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Originally posted by Geladinhu
reply to post by Bluebelle
Why aren't you no Gandhi? Whats so difficult to understand about nonviolent resistance?
AnthraAndromda insists his evidence is sound, via the use of the Bible Code. Yet he fails to address the fact that a myriad of qualified, expert and independent researchers argue convincingly to this day against its findings, and the methodology used to gain results.
All we hear are the statistical probability that he’s right, followed by a number and an impressive row of zeros to bolster the claim.
Well, if a methodology is entirely questionable, therefore scientifically unfounded and suspect, or is even open to abuse, how reliable is the method, the result, or the statistics?
It seems that, at the end of the day, the Code can give you amazing results, but they can be the results you want to find, not what it actually contains.
Originally posted by jokei
reply to post by AnthraAndromda
You didn't respond to my last reply.
If you had time, it would be appreciated. I do actually believe your posts hold some value.
Originally posted by Mr Mask
What they DO NOT do is share a single mathematical formula to impress our world scientists, cure a single disease, stop a single war or gain the attention of a single creditable man/woman/child among our species.
They come to earth with no proof, no dazzling understanding of physics, no earth-shattering revelations or ANYTHING a single alien “should” be able to do on his own, with little or no help from the rest of his race.
[edit on 17-11-2009 by Mr Mask]
8 380,000,000 years ago Asia was subsiding, and all other continents were experiencing a short-lived emergence. But as this epoch progressed, the newly appearing Atlantic Ocean~Atlantic Ocean made extensive inroads on all adjacent coast lines. The northern Atlantic or Arctic seas were then connected with the southern Gulf waters. When this southern sea entered the Appalachian trough, its waves broke upon the east against mountains as high as the Alps, but in general the continents were uninteresting lowlands, utterly devoid of scenic beauty.
59:1.9 The sedimentary deposits of these ages are of four sorts:
1. conglomerates—matter deposited near the shore lines.
2. Sandstones—deposits made in shallow water but where the waves were sufficient to prevent mud settling.
3. Shales—deposits made in the deeper and more quiet water.
4. Limestone—including the deposits of trilobite shells in deep water.
59:1.10 The trilobite fossils of these times present certain basic uniformities coupled with certain well-marked variations. The early animals developing from the three original life implantations were characteristic; those appearing in the Western Hemisphere were slightly different from those of the Eurasian group and from the Australasian or Australian-Antarctic type.
59:1.11 370,000,000 years ago the great and almost total submergence of North and South America occurred, followed by the sinking of Africa and Australia. Only certain parts of North America remained above these shallow Cambrian seas. Five million years later the seas were retreating before the rising land. And all of these phenomena of land sinking and land rising were undramatic, taking place slowly over millions of years.
59:1.12 The trilobite fossil-bearing strata of this epoch outcrop here and there throughout all the continents except in central Asia. In many regions these rocks are horizontal, but in the mountains they are tilted and distorted because of pressure and folding. And such pressure has, in many places, changed the original character of these deposits. Sandstone has been turned into quartz, shale has been changed to slate, while limestone has been converted into marble.
59:1.13 360,000,000 years ago the land was still rising. North and South America were well up. Western Europe and the British Isles were emerging, except parts of Wales, which were deeply submerged. There were no great ice sheets during these ages. The supposed glacial deposits appearing in connection with these strata in Europe, Africa, China, and Australia are due to isolated mountain glaciers or to the displacement of glacial debris of later origin. The world climate was oceanic, not continental. The southern seas were warmer then than now, and they extended northward over North America up to the polar regions. The Gulf Stream coursed over the central portion of North America, being deflected eastward to bathe and warm the shores of Greenland, making that now ice-mantled continent a veritable tropic paradise.
59:1.14 The marine life was much alike the world over and consisted of the seaweeds.........
Originally posted by Beamish
reply to post by AnthraAndromda
Firstly, I did not say “in depth” so please don’t put words into my mouth. You don’t like it, nor do I. I said "entire", but omitted "abridged". Sue me for being Human.
What I did suggest was that you – someone who has categorically stated that:
I, unfortunately, know very little of my own people.
apparently has forgotten that they know a vast amount about their “people” – sufficient enough to be able to summarize an entire history.
In the document I linked, you include “your” planets formation (your “planet’s” name is, apparently, “Ta-Mal”), include the start of your “race’s” recorded history (complete with an initial era), carry on with some specific dates and historical events regarding your “people’s” growth whilst giving abridged versions of others, and conclude with epic, millennia-long space conflicts.
That is pretty “in depth” isn’t it? It’s also average sci-fi. Oh, and it’s over twenty pages online, not eight (though granted it may have been eight when you originally concocted it).
