after attempting to discuss points in the thread about how Those who have served were not heroes, and not being able to communicate due to low quantities of intelligence, I decided to open up this topic.

There are apparently quite a few extremely ignorant little kids who think that Our military is made up of evil people. They are condemning the soldiers in an effort to appear intelligent with their peers.

If there was no military in the United States, there would be no wars, there would be no hunger, there would be no problems...... for you. You would be dead. Some small country, probably like Columbia or Venezuela would stroll in here and kill you and take your stuff. All of it. They might have a go at your daughter or wife before killing them, but no matter. Dead is dead. Even in California. The land of liberal love and friendship. Hugo Chavez himself might move into a nice house in wine country.

Are the kids being brought up in the USA and the other free countries really that stupid? When I say stupid, I mean just a step above needing a feeding tube because chewing is a brain function not yet in the inventory.

Nobody likes war. Except the politicians who don't have to fight in it. The enemy would much rather remain an ally. A soldier would much rather help clean up after a storm than have to travel to far away lands to kill other people. They would much rather tuck their children into bed at night instead of praying for the next 8 months to go by quick so they can do that cumbersome task. I don't want your sympathy, the soldiers don't want your sympathy, they don't want you to compromise your ideals and beliefs on their behalf. But please try to be smart enough to know who to direct your anger at. You were somehow smart enough to type your user name and password in to get this far. Go the extra inch.

I don't blame the ignorance of the kids. I blame the decades of mismanagement at the highest levels of the government. Most of the people who demonize the entire military have not seen a significant improvement in the world come about as a result of the military.

Our last really "good" war was WWII. We got rid of Hitler and put an end to the Holocaust. Every war since was part of some strange abstract ideological struggle or has been a cynical ploy on the part of powerful men who would never have to fight.

There have been more high profile scandals associated with the military than there have been honorable victories. We rid Iraq of the Hussein family and their hobbies of torture and rape, then we replace it with Blackwater shootings, more rape and a mounting US bodycount.

It is true that without a military, we would be invaded. As it is, because we have a military we have not been invaded and many who lack perpsective fail to see the value of our forces.

Honestly, I think both of our current wars are pointless theater. This is in no way the fault of those serving, and I am just greatful that everyone I know who has been depoloyed has come back alive. What we should do is bring them all home. Put an end to the headlines about civilian casualties by American bullets, put an end to scandal and focus on rebuilding our nation.

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[edit on 12-11-2009 by RobertAntonWeishaupt]

Well said. Only the ignorant fools cast stones at the soldiers. They don't have a choice once they've enlisted. 99.999% of them enlist because they love their country and want to defend it - NOT because they want to support GWB, Obama or any of the other "leaders" that inhabit the oval office.

Originally posted by WhiteDevil013
I can imagine Paul Revere riding into my neighborhood screaming "the British are coming," instead of arming themselves and preparing for war, most of my neighbors would simply turn up their "Dancing with the Stars" and mumble, "not my problem".

WHAT THE HELL?

wow. how true is that statement. that is kind of the mentality that I see everywhere. Incredibly sad. I hope something positive will happen to change the attitude of the younger generation, but most likely it will be a devastating event. Change indeed.

Originally posted by network dude
after attempting to discuss points in the thread about how Those who have served were not heroes, and not being able to communicate due to low quantities of intelligence, I decided to open up this topic.

S & F for you on this topic, but I would caution you against descending to the name-calling and demonizing that the people you are speaking about generally resort to.

There are apparently quite a few extremely ignorant little kids who think that Our military is made up of evil people. They are condemning the soldiers in an effort to appear intelligent with their peers.

Unfortunately this is what they are being taught in what passes for an education these days.

If there was no military in the United States, there would be no wars, there would be no hunger, there would be no problems...... for you. You would be dead. Some small country, probably like Columbia or Venezuela would stroll in here and kill you and take your stuff. All of it. They might have a go at your daughter or wife before killing them, but no matter. Dead is dead. Even in California. The land of liberal love and friendship. Hugo Chavez himself might move into a nice house in wine country.

This is the key paragraph. All they have to do is look through history at any country that was weaker than it's neighbors. And little countries have brought down huge empires before.

Are the kids being brought up in the USA and the other free countries really that stupid? When I say stupid, I mean just a step above needing a feeding tube because chewing is a brain function not yet in the inventory.

Stupid and naive are not the same thing. Again, this comes partially from what they are being taught in the schools. I believe the other component is their fear that somehow they might be caught up in a something they have been taught to fear. Their naive thought process then produces the simplistic "solution" of "no military = we're safe".

Nobody likes war. Except the politicians who don't have to fight in it. The enemy would much rather remain an ally. A soldier would much rather help clean up after a storm than have to travel to far away lands to kill other people. They would much rather tuck their children into bed at night instead of praying for the next 8 months to go by quick so they can do that cumbersome task. I don't want your sympathy, the soldiers don't want your sympathy, they don't want you to compromise your ideals and beliefs on their behalf. But please try to be smart enough to know who to direct your anger at. You were somehow smart enough to type your user name and password in to get this far. Go the extra inch.

Again, try saying it without demonizing. Educate instead. Otherwise, IMO you are entirely correct.

[edit on 11/12/2009 by centurion1211]

The problem is not the military.

The problem is the way in which the military is used (and abused) by the corrupt politicians & bureaucrats in Washington.

Most people complaining about "the military" are really complaining about the our foreign policy, and they have a point. This contry needs to learn to conduct it's foreign policy without resorting the constant threat of military invasion or assult.

TPTB in Washington need to learn that they have been elected by the AMERICAN PEOPLE and not by the people of the world and they have no right meddling in the affairs of other countries.

Cut out the BS about the US being the last superpower and that we need to police the world. That's crap.

There are plenty of international organizations in place for that and we should not be "going it alone" to fix some percieved wrong if the international community disagrees.

America need to stop using it's military to be the bully on the playground and learn to get along with the other kids before they band together to take down that bully.

I appreciate your sentiments, OP, but your argument is just as one-sided as those you are opposing. I don't think that all soldiers are or are not heroes. I believe that saving a life, not taking one, is heroic. For those in the military who do this, my hat is off to them. Not all who enlist even have higher ideals or a sense of nationality that others do. I know several people who enlisted who did it for college tuition or simply because they didn't know what else to do with their life. Soldiers who rape women or control un-manned drones to drop bombs on tribal villages under the guise of democracy are not heroes. Also, just assuming that by not having a military would make us all dead is speculative anyways. Although I understand that we do need a military in this day and age, what's so wrong about wishing we didn't?

Originally posted by Doomsday 2029



[edit on 12-11-2009 by network dude]

Soldiers who rape women

Servicemen and women who commit crimes are punished. That's why we have NCIS/AFOSI/Army CID/CGIS and the MPs/SPs/SFs/DOD Police.

You want to talk about wanton rape? Check out what happened when the Red Army did after they took Berlin in 1945. They raped and murdered over 200,000 German women - rapes that were condoned and sanctioned by their own officers. The Red Army did not even have a military police force to maintain order hence they acted like animals wherever they went. Compare that to ONE incident in Iraq and the soldier in question was sentenced to life in prison.

All I can add to this is to suggest watching the movie "Red Dawn." If that doesn't open any eyes, I don't know what will.........