Introducing: Millitary Free America!!

after attempting to discuss points in the thread about how Those who have served were not heroes, and not being able to communicate due to low quantities of intelligence, I decided to open up this topic.

There are apparently quite a few extremely ignorant little kids who think that Our military is made up of evil people. They are condemning the soldiers in an effort to appear intelligent with their peers.

If there was no military in the United States, there would be no wars, there would be no hunger, there would be no problems...... for you. You would be dead. Some small country, probably like Columbia or Venezuela would stroll in here and kill you and take your stuff. All of it. They might have a go at your daughter or wife before killing them, but no matter. Dead is dead. Even in California. The land of liberal love and friendship. Hugo Chavez himself might move into a nice house in wine country.

Are the kids being brought up in the USA and the other free countries really that stupid? When I say stupid, I mean just a step above needing a feeding tube because chewing is a brain function not yet in the inventory.

Nobody likes war. Except the politicians who don't have to fight in it. The enemy would much rather remain an ally. A soldier would much rather help clean up after a storm than have to travel to far away lands to kill other people. They would much rather tuck their children into bed at night instead of praying for the next 8 months to go by quick so they can do that cumbersome task. I don't want your sympathy, the soldiers don't want your sympathy, they don't want you to compromise your ideals and beliefs on their behalf. But please try to be smart enough to know who to direct your anger at. You were somehow smart enough to type your user name and password in to get this far. Go the extra inch.

I don't blame the ignorance of the kids. I blame the decades of mismanagement at the highest levels of the government. Most of the people who demonize the entire military have not seen a significant improvement in the world come about as a result of the military.

Our last really "good" war was WWII. We got rid of Hitler and put an end to the Holocaust. Every war since was part of some strange abstract ideological struggle or has been a cynical ploy on the part of powerful men who would never have to fight.

There have been more high profile scandals associated with the military than there have been honorable victories. We rid Iraq of the Hussein family and their hobbies of torture and rape, then we replace it with Blackwater shootings, more rape and a mounting US bodycount.

It is true that without a military, we would be invaded. As it is, because we have a military we have not been invaded and many who lack perpsective fail to see the value of our forces.

Honestly, I think both of our current wars are pointless theater. This is in no way the fault of those serving, and I am just greatful that everyone I know who has been depoloyed has come back alive. What we should do is bring them all home. Put an end to the headlines about civilian casualties by American bullets, put an end to scandal and focus on rebuilding our nation.

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[edit on 12-11-2009 by RobertAntonWeishaupt]

Well said. Only the ignorant fools cast stones at the soldiers. They don't have a choice once they've enlisted. 99.999% of them enlist because they love their country and want to defend it - NOT because they want to support GWB, Obama or any of the other "leaders" that inhabit the oval office.

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I agree with YOU.

WE have become so lazy and complacent as a nation, it pains me to see how many people in this once great country take all of their rights and freedom for granted.

Recently I enlisted in the U.S.A.R. I thought that friends and family would be proud and happy for me. Boy was I wrong. I had people attacking me from all angles. I heard every reason in the book why I shouldnt go into the army. "You're too smart for that!" "Why would you want to do a thing like that!" "The pay isnt even worth the risk!" "You know they're going to send you to Iraq or Afghanistan where you'll surely be blown up by a roadside bomb" "Let other people who have nothing going on in their life go do that instead of you, you have too much potential"

I was truly heartbroken by what I was being told. It seems like everyone agrees we need a military to protect us from the bad guys, but no one these days wants to be the one to actually do it. I told these people that if everyone felt the way they did, this wouldnt be a nice place to live. We would have no rights, and instead of bullying the rest of the world, we would be subject to other countries coming in and occupying us.

People forget that the brave men who fought in the Revolutionary War werent promised any benefits or pay or GI bill. If they lost the war they would have been called traitors and hung. The only thing that motivated those men was the idea of freedom. I fear for us if we were ever invaded, I can imagine Paul Revere riding into my neighborhood screaming "the British are coming," instead of arming themselves and preparing for war, most of my neighbors would simply turn up their "Dancing with the Stars" and mumble, "not my problem".