From this evidence of your contradiction, it is perfectly safe to conclude that you have either a bad case of selective memory, or now regret creating this “history” – and uploading it.
If so, are you suggesting that the story merely reflected the excitement you felt at believing you were an alien, and you just had to pad this misapprehension – therefore confirming it in your own eyes - with some historical “meat”?
And as a side note; you said “I wrote that…”
Once again, are you sure about that terminology? It’s quite telling…
Surely, when we read this from the introduction to the tale (my emphasis):
It should be first understood; NONE of the material presented
here has been "Channeled". All of this information was
obtained first hand by the author while on board the 'flag
ship' of "The Great Andromedan Empire".
you actually meant “I relayed that from meetings with my people…” Like it or not, coming out and saying that you wrote it is quite a Freudian slip.
And as the whole point of the piece was that it is a “Message” to us humans - and therefore important – clearly you should neither have forgotten it, as you appear to have done, nor should it’s provenance be under any misconception as to where it comes from.
Early attempts? Early attempts? Your turn of phrase is most enlightening. I quote again:
All of this information was obtained first hand by the author…
It isn’t, therefore, an attempt at conveying your “history”, is it? From that explanation, your story is indisputably a definitive – if condensed - account. Yet another contradiction…
And a question, if I may? What did your “Terran” parents say to your discovering that you are a wolf?
Still I would not call it even a "vast amount", perhaps some, and certainly less than I know about humans.
That history paper was combined by someone with another paper of mine written in the same era. I guess they thought it was appropriate, the origional history is 8 page in MS Word.
I actually had forgoten about about until recently. I thought it was lost, but discovered it not long ago. I have done some re-writing, but consider that version "not ready".
…you actually meant “I relayed that from meetings with my people…”
Yes it is more of a relay, though, at the time, I may have viewed it a bit differently.
I guess its school the alien time...You are correct, and I learn.
Originally posted by Beamish
Everything
I love your case there Beamish (red?).
You still allow for them to be integrated with their delusions yet proffer a reasonable enough stance for them to back down upon.
Will it be seen as the truthful wisdom it is?
I don't know, but I doubt it - as correct as it is (as I see it).
Either way a wonderful post full of insight, compassion and reason which I hope hits the mark.
Originally posted by Geladinhu
reply to post by Mr Mask
Dude, first thing, I wasnt the one that first mentioned Gandhi. I just used it because Bluebelle used it and I thought that addressing something that apparently she knows would help her understand my point.
Second thing, Gandhi had a perfect balance of things. He talked when it was necessary, he protested in silence when necessary. He did both and he knew when to do them.
Third thing, I didn't say to ignore lies, neither I said that Gandhi did such a thing. I said to act upon lies advocating truth without having to push your opponent into awkwardness and in stead let him do it by himself by being present but not falling into the same game of trying to oppress the others ideas by your owns.
Fourth thing, the only thing you seem to actually be able to do is dislike other people and their behavior. I haven't seen one post of yours actually being constructive. Its just all nonsensical judgement that springs from an underanalyzed anger.
Chill the f* out bro and realize that your not being helpful at all, and in fact are only helping to propagate that which you seem to hate. You talk so much about Gandhi but still have so much to learn with him. Time to stop talking and do some reading/listening.
Originally posted by Beamish
reply to post by AnthraAndromda
It is a large, yet succinct summarization. To cover over a million years of time, and the complete evolution of a species in such a way does suggest two things; either you were paraphrasing a much larger quantity of information, or the article was a creative work-in-progress. I would, via gut instinct (which is - acceptably - not totally reliable, but it is there for a reason) guess the latter is the correct assumption.
There’s a breathless air or excitement about the “history”, that is highly suggestive of you trying to justify a previously suspected difference, and that writing style is noticeably naïve in comparison to your “magical” works which are scholarly.
I'm going to presume you're not familiar with telepathic communication. It seems to operate in two modes; 1) the transfer of sometimes very large quantities of data, and, 2) "dialog" mode.
This "history" was the "download" mode. Mother gave me a quick overview of our peoples history, that paper was my first attempt to move that information into my waking consciousness. Today, I don't have a very good opinion of the attempt. And, while I feel that could do better, it seems that there is little that I can add. Perhaps I'll get her to tell me the story again, perhaps in more detail, and then try that again.
Thank you for the kind words though.
Did you disseminate this history? Who to? I still get the sense that you regret it being out there, in more ways than one, and that seems to be justified by your tone.
Yes, as I daid; it was published to an "Echo" around 92 or so.
So, was it forgotten or lost? There’s a difference. If you had written a history of something so personally important , it wouldn’t slip from the memory, would it? And as you’ve previously said that you know little about your “people”, but now admit that you have edited – gone back to an original work to expand it - a history on them, how can that be? Another contradiction.
