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posted on Nov, 13 2009 @ 08:09 AM
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But please try to be smart enough to know who to direct your anger at. You were somehow smart enough to type your user name and password in to get this far. Go the extra inch.


Thank you for pointing this out. This is a Conspiracy Site after all. No one who visits this site should be ignorant of the manipulations of the Wealthy and Powerful. I do not care if you call them TPTB, illuminati, Elite, Bildeburgers, or the International Banking/Corporate Cartel. we should all realize they exist, they control the Federal Reserve and our Congress. They may not be as cohesive a group as some of us might think but groups in the USA such as The Council on Economic Development, the Council on Foreign Relations, the Trilateral Commission and all the rest do exist and they pretty much control our government.

A former respected member of international banking, John Perkins, makes this manipulation and control clear in “Confessions of an Economic Hit Man” and in interviews.



JOHN PERKINS: Basically what we were trained to do and what our job is to do is to build up the American empire. To bring – to create situations where as many resources as possible flow into this country, to our corporations, and our government, and in fact we’ve been very successful. We’ve built the largest empire in the history of the world. It's been done over the last 50 years since World War II with very little military might, actually. It's only in rare instances like Iraq where the military comes in as a last resort. This empire, unlike any other in the history of the world, has been built primarily through economic manipulation, through cheating, through fraud, through seducing people into our way of life, through the economic hit men. I was very much a part of that....

Q. How closely did you work with the World Bank?
JOHN PERKINS: Very, very closely with the World Bank. The World Bank provides most of the money that’s used by economic hit men, it and the I.M.F.
www.lewrockwell.com...
www.democracynow.org...


John Perkins states he was initially recruited by the National Security Agency, a US Government agency. I contend these were not from our legitimate government elected by the US citizens but traitors representing banking interests. Perkins writes, "The book was to be dedicated to the presidents of two countries, men who had been his clients whom I respected and thought of as kindred spirits – Jaime Rolds, president of Ecuador, and Omar Torrijos, president of Panama. Both had just died in fiery crashes. Their deaths were not accidental. They were assassinated because they opposed that fraternity of corporate, government, and banking heads whose goal is global empire. We Economic Hit Men failed to bring Rolds and Torrijos around, and the other type of hit men, the CIA-sanctioned jackals who were always right behind us, stepped in.” Perkins “ fraternity of corporate, government, and banking heads whose goal is global empire” is certainly not representing the American people, but a cartel intent on a worldwide empire.

On top of that our education is being manipulated:


“... Over the last quarter-century, historians have by and large ceased writing about the role of ruling elites in the country's evolution. Or if they have taken up the subject, they have done so to argue against its salience for grasping the essentials of American political history. Yet there is something peculiar about this recent intellectual aversion, even if we accept as true the beliefs that democracy, social mobility, and economic dynamism have long inhibited the congealing of a ruling stratum. This aversion has coincided, after all, with one of the largest and fastest-growing disparities in the division of income and wealth in American history....Neglecting the powerful had not been characteristic of historical work before World War II. ” hnn.us...

In this country the manipulation of education was evident when the Bank Cartel placed their specially groomed economists in universities in 1910.


“They gave large amounts of money to some of the better known universities in America; they created newly formed departments of economics with that money; they hand picked their own people to be the professors to head up those departments and then those professors with all of their academic credentials gave speeches and wrote scholarly essays extolling the virtues of the Federal Reserve System. www.bigeye.com...


I agree our Military serves a very real purpose. There are evil people out there and without a Military we would be quickly run over.

Our energies are wasted vilifying the Military when we should be going after the real threat to our Country, the International Banking/Corporate Cartel that have been systematically robbing us for over 90 years.








posted on Nov, 13 2009 @ 08:28 AM
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you are exactly right. How about it starts with you. Either you join the military, and be the first to stand up, or sit back and have a nice hot cup of hypocritical tea. Quit waiting for someone else to change things for you.


The first thing to do to change things is to quit falling for the "lesser of two evils - if you do not vote for a republican or democrat you are throwing your vote away" crap If you want a military that stays home then vote for a Libertarian whether or not you are right or left wing.

They are a party who wants our military out of all other countries. They are not controlled by the Banking/Corporate Cartel in the guise of "pro-capitalism" republicans (its really fascism) or as "pro-socialism" democrats (its really fascism). Gee isn't it amazing how we end up with fascism with BOTH parties whether it is called capitalism or socialism?