WHAT THE HELL?

Originally posted by WhiteDevil013
I can imagine Paul Revere riding into my neighborhood screaming "the British are coming," instead of arming themselves and preparing for war, most of my neighbors would simply turn up their "Dancing with the Stars" and mumble, "not my problem".

WHAT THE HELL?

wow. how true is that statement. that is kind of the mentality that I see everywhere. Incredibly sad. I hope something positive will happen to change the attitude of the younger generation, but most likely it will be a devastating event. Change indeed.

Originally posted by network dude
after attempting to discuss points in the thread about how Those who have served were not heroes, and not being able to communicate due to low quantities of intelligence, I decided to open up this topic.

S & F for you on this topic, but I would caution you against descending to the name-calling and demonizing that the people you are speaking about generally resort to.

There are apparently quite a few extremely ignorant little kids who think that Our military is made up of evil people. They are condemning the soldiers in an effort to appear intelligent with their peers.

Unfortunately this is what they are being taught in what passes for an education these days.

If there was no military in the United States, there would be no wars, there would be no hunger, there would be no problems...... for you. You would be dead. Some small country, probably like Columbia or Venezuela would stroll in here and kill you and take your stuff. All of it. They might have a go at your daughter or wife before killing them, but no matter. Dead is dead. Even in California. The land of liberal love and friendship. Hugo Chavez himself might move into a nice house in wine country.

This is the key paragraph. All they have to do is look through history at any country that was weaker than it's neighbors. And little countries have brought down huge empires before.

Are the kids being brought up in the USA and the other free countries really that stupid? When I say stupid, I mean just a step above needing a feeding tube because chewing is a brain function not yet in the inventory.

Stupid and naive are not the same thing. Again, this comes partially from what they are being taught in the schools. I believe the other component is their fear that somehow they might be caught up in a something they have been taught to fear. Their naive thought process then produces the simplistic "solution" of "no military = we're safe".

Nobody likes war. Except the politicians who don't have to fight in it. The enemy would much rather remain an ally. A soldier would much rather help clean up after a storm than have to travel to far away lands to kill other people. They would much rather tuck their children into bed at night instead of praying for the next 8 months to go by quick so they can do that cumbersome task. I don't want your sympathy, the soldiers don't want your sympathy, they don't want you to compromise your ideals and beliefs on their behalf. But please try to be smart enough to know who to direct your anger at. You were somehow smart enough to type your user name and password in to get this far. Go the extra inch.

Again, try saying it without demonizing. Educate instead. Otherwise, IMO you are entirely correct.

[edit on 11/12/2009 by centurion1211]

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Another thing;

This current situation in the middle East isnt even a real "war"

Its policing, mixed with humanitarian work (handing out water and candy bars)

Im sorry but in a real "war" you dont go door to door and ask "are there any bad guys in there?" Like the people who live there will really even rat out their neighbors anyways, especially when most of them have lived there for hundreds of years, their families are closely intertwined. I believe people view us as "soft" over there because of the way we do things.

If we were really at war, we would roll into a village and say "You guys have 30 seconds to give us all your Taliban, Al Queda etc." if they didnt, you call in an air strike and wipe that village off the face of the earth. Then guess what? the next village you roll into, people will be soooo happy to give up the insurgents they're hiding.

The problem is not the military.

The problem is the way in which the military is used (and abused) by the corrupt politicians & bureaucrats in Washington.

Most people complaining about "the military" are really complaining about the our foreign policy, and they have a point. This contry needs to learn to conduct it's foreign policy without resorting the constant threat of military invasion or assult.

TPTB in Washington need to learn that they have been elected by the AMERICAN PEOPLE and not by the people of the world and they have no right meddling in the affairs of other countries.

Cut out the BS about the US being the last superpower and that we need to police the world. That's crap.

There are plenty of international organizations in place for that and we should not be "going it alone" to fix some percieved wrong if the international community disagrees.

America need to stop using it's military to be the bully on the playground and learn to get along with the other kids before they band together to take down that bully.

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I know the name calling is not necessary, but what I really want to say to these kids, I can't here. And smacking the crap out of them doesn't seem to be an option.

