Spectacular Phenomena In The Sky. What Is It?

Originally posted by TruthxIsxInxThexMist

Originally posted by zoomer72

Originally posted by Erasurehead

what troubles me with this one is : when you look at the red squared vapor trail.... now it desintegrates after a while in atmosphere right...

well according to that photo something was coming down from sky....

see how the trail is getting wider on top and getting densed toward low part of the picture... if something was rocketed up shouldnt it be other way around?

Not neccessarily...

The Spiralling of the object could have started off in small circular motions which got wider as the object reached higher altitude....

Anyway i thought this thread would have stopped by now with all the proof of what lies in those surrounding areas.... it's now 75 pages long!!

[edit on 10-12-2009 by TruthxIsxInxThexMist]

I think what zoomer72 was saying is that in the red circle, the tightest part of the smoke is to the horizon or to the ground meaning that was the direction it would be traveling in. When smoke release out of a turnbine or motor or what ever power source it comes from the cone is tight. As the smoke sits, the cone becomes wider and distorted. In this picture, the cone is wide in the atmosphere and tight towards the ground/horizon indicating direction of travel.

Nice job Zoomer72!

reply to post by LDragonFire


In a word 'NO' there has not yet been any video footage of a failing rocket / missile creating the same perfect spiral effect ... there have been a few simulations posted (see post by 'john124').

And the more claims for this outcome I here, the less it seems like a viable possibility.

Woody

As i said in another thread, does anyone know what stars in the night sky was the beam focused on in norway.

Anyone know from on ground in norway, what stars where behind the beam and where the beam was focused?

The Norwegian newspaper "VG" has now this report, this is a translation:

"Light phenomena was failed Russian rocket

The mysterious light phenomena over Northern Norway Wednesday morning was caused by another failed rocket launch from the Russian military.

The Russian Minister of Defence admitted Thursday that their intercontinental ballistic rocket has failed for the eight time, writes the news agency AP.

Now the solution to the light phenomena over Northern Norway on Wednesday has been found: The strange, giant spiral was a Baluva rocket which was launched from the atomic U-boat «Dmitry Donskoi" in Kvitsjøen by Arkhangelsk."

www.vg.no...

reply to post by Akkadian


Thanks Akkadian!

thats just what i meant! english is not my main language so
explaining things is sometimes hard put you got what i was thinking
cheers!

I just read the local newspaper, and a local fisherman was interweived and he claimed to seen debris falling from the sky. Hitting the ocean in high velocity creating steam when going into the water.
But noone could tell if this had anything to do with the rocket.

This happend in Grøtfjord, not far from Tromsø at same time as the spiral died.
coordinats of impact: 6950096 north
01932070 east

Once again for the blue beam theory.

Why would they leave a lasting design in the sky (the blue exhaust/ white exhaust) for so long?

If you are trying to get away with creating designs in the sky, you do not keep "shooting" lasers/ light into the sky so others can track down where they originate from.

Once someone on this theory can explain this, then I will be more inclined to consider it.

reply to post by cavscout11cav


Can people tell us, from the ground in norway, what stars was at the focus in the night sky?

Just a thought.

Originally posted by Chillidog1
I'm curious to know if 1.618 figures into the spirals. I've been very fascinated with the whole PSI-Golden measurement thing and whenever I see a spiral pattern that seems to be the first thing that comes to mind. Does look like what I think a out of control rocket would look like. However the fact that there isn't some kind of a self destruct explosion after it loses control raises my eyebrow and my curiosity. The timing is interesting too with the whole Obama trip and all. I don't think this is the beginning of disclosure though. It would be nice. It is so long overdue. I just don't think TPTB are going to let us in on that one anytime soon. They make more money in a day of War, Lies, and Control than they do in a year of Peace, Truth, and Freedom.

It does not work out to the golden ratio. Try it yourself in photoshop -- the lines have to get a little fatter every time. In this one the POV trick makes it seem pretty perfect.

Originally posted by Gromle
I just read the local newspaper, and a local fisherman was interweived and he claimed to seen debris falling from the sky. Hitting the ocean in high velocity creating steam when going into the water.
But noone could tell if this had anything to do with the rocket.

This happend in Grøtfjord, not far from Tromsø at same time as the spiral died.
coordinats of impact: 6950096 north
01932070 east

Just a little more evidence and hopefully the bluebeam hysteria will go away

reply to post by cavscout11cav


Logic would say they were trying to stimulate an event but what that is no one knows. Possibly a climatic phenomenon or something else. Hard to say but the missile theory still doesn't add up. Im going with focused magnetic beam to stimulate some form of matter. Makes the most sense

reply to post by LDragonFire

Found this, it's not really that great but does show how unstable the missile could have been.

www.youtube.com...

and there's this promo vid for the Buluva system.

www.youtube.com...