While that may seem like a "vast amount" to you, I don't see how 8 pages constitutes any more than "little". I know of no "famous" Andromds in our history, I couldnt give specific dates of important events.
So, I'm left wondering how this is a contradiction...
And by the way, you can’t “re-write” history (well actually you can, but that practice is dishonest and manipulative). It is correct, or it isn’t, no matter how brief a summary it may be.
Here I'm not talking about changeing anything, just telling it better.
And I wonder how shrewd you can actually be; when I said
…you actually meant “I relayed that from meetings with my people…”
and you replied:
Yes it is more of a relay, though, at the time, I may have viewed it a bit differently.
What you are doing there is using my point to excuse – and explain away – a potentially awkward mistake. That’s not playing the game, is it? You are patently an intelligent man, therefore should know that these fundamental inaccuracies should not have appeared in the first place. Using criticism of your actions to amend mistakes is highly cynical, and entirely not indicative of an “advanced” species, no matter how “young” you are. That type of contemptuous use of disapproval is a base and craven method of response, and is something that – hopefully – would have been bred out of your “species’” collective psyche.
As a human response, it is entirely expected though, isn’t it?
OMG...I've been corrupted by Humans! lol Perhaps you are right, and it seems that I do allow myself to make awkward mistakes...way too often.
Alien caprice, or monstrous paradigm shift? You are an interesting case…
To me, it is becoming clear that you actively believe you are an alien.
When I “outed” you (wasn’t difficult, nor hidden if looked into) as a practitioner of Crowley’s teachings in another thread, I accused you of hoaxing (as you had continuously neglected to mention the foundation of your claims, thus drawing in UFO “believers” under a misapprehension,
I will continue to maintain that Crowley's works have little to nothing to do with me being an alien. I will admit that my personal philosophical bent is influenced by Crowley, but it is also influenced by many other philosophers as well.
Your search for knowledge led you down many paths, and eventually these diverse yet interconnecting channels led you to an awareness of another self you had unconsciously been in quest of most of your adult life.
But, the truth is those paths have – in fact - created that awareness, not revealed it. And to you, in many, many ways, this awareness is perfectly, entirely, provably real.
Here is where I must take some issue with you. Yes, I explored many paths in my search for truth. This is what is taught in my school of Magick. In each of the paths I found elements of truth, but, it is not the path that creates truth, it is the path that reveals it. In this one single issue, that I'm an Extraterrestrial, all paths agree with each other. I have searched for years, true enough, but the result is always the same...I'm ET. Even with the latest, the Bible Codes, it was affirmed...no matter where I've searched, always the same result.
This is just my opinion, and I am willing to change it and have it changed. Probabilities, statistics, the exploitation of neither codices nor inexact science will not make me a believer, and I know you are fine with that.
And so am I.
They don't allow enough space here, and while I understand the reasoning...it still isn't to my likeing.
I understand that probabilities, statistics are not enough, they are not enough for me either. But, for now, it is what I have, and I feel that it does indicate that further sutdy is warrented.
And, yes I am fine with "that". [Damn, I was just reminded of Crowley's "Book of Lies"... maybe I spend a few hours and read it again.
Take care.
Etharzi od Oma
[edit on 26-11-2009 by AnthraAndromda]
I'm going to presume you're not familiar with telepathic communication. It seems to operate in two modes; 1) the transfer of sometimes very large quantities of data, and, 2) "dialog" mode.
This "history" was the "download" mode. Mother gave me a quick overview of our peoples history, that paper was my first attempt to move that information into my waking consciousness. Today, I don't have a very good opinion of the attempt. And, while I feel that could do better, it seems that there is little that I can add. Perhaps I'll get her to tell me the story again, perhaps in more detail, and then try that again.
So, I'm left wondering how this is a contradiction...
Here I'm not talking about changeing anything, just telling it better.
OMG...I've been corrupted by Humans! lol Perhaps you are right, and it seems that I do allow myself to make awkward mistakes...way too often.
I will continue to maintain that Crowley's works have little to nothing to do with me being an alien. I will admit that my personal philosophical bent is influenced by Crowley, but it is also influenced by many other philosophers as well.
Here is where I must take some issue with you. Yes, I explored many paths in my search for truth. This is what is taught in my school of Magick. In each of the paths I found elements of truth, but, it is not the path that creates truth, it is the path that reveals it.
In this one single issue, that I'm an Extraterrestrial, all paths agree with each other.
I have searched for years, true enough, but the result is always the same...I'm ET. Even with the latest, the Bible Codes, it was affirmed...no matter where I've searched, always the same result.
I understand that probabilities, statistics are not enough, they are not enough for me either. But, for now, it is what I have, and I feel that it does indicate that further sutdy is warrented.
Take care.