YES, YES, you think they are hokey kooks ---- and WHO do you think made you think that way????

Ain't Propaganda wonderful?



posted on Nov, 13 2009 @ 08:47 AM
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The core of the problem isn't about who's fighting in what wars, but more appropriately WHY the war exists. Wars have been based on lies. Our next war with Iran reeks of it.

When we go to war with Iran, the US is going to pay a price it cannot afford, not in lost dollars...but lost lives. Russia will come to the aid of Iran, as will china it will be nuclear because the US no longer has the manpower for boots on the ground.

Back to what the OP said, it would be much better to be here in our own country defending it, but ISRAEL has us fighting their wars because they refuse to get along with others.

When the power of love overcomes the love of power, the world shall know true peace!



posted on Nov, 13 2009 @ 09:01 AM
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I dunno about Americans but we personally took an oath to the people and land, not government. The Royal regiments took an oath to the King but thats their call.

All I can really say is that if anyone dies in a foreign country it is their fault. Anyone who dies in their own country is the hero. If Red Dawn happened I would be all for you. But when America goes invading other countries you cant complain when others dislike you.

What you should all do is leave full military service and join Home Guard or Reserves and only work on your own soil. That is definitely more respectable.



Originally posted by SLAYER69
In real life there is no respawn or do overs. That's Reality.

Not if you're Hindu!



posted on Nov, 13 2009 @ 09:07 AM
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Trouble is these days 'Oaths' are just words that can be discarded or twisted to suit ones own ends, Soldiers who bleat on about serving because they took an 'Oath' really need to look at the reason for the order, then follow their hearts, to me an Oath is like a promise, it can be broken at any time, only the truly blinded say " I took an Oath to follow my orders and will follow my orders to the letter".
Since when does taking an Oath lead to BLIND OBEDIENCE? Obedience maybe but BLIND? I don't think so.
Its like the 'Official secrets act' that you get in most if not all countries Governments , you sign it but if you KNOW that your government if either doing wrong or damaging your country and its people then its your DUTY to inform the rest of the world community to their actions. No matter what the consequences to your personnal safety. or reputation.
If the soldiers could see that by their actions are defeating themselves in the long run, how many would abandon their oath?


[edit on 13/11/09 by DataWraith]



posted on Nov, 13 2009 @ 09:24 AM
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Well if it helps we always said 'human first, soldier second'

But I take my Word very seriously
Not to mention I would not give it (anymore) without thinking it through very much - but breaking promises is sometimes for the best and each situation have to be chosen individually, you cant just say "I will follow your orders indefinitely"...

You are right you must say no sometimes but I say only if it violates what you promised before. If you think the war is unconstitutional then you should not.



posted on Nov, 13 2009 @ 09:44 AM
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We all know that WAR IS FUN!!!

Just look at the top-selling video game right now. Hell, there even mobs of people waiting for a midnight sale to get this game


Why do you think people are still enlisting with 2 "wars" going on?



posted on Nov, 13 2009 @ 10:08 AM
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To the several people who feel that our government and politicians are immoral and corrupt:

I still do not understand why you don't do something besides talk. Over 50% of the people in this country elected these politicians. That's a majority. There will be elections coming up again soon. Why aren't you planning and working with others to do something about it.

In a very short time period, we here in the 23rd district of New York, put together a rebellion against the Republican that was running for the office. We made such a difference in the election (unfortunately our candidate was not elected this time) but the national media paid attention to what we were trying to do and it was talked about nationally. We got our point across.

We are many! Work within the system. Pay attention to the people who are running for office in the primaries. There are many honest and ethical people wanting these offices. This is the only place we have a good choice. Support these people, put your money where your mouth is. These people need money to be recognized and get out their reasons for wanting the office. It is easy to do research on the internet. Don't believe the sound bites you hear. Stop being lazy. Find out for yourself.

Alone these lesser known people cannot compete with the money spent by the 2 parties on the choices of their candidates. Of course many fall into the trap of, "I can't vote for the underdog because I will waste my vote." Then you will end up with same people again that you don't believe will run our government in an ethical manner. If we all vote for the underdog then the same ole people don't have a chance.

Mahree



posted on Nov, 13 2009 @ 10:14 AM
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Originally posted by Mahree
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I still do not understand why you don't do something besides talk.


What exactly makes you think most of us aren't?


