama?

So they also trained them and set them free? I am confused by this reasoning.

I guess if someone waterboarded me then set me free, I might try to get back at them too.


edit to insert word find in second sentence

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reply to post by Libertygal


Yes well thanks for posting that daily breifing from Langley!

They run people in and out of GITMO all the time the CIA maintains a vast clandestine prison network around the world.

Clandestine network being a key word. The Senators on the Hill have a hard time getting all the real info.

The Miami Herald covers the comings and goings the best at GITMO if you are really interested in finding out more, because of the large Cuban population here and the closeness geographically to the island.

You will find both editorials in the Miami Herald accusing the Government of running a terrorist training school there as well as a few politicians stating the same.

Or people are welcome to keep looking to Egypt and that beautiful river they have there called De Nile!

reply to post by ProtoplasmicTraveler



Heh, cannot help it, you make me laugh.

So congress cannot get this info, yet, you are somehow privy? Enlightening!


Now, there is an article, and you are right! It is Bush's fault!

King isn't blaming the Obama team for what happened. "If [Abdulmutallab] was known about for two years, then that goes back into the Bush administration," King says.

www.washingtonexaminer.com... 7.html

I'm baaaaack,

Has this been posted?

www.independent.co.uk...

His father, Umaru, is the former economics minister of Nigeria. He retired earlier this month as the chairman of the First Bank of Nigeria but is still on the boards of several of Nigeria's biggest firms, including Jaiz International, a holding company for the Islamic Bank. The 70-year-old, who was also educated in London, holds the Commander of the Order of the Niger as well as the Italian Order of Merit.

This aint your average terrorist, can I say terrorist?, lol



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