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that is exactly the point. the foreign policy is dictated by the leaders. the leaders are the ones who declare war and send our young men and women over to fight. They are where the anger should be pointed. It is so far from rocket science it's not funny.

Originally posted by network dude
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I know the name calling is not necessary, but what I really want to say to these kids, I can't here. And smacking the crap out of them doesn't seem to be an option.

I understand your dilemma.

There are many of us here that have no other recourse other than to type and re-type the message in hopes that some of them someday will get it.

I appreciate your sentiments, OP, but your argument is just as one-sided as those you are opposing. I don't think that all soldiers are or are not heroes. I believe that saving a life, not taking one, is heroic. For those in the military who do this, my hat is off to them. Not all who enlist even have higher ideals or a sense of nationality that others do. I know several people who enlisted who did it for college tuition or simply because they didn't know what else to do with their life. Soldiers who rape women or control un-manned drones to drop bombs on tribal villages under the guise of democracy are not heroes. Also, just assuming that by not having a military would make us all dead is speculative anyways. Although I understand that we do need a military in this day and age, what's so wrong about wishing we didn't?

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Would you make the same thread if you were living in this time period? My guess is probably so.

The fact of the matter is the troops need to wake up.

Just like the people in the photo posted above needed to wake up.



The problem is, the military is only designed to fight enemies that are foreign. Our military is not trained to fight enemies that are Domestic, and until they figure this out... They are no different than the people In the photo posted above: Brainwashed.

I guess for some people invading Poland wasn't justified, but invading Afghanistan is.


analogy:
Just because I think elements within the Government are evil doesn't mean that I want complete Anarchy.



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I think you missed the point. I am pissed off at the snot nosed punks who think that because they disagree with the "war" that they can disrespect and even talk down to a soldier. Nobody I know thinks themselves heroes. All I have talked to and known were and are just doing their job. Jumping on a grenade to save a platoon is heroic. I fixed planes. Not heroic at all. But just because I served my country and went all over the world to fix these planes, doesn't mean I am responsible for the war in Afghanistan or any other country. That falls on the leaders or the nations. I want these kids to be smart enough ton know the difference.

Originally posted by Doomsday 2029



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I agree with the op somewhat, but saying 99.999% join for that reason is ridiculous. Most of them join because they can't find jobs and hope a war doesn't break out so they can get their GI Bill. And I add that I don't think there is anything wrong with that, but don't OVER sensationalize these people.

I agree we need military only because that is the world we live in. But to call a soldier a hero just for doing what he is told without thinking for himself is ludicrous. It's like saying I am a hero for paying a speeding ticket.

Lets not forget these men and women choose to join and know full well they could die, but it is NOT for their country it is for their government, and they have the obligation to find out and know the damn difference!

I do not agree with soldier bashing, but they have a duty to this country and to the constitution to question what their leaders are ordering of them. And what has been ordered of them for the past 4 decades or longer is treason.

But again it is not wholly their fault, it is ours, ours for not voting, challenging, and proactively opposing our governments shoddy and treasonous leadership.

I admit I can barely stomach our government, but I would be a hypocrite to say it is their fault, it's not, it is the American peoples fault. And witty little chain emails and pointless protests will not change anything. What are we going to do? What are you going to do?

Soldiers who rape women

Servicemen and women who commit crimes are punished. That's why we have NCIS/AFOSI/Army CID/CGIS and the MPs/SPs/SFs/DOD Police.

You want to talk about wanton rape? Check out what happened when the Red Army did after they took Berlin in 1945. They raped and murdered over 200,000 German women - rapes that were condoned and sanctioned by their own officers. The Red Army did not even have a military police force to maintain order hence they acted like animals wherever they went. Compare that to ONE incident in Iraq and the soldier in question was sentenced to life in prison.

All I can add to this is to suggest watching the movie "Red Dawn." If that doesn't open any eyes, I don't know what will.........

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NOBODY is going to take over America as long as we have our guns! we have enough guns to outfit the entire Chinese Military. NOBODY is going to give up their guns! No gun owner is going to allow any kind of invasion! Tyranny ALWAYS underestimates the people! WAKE UP!