In a very short time period, we here in the 23rd district of New York, put together a rebellion against the Republican that was running for the office. We made such a difference in the election (unfortunately our candidate was not elected this time) but the national media paid attention to what we were trying to do and it was talked about nationally. We got our point across.


I suspect one of the main reasons he didn't win had to do with the Palin endorsement, I would have voted for him if I lived there, but he shouldn't have accepted her endorsement, it did nothing but hurt him, to accept an endorsement from such a polarizing figure.


[edit on 11/13/2009 by Uniceft17]



posted on Nov, 13 2009 @ 10:26 AM
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I dunno about Americans but we personally took an oath to the people and land, not government. The Royal regiments took an oath to the King but thats their call.


Our soldiers AND all our elected officials and judges take an oath to uphold the US Constitution not the US government That means there are a LOT of forsworn, if not outright traitors in the US of A. Soldiers are young, brainwashed by bad education and taught to follow orders without question, but our elected officials and especially our judges do not have that excuse.

I think we need to throw all the bums out and in some cases consider trials for treason.




posted on Nov, 13 2009 @ 10:39 AM
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I am curious about how to go about fixing the problems you state. Are you saying that these groups control all of Congress, and there isn't any hope of getting to them?



posted on Nov, 13 2009 @ 10:41 AM
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Soldiers who bleat on about serving because they took an 'Oath' really need to look at the reason for the order


The oath should be considered binding. HOWEVER the oath was NOT to the president of the US or Congress but to the Constitution and the people of the US. An Unconstitutional order should not be considered binding under that oath.. If a law that is Un-Constitutional is invalid, I would assume that this also holds true if it is a military order.

"No one is bound to obey an unconstitutional law and no courts are bound to enforce it."   16 Am Jur 2d, Sec 177 late 2d, Sec 256

"An unconstitutional act is not law; it confers no rights; it imposes no duties; affords no protection; it creates no office; it is in legal contemplation as inoperative as though it had never been passed."
--Norton v Shelby County, 118 US 425, 442




Unconstitutional Official Acts

    The general misconception is that any statute passed by legislators bearing the appearance of law constitutes the law of the land. The U.S. Constitution is the supreme law of the land, and any statute, to be valid, must be In agreement. It is impossible for both the Constitution and a law violating it to be valid; one must prevail. This is succinctly stated as follows:

    The General rule is that an unconstitutional statute, though having the form and name of law is in reality no law, but is wholly void, and ineffective for any purpose; since unconstitutionality dates from the time of it's enactment and not merely from the date of the decision so branding it. An unconstitutional law, in legal contemplation, is as inoperative as if it had never been passed.




More and more US citizens need to educate themselves about the law and the Federal Reserve before we become no more than slaves or serfs of the Banking/Corporate cartels.





posted on Nov, 13 2009 @ 10:49 AM
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I agree with you and that is exactly what I am doing. But I feel it is much more important to get people to open their eyes to what is going on. I spend my weekends trying to get the word out to Liberals and Conservatives.

This is what I posted elsewhere:

About Joe Sixpack. Actually since he or his friends just got hit in the wallet he is much more awake at this time.

I tried to tell people about the threats to our food supply a couple of years ago - no interest. Now if I start with banks creating money from nothing (fractional reserve) and receiving 100% of Your tax money as well as all your interest and loan payments ... I get TELL ME MORE.

I try to give a short lecture lead into the food crisis and hand out an index card with the following links to google:

The Creature from Jekyll Island
Secrets of the federal reserve
A primer on money
Confessions of an economic hitman
History HACCP and the food safety Con Job.

Project Vote Smart
Fully informed jury
state nullification tenth Amendment

Money and food are noncontroversial and will lead them to open their eyes. I then suggest they pass the information on to ten friends.

Since the bankers own the republican and democratic parties maybe it is time to vote third party or at least carefully checkout our present Congress critters voting record and not what he says. I also remind them that an informed jury trumps Congress and the Supreme Court and states can 'nullify' a federal law.

We are not helpless we just need to wake up and grab back the reins of control.



posted on Nov, 13 2009 @ 10:56 AM
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Originally posted by WhiteDevil013

wow. how true is that statement. that is kind of the mentality that I see everywhere. Incredibly sad. I hope something positive will happen to change the attitude of the younger generation, but most likely it will be a devastating event. Change indeed.