Originally posted by jukiodone2

Originally posted by Pryde
I admit it doesnt sufficently explain the spiral (the shell spins as it has rifled fins to maintain stability). But this sort of spiral would perhaps last 30 secs at the most, if that. So I am at odds as to why it was present for so long. I mean it could also be a hologram, that seems to fit the characteristics of the case much better than anything else. But as to why the military would do that and then cover it up, beats me.

Interesting ...could you provde a link to the video of your evidence of Railguns leaving a trail of plasma as I'd love to see that effect in action.

Only time I've ever seen that kind of thing was in the movies???

I doubt you'd see it in real rail-gun footage since it would be hard to capture with anything but a highly sensitive camera (perhaps I'm wrong), but any hyper-velocity object in our atmosphere will smash into air molecules, breaking them into ions along with ions stripped from the object itself. That is what plasma is.

The classic example is a hyper-velocity meteoroid entering our atmosphere. The physics are very similar here, since these are both "upper-atmosphere" phenomena

Edit to add: I should just say here that I'm not sure if we are really seeing plasma here, but it is possible. I'm just trying to point out a few facts, whatever their relevance to the situation in question.



[edit on 10-12-2009 by C.H.U.D.]

Originally posted by woodwytch
reply to post by LDragonFire

 

In a word 'NO' there has not yet been any video footage of a failing rocket / missile creating the same perfect spiral effect ... there have been a few simulations posted (see post by 'john124').

And the more claims for this outcome I here, the less it seems like a viable possibility.

Woody

Thanks for the reply My father worked in the aerospace industry his entire life he worked on the first shuttles and had many friends in the industry and they all felt like the truth about technology and other outer worldly things were kept from us all.

If I wish to know whats up with Tiger Woods or Hulk Hogan the MSM does a good job, but If Im looking for the truth about things, well lets just say imho thats something that must be dug for.

Since WWII there most likely have been hundreds of thousands of filmed missile tests along with there failures and I have never seen anything like this.

Could this have been a failed Russian missile test? It very well could be.

But then again we do live in a world were Firsts happen all the time like skyscrapers falling into there own footprint because of fire, and two major terror events happening in two different countries while these countries disaster response agencies were holding drills.....But what do I know.

I just assumed it would be easy for them to show us a real event that was like this or even similar, and not a simulation.

This is just my opinion anyway. I do not believe everything they tell us. I also can't explain everything we see.

reply to post by Hellmutt


Hi Hellmutt,
Wow this thread has grown since I last read it!!!
After all these pages and numerous attempts at explanation, I can't believe anybody hasn't come up with the answer.
What you are looking at is an Atmospheric or Extra Atmospheric Fresnel Lens. The spirals are too perfect in spacing and too circularly symmetrical for it to be a rocket. The only explanation is along the lines of the following:

Fresnel lens characterization for potential use in an unpiloted atmospheric vehicle DIAL receiver system [microform] / Shlomo Fastig, Russell J. DeYoung

Method and apparatus for generating atmospheric solar energy concentrator

“SIMPLE”—a novel concept of an imaging camera for space applications

As these patents are in the public domain, there are most likely 100's that aren't and thereby the 'hidden' patents are more advanced and further toward conceptualization and development stages.
Let's just chalk this up to a 'secret' test by who knows whom. Of course it turned out to be not so secret, which is maybe because they didn't expect those types of effect to eventuate.
Cheers.


[edit on 10/12/09 by starwarp2000]

I'm not sure what part of the rocket theory doesn't add up.

To me it is pretty clear it is a rocket, a very strange set of circumstances equaling a spectacular show.

I have seen enough similarities between this event and others.

A failure does not equal a complete loss of flight. For all we know, the rocket failure was it loss of guidance and instead of going up, it flatened out its flight path the a horizontal flight.
Throw in a roll (not a tumble or wobble) for the rocket to try to regain gyro stabilization when the rocket vents its fuel (which all orbital rockets do) and you have it pretty well summed up.

Think of it this way as I have posted before. Attach two lit cigarettes to a football. If you throw that spiral (roll) pass those lit cigarettes will form a spiral that expands outwards due to vortices created by the football moving through the air.

Now change all of that to a rocket and you can see how it can be formed in a simple no science fiction method

reply to post by C.H.U.D.


Something like this camera might be able to capture footage of a rail gun projectile: www.photron.com...

