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Originally posted by nethawk
America is the light of the world
Originally posted by SLAYER69
Those who feel that way simply don't bother signing up. Unlike many EU countries, US military service is not compulsory.
Talk about the lack of freedom of choice.
OK, I get it. But...isn't the Supreme Court where it is decided if a law is constitutional or not? If each of us makes the decision for him/herself would not that result in chaos, anarchy?
Originally posted by mr. toddly
Originally posted by eikmun
You are not cannon fodder. you know how much money goes into training a soldier and protecting him? You know how much we invest in body armor, and medical aid for soldiers?
This is not the 19th century. A well trained tank crew is worth more than the tank. special forces cost one million to train each. Far from cannon fodder.
Your part about corporations isn't true anymore. The worlds average GDP has risen around the world because of the US and trade. Your wrong.
Eikmun, I sense we will probably have to agree to disagree, but I appreciate your effort to enlighten.
Just because the cannon fodder is expensive doesn't make it any less cannon fodder. It's not as though the military has to stay within budget, they get all the money they ask for. The more they spend, the more the war profiteers make. So money or cost is no reason to protect our soldiers. War is all about making money, not about protecting America, defending freedom, or spreading democracy. If our generals really cared about protecting our soldiers, then they wouldn't manufacture phony wars for them to fight and die in, and when they did send them into battle they'd be provided with the proper body armor --unlike what happened in Iraq. Bake sales to buy body armor for your kid fighting in Iraq? Pathetic.
Sure, many soldiers join the military believing that it is an honorable and noble institution, but it is not. Don't believe me? I suggest you read "War Is a Racket" by General Smedly Butler. And what do you think Gen. Eisenhower was talking about in his presidential farewell address when he warned us against the military industrial complex? He talked at length about the true costs of war, and he made it clear that wars were being fought not based on need but based on greed.
Also, if you believe that nations around the globe have been lifted out of poverty because of the policies and trade with the United States, then you've been drinking the global elite raspberry-flavored kool-aid. Yes, China's economy is now growing due to its export economy, and India is doing well in the IT field, etc, etc. But for you to ignore the decades of US efforts to deliberately keep much of the world impoverished and forever in debt, then you haven't researched the topic very far. I suggest you google globalizationresearch and educate yourself about the true economic policies the US has been pursuing around the world. For instance, did you know that since the US forced (through lawsuits) India to accept genetically engineered strains of basmati rice, that tens of thousands of Indian farmers have committed suicide rather than starve to death. Turns out impoverished farmers can't afford to compete with Monsanto, and can't afford to stay in the business their families have had for hundreds of years. Sad.
Originally posted by gnosis111
reply to post by shrike071
I agree with the op somewhat, but saying 99.999% join for that reason is ridiculous. Most of them join because they can't find jobs and hope a war doesn't break out so they can get their GI Bill. And I add that I don't think there is anything wrong with that, but don't OVER sensationalize these people.
The military is a great place to learn and get the experience necessary to compete in the civilian world. Certain training can only be received through the military. What the hell is wrong with serving your country and getting a college education in exchange for your service. Such greed!!
I agree we need military only because that is the world we live in. But to call a soldier a hero just for doing what he is told without thinking for himself is ludicrous. It's like saying I am a hero for paying a speeding ticket.
You're joking right?
In 1968-69, I was an Army Crew Chief (MOS 67N20) on a UH-1D Huey and as we flew into many hot LZ's, the last thing I was thinking about was being a hero. Completing the mission, as quickly as possible, was all I was thinking about. I never thought I was a hero of any kind. Just doing my job, trying to stay alive so I could go home and again be with family and friends.
And then there was the three months I spent with a Medevac unit......... You don't want to go there in this discussion!!!
Heroes were the dead and wounded troopers loaded, under heavy fire, on our choppers. Many died enroute to a medivac facility. So do me a favor and watch what you say about who and who are not heroes. Some died right before my eyes as their wounds were so severe, little could be done but to try and comfort them. The other HEROES were the medics, nurses, and doctors waiting to treat the wounded we managed to extract.
I wonder what your opinion today might be having sat in my "seat", M-60 in hand, and AK rounds peppering "your" aircraft, RPG's going off all around us, trying to get everyone on board and praying to God your pilot can get the aircraft off the ground, no matter what. We did this many times a day. We left no one behind. But we were no heroes
It's a view from a different perspective. A bit different than being keyboard puncher.
Thinking for yourself does not fit in with the rationale of the military. The only thing ludicrous is your uneducated opinion.
Lets not forget these men and women choose to join and know full well they could die, but it is NOT for their country it is for their government, and they have the obligation to find out and know the damn difference!
When a trooper dies, he dies for his fellow soldiers, his family, for the American people, AND FOR HIS COUNTRY!!!!!
I do not agree with soldier bashing, but they have a duty to this country and to the constitution to question what their leaders are ordering of them. And what has been ordered of them for the past 4 decades or longer is treason.
That shows you how much you know. We were/are just following lawful military orders, covering our buddies backs, and staying alive - just doing their duty so we can come home. Question the authority of an officer????? The brig is always just one smart @%$ comment away.
