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Originally posted by cyberdude78
I proudly serve my country as an aircraft maintainer, and I've noticed a very interesting point that people are trying to make against the military. Some people tell us that we're complying with unconstitutional orders, and that we should disobey our orders. Some seem to be telling us that the military should be overthrowing our government. This raises a question. Say the military goes ahead and disobeys orders and starts arresting members of the federal government, then what?
We'll have just committed a coup against a government that was elected by its people. What then? Have a new set of elections so that people can just elect the same kinds of people they originally put in office? Do we install one of our generals as president and go on with our lives under a military dictatorship?
Because I'm really not seeing what else we could do if we all decided to disobey orders. The most underlying principle of the United States military is that at all times it is under civilian control. The day we remove elected civilian control over the military is the day that we become a military dictatorship. Who would you rather have running this country, an elected president and congress, or a general that is accountable to no one?
To all the people that tell me to disobey my orders because you disagree with American foreign policy, I say that I prefer that this country remain under civilian control. I may be an enlisted man, but I know full well that a military dictatorship is the last thing this country needs. So if you want change, do it yourself. The job of the military is to defend this nation, it's the job of the citizen to make sure that there's a nation to defend.
As for the original question of whether or not the military is made up of heroes. I'm not one, but I have the honor of working with and supporting many of them.
Originally posted by GovtFlu
A military take over shouldn't last forever... restoring power to civilians can be accomplished inside a year imo, unless that's too hard for the military to figure out how to do. If military personnel are not up to the task, have a few civilians ready to step in immediately to make the hard choices.
Your desire for un-checked civilian control is leading this nation into the same abyss as other failed empires and causing the suffering of millions of innocent souls.
So you in the military can do nothing but continue being good killing robots for the elite as the country circles the drain, or you can make the difficult choices to save the nation from its domestic enemy leaders in the banker gangster owned and operated GOP / DNC.
Unless there are no domestic enemies to oust, or it's just too hard and complected a task for the military, all is well.. nothing to see here (except the USS Titanic sinking as the band plays).. keep on following orders killing innocent people who pose no threat to US soil... because someone else said so.
And yes, I served, deployed and all that.. it was for nothing, all I saw was a giant crime in progress. Killing strangers defending their way of life wasn't protecting Americans freedoms.. if anything it was denying freedom, life, and the ability to peruse happiness for millions of Iraqis who posed no threat to US citizens... all for what? for who? some sociopolitical oligarch gelatinous tape worms I'm supposed to call "leaders"?.. f that, my life is worth more than theirs.
There was no honor in serving for them, advancing their agenda.. only shame in helping ruin millions of lives. If I had done something for the good of my brother & sister citizens.. that would be something to feel proud of.
Originally posted by 12212012
reply to post by network dude
NOBODY is going to take over America as long as we have our guns! we have enough guns to outfit the entire Chinese Military. NOBODY is going to give up their guns!
Those who serve swore to protect and defend the constitution of the United States, being in Iraq goes against everything the constitution stood for and what the founding fathers stood for. They have a moral duty to stand up and deny the orders they are given, WE don't have the power to end these wars obviously, the MILITARY does, all they have to do is do what is right and STAND UP to there commanders.
Originally posted by Swampfox46_1999
reply to post by Uniceft17
Those who serve swore to protect and defend the constitution of the United States, being in Iraq goes against everything the constitution stood for and what the founding fathers stood for. They have a moral duty to stand up and deny the orders they are given, WE don't have the power to end these wars obviously, the MILITARY does, all they have to do is do what is right and STAND UP to there commanders.
Now this is just the sort of ignorant comment that irritates me to no end. No to mention that it shows a distinct lack of knowledge of U.S. History.
You say that the war in Iraq is against the Constitution. Which part? You say its against everything that the Constitution stands for..like what? I am going to guess you do not realize that without the French, the Germans, and the Dutch, we most likely would not have beaten the British as relatively quickly as we did. Possibly you did not learn about the Monroe Doctrine.
We went into Iraq to ensure we would not have to worry about Saddam Hussien either training more terrorists to do us harm or to start mass producing WMDs and giving them to the same terrorists. Then again, maybe you are ignorant of the last 35 years of history.
Either way, I will continue to defend your right to be ignorant.
Originally posted by cyberdude78
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