I'm a part of the younger generation, and armed. I know of quite a few people my age that would band together and fight an invasion.



posted on Nov, 13 2009 @ 11:20 AM
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Thanks for the information. I will look into it.

The money situation is something of which I am aware. The leads you have mentioned should bring me up to speed.

By the way, the Armed Forces oath also includes that they must obey orders from the President.

Armed Forces Oath



posted on Nov, 13 2009 @ 11:29 AM
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Originally posted by gwydionblack
Do you honestly thing that is some country came and invaded with their military that they would stand a chance? It is because of the second amendment that other countries fear the United States in the first place. Any type of invasion on our soil would lead to the same outcome as the Revolutionary War.


Yes... yes I DO think they would stand a chance. I don't care how many shotguns, pistols, or rifles Americans own; if some large country (i.e. China) decided to invade, we wouldn't stand a chance. We'd put up a good fight I'm sure, but there would only be so much we could do without a professional military force. No, we aren't some how "higher beings," but that advanced training that you yourself spoke of: that goes a LONG way in a combat situation. Do you know the REASON that we have our training drilled into our skulls until, to some, we might seem like mindless killing robots? Because its the BEST thing to fall back in the most stressful of situations: combat. Fear takes a backseat to training, if you've trained so often that its practically muscle memory.

All the amount of reading in the world could not prepare you for combat, but the training we get gives us some idea of what to expect, which is something civilians don't have, and something that would be an obvious disadvantage if we had no military, and were attacked by a foreign force.

Good thread OP! Completely made up for how disgusted I was at the "you're not all heroes" thread!



posted on Nov, 13 2009 @ 11:43 AM
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Originally posted by Mahree
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By the way, the Armed Forces oath also includes that they must obey orders from the President.

Armed Forces Oath


This was already addressed earlier in the thread. Only a page back.




Yes it is. But it says ALL enemy's foreign and DOMESTIC. If you are given unconstitutional orders they have a duty to not abide by those orders. The President of the United States is an enemy of the constitution, actually pretty much every president we have had since I've been born has violated the constitution 100's if not 1000's of times.


I looked back and that was the response to the same thing you posted earlier in the thread. Did you not read any of your replys or the rest of the thread from where you left off?



[edit on 11/13/2009 by Uniceft17]



posted on Nov, 13 2009 @ 11:52 AM
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A lot of the ppl in the military joined for money for school, some
joined to get US citizenship.

Some are bad ppl, but you will find bad ppl in DC as well.

Bad ppl are all over the place.

A few bad apples give the rest a bad name.

I met some ppl while I was in the military that were totally
amazing and wonderful ppl, and I met some that were polar
opposites.

You can meet similar ppl in corporate america, and I am sure
most ppl have met ppl like that.

Demonizing the military is one of the methods of Demoralization
and Ideological subversion as discussed by the former KGB agent
Yuri Bezmenov.

It is all part of the formula to end the 2nd roman empire
which is largely what they US has turned into with 700+ bases
in over 130 countries.

Unfortunately our politicians ( both sides ) lie to us and represent
their monied handlers instead of the ppl.

So the game is almost over, and I suggest ppl get ready for it.

Good Luck to you all !



posted on Nov, 13 2009 @ 12:03 PM
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I am in the US Army and I have been in for nearly 3 years and haven't deployed to Iraq or Afghanistan once, sure I will go eventually but right now I didn't have to go.

I don't do this job because it's right or because I want to be a hero, I do it because it IS a job, like a police officer I will fire upon someone who threatens me.

I also uphold the constitution, i'm not even a US citizen and I cherish the constitution of this country.

I will not follow orders that are detrimental to the constitution of the United States, I will not go door to door to collect firearms, I will refuse, I will not act like a police officer during martial law unless it is absolutely necesary.

Without the military we would be missing out on new discoveries and technologies, millions would be without a job, my wife would not have health care to treat her MS...

And yes, other countries WILL invade if we had no military, China would love to make this part of the PRC...



posted on Nov, 13 2009 @ 12:13 PM
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They wouldn't have an easy go at my wife and daughter if the government wasn't so anti-gun (in the hands of civilians). Even so, everybody knows you cannot invade or conquer the United States, we're too well armed, even if you don't count our enormous military.

"You cannot invade the mainland United States. There would be a rifle behind each blade of grass." - Admiral Yamomoto, Japanese Ministry of War, 1941




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