But again it is not wholly their fault, it is ours, ours for not voting, challenging, and proactively opposing our governments shoddy and treasonous leadership.
On this point I agree with you.
I admit I can barely stomach our government, but I would be a hypocrite to say it is their fault, it's not, it is the American peoples fault. And witty little chain emails and pointless protests will not change anything. What are we going to do? What are you going to do?
You know where you can put that comment!! Same with the word hypocrite!! The government is the problem and if you do not know it by now, its way too late. The governments been running wild since before JFK was assassinated. A fact the entire country is just now waking up to.
Appreciate our military. The military is the only thing standing between a politicians shoe and the top of your head. Don't forget it. (Smedley Butler)
My 3 years in the US Army was one of the best "choices" I have made in my life. I don't regret it one bit, but wouldn't want to go through it again.
I did mine, what are YOU going to do?
Originally posted by WhiteDevil013
reply to post by network dude
This current situation in the middle East isnt even a real "war"
Its policing, mixed with humanitarian work (handing out water and candy bars)
Im sorry but in a real "war" you dont go door to door and ask "are there any bad guys in there?" Like the people who live there will really even rat out their neighbors anyways, especially when most of them have lived there for hundreds of years, their families are closely intertwined. I believe people view us as "soft" over there because of the way we do things.
If we were really at war, we would roll into a village and say "You guys have 30 seconds to give us all your Taliban, Al Queda etc." if they didnt, you call in an air strike and wipe that village off the face of the earth. Then guess what? the next village you roll into, people will be soooo happy to give up the insurgents they're hiding.
Originally posted by Prove_It_NOW
Originally posted by StargateSG7
Who needs soldiers anymore - They're obsolete !!!
Iraq and Afghanistan are the first combat zones to see heavy fighting
and killing by autonomous machines! These are also the first wars
where support and repair personnel outnumber the combat personnel.
In my own family, my brother is in Canadian Forces Combat Engineering,
and was recently posted in Afghanistan in the fighting zones, mostly fixing
YOUR machines...Bradley's, Strykers, Cougars, 2-6 tonne trucks, etc....
which is a byproduct of Canada/USA cooperation.
You Supply It - We fix it for you when you break it!
And most people (sheeple?) in the USA simply don't understand
that there is a basic truth in that the strong tend to bully or conquer
the weak...they also lack the understanding that is it better to BE STRONG than weak...thus I AM REALLY, REALLY GREATFUL that we (USA-CANADA)
have one a hell of a fighting & killing machine in our armed forces and
are thus considered worldwide as being one of the TRULY STRONG PARTS
of the world.
It wouldn't be any fun to have a bunch of invading Russians, Chinese,
Mid-east Polyglot Soldiers thinking that since we`re sitting on a bunch
of VALUABLE STUFF and LAND, that maybe they'll just TAKE IT without asking!
Ergo, to prevent that sort of scenario we need to be STRONG MILITARILY
and keep it that way...and YOU need to get with the program of being
strong in every way possible on a personal basis in case we one day
need to DEFEND those freedoms and that space that we call home!!!
In my own personal case, I have running in my basement, a machine
I designed and built, that can scan 6 full 1920 by 1080 pixel 24 bit RGB,
ultra high speed HDTV streams at over 2000 frames per second
(YES! THAT'S TWO THOUSAND FPS!) and AUTODETECT and TRACK
over 1000+ objects simultaneously using simple video game
technology...and if I hook that thing up to say a 6000 rounds per minute
Gatling gun or better yet, a Million Rounds per Minute MetalStorm Gun,
it will KILL EVERYTHING it finds....completely automatically,
NO HUMANS NEEDED - PERIOD !!!!
Ergo, I can also make many THOUSANDS if not MILLIONS of copies of that
smart software in a few hours....Ergo, for the foreseeable future,
Canada and the USA will be safe from invasion by the Barbarian Hordes.
I'm doing my part because I personally KNOW how dangerous an
armed and powerful foe can be if left unchecked...in our case I say
speak softly and carry a VERY,VERY BIG STICK !!!!!!!!!!!!
Unfortunately, there WILL BE another Hitler somewhere out there,
with the great unwashed, mindless masses who'll follow him/her,
and the rest of us will have to pay for it with grueling hard work
and/or our lives in the face of almost insurmounstable strength
and power...thus I believe we can no longer afford to fight a war
with slow, uncritical humans...soon it'll have to be vast armies of
Terminators and Cylons doing all the dirty work and hopefully
we'll be first out the gate that that bit of High Tech!
I'm doing my part...What are YOU doing to protect our soft derriere's
from the eventual try at invasion and/or annihilation of our homeland?!?!?!
[edit on 2009/11/13 by StargateSG7]
Just to be absolutely clear here. That was satire right? Because if it wasn't, you're a sociopath.
Originally posted by StargateSG7
And as an addition to my previous post, this thread has taken the
turn of displaying an unnecessary bellicosity and bravado of:
"Who's More Loyal and Brave than Me?"
Again, the point of this thread should be to illustrate the
folly of letting politicians fight wars, and showcase the folly
of generals partaking in politics. The twain shouldn't meet
because if they do all you get is W-A-R !!!
Originally posted by Kailassa
America is the blight of the world
There, ffixed it for you.