A photographer friend was using something similar for a project a few years ago, it was really cool for getting amazing fast shutter shots of paint getting thrown around the studio, it was also very expensive just for the hire cost.

Originally posted by hey1212

Originally posted by serbsta

Originally posted by hey1212

"The picture was taken with a tripod and long shutter speed." Photo: Jan Petter Jørgensen

[edit on 9/12/09 by hey1212]

If it was taken with long shutter speed is there any way of knowing what it would have looked like as a normal shot?

I suppose that explains the almost fake-looking 'spirals'.

Originally posted by Chadwickus
reply to post by hey1212

 

Nice work there mate.

I had a feeling that had to be a long exposure.

Not even sure what it means. I was reading your posts earlier then noticed this so just pointed it out.

Haudi hey1212 & my neighbour Chadwickus and all Awesome contributers here today.

Firstly I just have to express my total NOT FAIR!!! ! that i didnt get to shoot it.!! *has a small cry to herself* Stunning Shot by some one else...

AND Mint Mint mintness this is totally MINT!!

*recovers from tatrum*

But seriously now,

As a photographer i also agreed with Chad with the long exposure likely, which has now been added as fact thanks to Hey1212.

If the whole thing did last only a minute or so well then I have these questions......
Wasnt he in the right place at the right time???? More on that further down.

Where are his following shots??? the not soo pretty ones he may not have published such as the black hole expanding. --- no one with a tripod on a mission takes one image

Originally posted by Akkadian

I think what zoomer72 was saying is that in the red circle, the tightest part of the smoke is to the horizon or to the ground meaning that was the direction it would be traveling in. When smoke release out of a turnbine or motor or what ever power source it comes from the cone is tight. As the smoke sits, the cone becomes wider and distorted. In this picture, the cone is wide in the atmosphere and tight towards the ground/horizon indicating direction of travel.

Nice job Zoomer72!

Ok, i understand the Theory now and i was saying the same thing... from ground upwards the plume of smoke would increase outwards just like is suggested by a failed rocket launch.... gradually the spiralling of the rocket would lose more control as it gained altitude and then plummet back to Earth...

I too thought it plausible to be some portal into another world but hey i laughed that off

From the slow shutter spead photo I can clearly see that the white spiral, blue beam and the earth/mountain plume are all the same spiral gradually getting larger as they head to the skies.... the colour changes are expected... just as they are expected during a sunset. Different atmospheric conditions different colours...

As for what is creating the spiral and why....well

I did fiddle with fireworks and make a mock up image but it looks more suited to a kindergarten wall than on here *cough* and me a webdesigner! lmao

Plus I have no idea how to attach it to the thread!

Finally, an official announcement in moscow:

3Rd Stage Engine Failed During Bulava Missile Test - Ministry
Moscow ITAR-TASS in English 1105 GMT 10 Dec 09

MOSCOW, December 10 (Itar-Tass) - The Russian Defense Ministry reported a failure of the third stage engine during a launch test of the Bulava seaborne intercontinental ballistic missile.

"On December 9, the Dmitry Donskoi nuclear-powered submarine performed an underwater launch of a Bulava intercontinental ballistic missile from the White Sea, within the framework of design and flight tests," the press service of the Defense Ministry told Itar-Tass on Thursday.

"After the return of the submarine to a naval base, experts examined telemetry returns. The first two stages of the missile operated in normal mode, but a technical failure occurred at the third stage of the flight trajectory.

"According to telemetry data, the third stage engine was unstable," the defense ministry said, adding that a state commission for design and flight tests will ascertain the cause of the engine failure.

During previous tests, the failure of the first stage engine was reported.

The submarine crew performed the launch in normal mode and without errors.

The seaborne R30 3M30 ICBM (Bulava-30), also called RSM-56 in international treaties, is Russia's newest three-stage solid fuel rocket designed for 4th generation submarines of Project 955 "Borei."

It was designed by the Moscow Institute of Thermal Engineering. Its range is 8,500 kilometers. The missile is capable of carrying up to ten supersonic maneuvering re-entry vehicles with the capability to change the course and altitude of flight.

Russia test-fired ten Bulavas in the period from 2003 to 2008. Five launches were unsuccessful, according to official reports.

During the test launch of the missile from the Dmitry Donskoi nuclear submarine on December 23, 2008, the missile self-destructed in the 28th second of the flight because of malfunctions in the operation of the third stage.

The "Borei" submarines with Bulava missiles are expected to make up the backbone of Russia's strategic nuclear forces until 2040-2045.