There is no good without evil. A human cannot know good without evil.
So, are you saying that GOD is evil? Just think what kind of world it would be if no one ever suffered or died while still multiplying. A bit crowded don't you think? All death and suffering must be random in nature. Again, what would it be like if we all knew that only the evil or the old suffered and died and that all the rest of us were immune? Do you really not see this? It's called population control and He designed it to be 100% random, as it should be.

No one gives GOD the respect He deserves for this amazing existence.


[edit on 21-10-2009 by sickofitall2012]

Originally posted by CHA0S
Through careful study of texts in the bible, or at least major one’s (and one‘s often told to children at Sunday school), you can see a definite trend to people claiming God is good, Satan is Evil, but why is that?

In Moses and the Red Sea the Pharaoh (in Exodus) had Moses and “his people” as slaves. God told Moses to go to Pharaoh to request for Moses’ people to be set free. The Pharaoh refused of course and thus God was angered. He sent a set of punishments to the Pharaoh because of this. Among one of the punishments he gave the Pharaoh was that every first born Egyptian child dies. This of course punishes the innocent too does it not, killing countless children for what someone else did. However, this is often told to kids in Sunday school as God doing good work. How is him killing a bunch of innocents good?

Noah’s Ark, another famous story told to children, in which God washes away the mistakes of the world by having it rain for days. Of course the story goes that Noah was told by god to make an Ark and that when it was made 2 of every animal boarded (This is not based on whether this is plausible to do such a thing so please do not bring it up) and the world was then flooded. Of course apart from the 2 of every animal on the Ark would have drowned and those that were left, they would have returned to a home which was greatly damaged by all the gushing water of the flood, and some wouldn’t have been able to have survived in the new environment and died anyway. (Once again, please don’t get into the fact that they’d have to inbreed and that at one point the bible counted this as ok but God changed his mind, this is not part of this) Our point here, is how is killing 99%+ of animals and humans good?

However, I haven’t heard much of Satan going out and mass murdering innocents or killing 99%+ of the animals, and yet God has, and God is considered all good, correct?

It has been written that “Thou Shalt Not Kill”, as one of the commandments, but at points the bible states that "If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them" (Leviticus 20:13) (I’m not getting into the point that technically it says nothing about female homosexuals exactly and thus God is a sexual bigot) as well as other parts inciting killing, or murdering someone, for what they’ve done wrong in God’s eyes. Yet I’ve never heard of Satan saying that someone should die, just because of who that person falls in love with and has sexual relations with. No offence but isn’t saying someone should die because of who they love?

Talking about killing in God’s name, many years ago I believe Christians burnt many people alive, claiming they were practising magic. However, in Jesus’ case, who supposedly performed miracles like turning water into wine, healing the wounded miraculously and so on and so forth, and yet he himself is considered good and blessed and somewhat idolized and worshipped. Why is this? Just cause of who his father was?

Based on what the bible says you should not think for yourself and to blindly obey, is that not the thinking of a slave driver, to have you do their bidding unquestioningly and not thinking for yourself? By the way, I am referring to; Proverbs 3:5 “Trust in the lord with all your heart; and lean not unto your own understanding.” Is being a slave driver then counted as good? Or only if you are God? Why does God get away with the very acts he himself supposedly has punished?

I’ve also read about a man named Job’s. Supposedly Satan challenged God to prove that he has followers who would believe unquestioningly, even without all he has. God agreed and had most, if not all, of Jobs animals were killed or stolen, had his servants slaughtered, killed his children in a storm and had him fall ill, and as Job stilled turned to God, Satan was wrong… but in this case can you really attribute it to LOVE OF GOD. He believed God had just killed a bunch of his stuff and done all this horrible stuff to him, he could be fearing God that much that he felt that he had to appease him. He’d already lost his family, and his livelihood. And whose hand played this foul trick? God. He agreed to having Job lose everything, and he would thus as much be to blame as Satan, would he not? He ruined someone’s life out of pride. Why did he need to prove this point to anyone, especially Satan? (Look in the bible under; Job) [I have read the ending too where God BLESSES Job, but what about the kids of Job’s who died out of God’s arrogance?] Where is the goodness there?

It is stated that God’s only agreement to the use of blood is as a worship sacrifice to atone for sins (Leviticus 17:11) and thus blood transfusions are against the teachings of God, meaning that if you NEED a blood transfusion, God would rather have you die. As one’s blood is only meant to be used for worship. So, God telling you to choose death instead of life is good too then I presume?

I must ask now, what has Satan done wrong to be labelled as evil?


// This has been a joint effort by CHA0S and Neo-Dark //

First off these laws are for people, God does not have to stand by them, we only do so we don't wipe each other out and his overal plan for the earth.

If God wants to kill you he can, he does not have to abide to the 10 commandments, God does not need say believe in God to himself.

Most of what you said are before the 10 commandments, God has a relationship with mankind or his chosen to do his work, if someone or something gets in the way then he will have to punish or do something about it.

Noah's ark was because Angels mixed genes with creation and mankind and giants were born, Nephilim which currupted human DNA and other animals which was illegal and still is. They were again spawned in the southern Israel region before Moses overcame them.

As for the Pharaoh, he was standing in the way of God's plan for saving mankind, like many others have that have perished because of it.
If God killed the Egyptians children then it was for two things, to stop the next generation from doing it again and to send a message only they would undertand. They tried to stop the coming of the overal plan which was Christ his Son and many times that had occured.

The Devil won't tell you how many times he tried to do that, at least God says what he does.

(Leviticus 20:13) Again it was tribal law for that generation, they had to be like Priests like how a priest has his own standards. As man became aquanted and made new covenants with God the laws become less strict, hence why in the New Testament it is leaniant and Christ died for us.

Man was more perfect in those times, we had a set standard built in us, but slowly that eroded and the knowlede of sin currupted us, but God chose a few important people who were to carry the purest line of Adam and make compromises with him.

Each event was unique, you can not apply the same themes of the past with now and then or in between. But if God want's to send his final judgements it is because man will try and stop his plan, mankind will once again try and stop the Jewish promise God has with them, they will even try and stop God, that means God and his Angels will fight back, call it Armageddon, Gog and Magog and the Apocalypse, it will be happen because man and the fallen ones want to stop his plans which are for the greater good. He created earth and yet we want to destroy it, he won't allow it.

As for blood transfusions, did not Jesus say this is my blood and this is my body, so eat.

It does not say anything about transfusions, it was for people drinking animal blood not human blood, since when did they use human blood? Also it was medically bad for them and it is proven to be and could prove a decline in their populations.

It sounds like someone or something is making out to you Satan is Good or something, if so why did he try and tempt Jesus out of his fate? How many times has he and his Godless faithless armies tried to kill off the Adam pure bloodlines so Jesus could never be born. How many times today in the news have they wanted to destroy Israel and stop the final days of Satan's doom. One sign of the end of the Age is when Israel is a nation again and they have Enemies in the Middle East. The Devil does not have a book about what he has done right, well there might be one book that looks suspicious it could be inspired by him, that is another story.

Are you sure you are not listening to Johavah Witnesses, the witnesses who refuse to witness the testamony of Christ?
[edit on 21-10-2009 by The time lord]

[edit on 21-10-2009 by The time lord]

I think you should read my post and stop arguing also read the post below it it makes sense.

Originally posted by tinfoilman
So you got to pick one belief system or the other. You can't mix them just to make God look bad. Believers will see right through the trick as soon as you say the word death because we don't believe in death.

Then let's just say God, since the other people weren't believers, unjustifiably damned them to hell. Sounds good...