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Originally posted by CHA0S
Through careful study of texts in the bible, or at least major one’s (and one‘s often told to children at Sunday school), you can see a definite trend to people claiming God is good, Satan is Evil, but why is that?
In Moses and the Red Sea the Pharaoh (in Exodus) had Moses and “his people” as slaves. God told Moses to go to Pharaoh to request for Moses’ people to be set free. The Pharaoh refused of course and thus God was angered. He sent a set of punishments to the Pharaoh because of this. Among one of the punishments he gave the Pharaoh was that every first born Egyptian child dies. This of course punishes the innocent too does it not, killing countless children for what someone else did. However, this is often told to kids in Sunday school as God doing good work. How is him killing a bunch of innocents good?
Noah’s Ark, another famous story told to children, in which God washes away the mistakes of the world by having it rain for days. Of course the story goes that Noah was told by god to make an Ark and that when it was made 2 of every animal boarded (This is not based on whether this is plausible to do such a thing so please do not bring it up) and the world was then flooded. Of course apart from the 2 of every animal on the Ark would have drowned and those that were left, they would have returned to a home which was greatly damaged by all the gushing water of the flood, and some wouldn’t have been able to have survived in the new environment and died anyway. (Once again, please don’t get into the fact that they’d have to inbreed and that at one point the bible counted this as ok but God changed his mind, this is not part of this) Our point here, is how is killing 99%+ of animals and humans good?
However, I haven’t heard much of Satan going out and mass murdering innocents or killing 99%+ of the animals, and yet God has, and God is considered all good, correct?
It has been written that “Thou Shalt Not Kill”, as one of the commandments, but at points the bible states that "If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them" (Leviticus 20:13) (I’m not getting into the point that technically it says nothing about female homosexuals exactly and thus God is a sexual bigot) as well as other parts inciting killing, or murdering someone, for what they’ve done wrong in God’s eyes. Yet I’ve never heard of Satan saying that someone should die, just because of who that person falls in love with and has sexual relations with. No offence but isn’t saying someone should die because of who they love?
Talking about killing in God’s name, many years ago I believe Christians burnt many people alive, claiming they were practising magic. However, in Jesus’ case, who supposedly performed miracles like turning water into wine, healing the wounded miraculously and so on and so forth, and yet he himself is considered good and blessed and somewhat idolized and worshipped. Why is this? Just cause of who his father was?
Based on what the bible says you should not think for yourself and to blindly obey, is that not the thinking of a slave driver, to have you do their bidding unquestioningly and not thinking for yourself? By the way, I am referring to; Proverbs 3:5 “Trust in the lord with all your heart; and lean not unto your own understanding.” Is being a slave driver then counted as good? Or only if you are God? Why does God get away with the very acts he himself supposedly has punished?
I’ve also read about a man named Job’s. Supposedly Satan challenged God to prove that he has followers who would believe unquestioningly, even without all he has. God agreed and had most, if not all, of Jobs animals were killed or stolen, had his servants slaughtered, killed his children in a storm and had him fall ill, and as Job stilled turned to God, Satan was wrong… but in this case can you really attribute it to LOVE OF GOD. He believed God had just killed a bunch of his stuff and done all this horrible stuff to him, he could be fearing God that much that he felt that he had to appease him. He’d already lost his family, and his livelihood. And whose hand played this foul trick? God. He agreed to having Job lose everything, and he would thus as much be to blame as Satan, would he not? He ruined someone’s life out of pride. Why did he need to prove this point to anyone, especially Satan? (Look in the bible under; Job) [I have read the ending too where God BLESSES Job, but what about the kids of Job’s who died out of God’s arrogance?] Where is the goodness there?
It is stated that God’s only agreement to the use of blood is as a worship sacrifice to atone for sins (Leviticus 17:11) and thus blood transfusions are against the teachings of God, meaning that if you NEED a blood transfusion, God would rather have you die. As one’s blood is only meant to be used for worship. So, God telling you to choose death instead of life is good too then I presume?
I must ask now, what has Satan done wrong to be labelled as evil?
// This has been a joint effort by CHA0S and Neo-Dark //
Uhhh...what does suffering have to do with dying? Who says dying is even a bad thing at all...I look forward to it...it's when the real fun begins my friend...
So, are you saying that GOD is evil? Just think what kind of world it would be if no one ever suffered or died while still multiplying.
In what context. In the bible or in general?
Originally posted by CHA0S
reply to post by atlasastro
What if it was anyone else committing the murder?
It is not automatically perceived as Good. You don't perceive it as Good do You. Other perceive it as Good by choosing to, by being indoctrinated or by basing the way they perceive good and evil by the dichotomy of God equaling good and the Devil equaling Evil.
Why, when God does it, is it automatically perceived as good, not evil?
Are you now accepting the Bible as being literal in the parts that support your criticisms and questions?
I don't care what his excuse was...he's almighty and powerful...there is no need to wipe out 99%+ of humans and animals
Really? Are you saying that you understand the rationale of "god" yet wonder why God is deemed Good and the Devil evil!
...I'm sure he could have came up with a better way of going about things
Listen to yourself. "It is just plain evil". Which reference or definition of "Evil" are you using, and why is your definition of evil defined as such.
...it's just plain evil however you look at it...I couldn't give a rats $@# if it was God...big freakin deal...he still has no right...
I can't help but feel sorry for you...if you can believe it's not evil to kill a little girl because God told you to...you need to wake up...refer to a post I made on the first page to see what I think about God being able to take our life, because he gave it...
He's the creator, he can destroy it and can recreate it if he wants. Take it to Heaven or do whatever he wants with it. The earth, an animal, you, me.
If he tells you to do something and you don't, that's evil. Doesn't matter what you did or didn't do. All that matters is if you obeyed the command. If he tells you to kill someone and you don't, that's evil. If he tells you not to kill someone and you do, that's still evil.
I am Atheist, well agnostic really, but I believe in an after life...but murder is still murder...sadness still comes from death...whatever happens...we only get a short time here on this physical plane...I believe after that, we can't come back...make the most of it...
Try not to mix the atheist's views of eternal death into the equation
Noah's ark was because Angels mixed genes with creation and mankind and giants were born, Nephilim which currupted human DNA and other animals which was illegal and still is. They were again spawned in the southern Israel region before Moses overcame them.
If God killed the Egyptians children then it was for two things, to stop the next generation from doing it again and to send a message only they would undertand.
He created earth and yet we want to destroy it, he won't allow it.
As for blood transfusions, did not Jesus say this is my blood and this is my body, so eat.
The Devil does not have a book about what he has done right, well there might be one book that looks suspicious it could be inspired by him, that is another story.
Originally posted by tinfoilman
So you got to pick one belief system or the other. You can't mix them just to make God look bad. Believers will see right through the trick as soon as you say the word death because we don't believe in death.