Well I don't think he's gonna choose us... I think your right in a way, we live in a multiverse...
WE are living in one possibility.
If you think that will get you anywhere...think again...good day.
Proverbs 3:5 “Trust in the lord with all your heart; and lean not unto your own understanding.”
Yeah...we know...sorry...it's just easy to use those terms...
god and satan are not "people" god is not a "he"
Is God's killing justified? To answer the question whether God breaks His own commandments, we need to determine if God committed murder (i.e., killed people without cause). The Bible is quite clear that God has killed people directly (the most prominent example being the flood) and indirectly (ordered peoples to be killed). If God ordered or participated in the killing of innocent people, then He would be guilty of murder. Let's look at two of the most prominent examples.
The flood According to the Bible, God killed every human except Noah, his wife, his sons, and their wives in the flood. Were any of these people killed unjustly? The Bible says specifically that all people (except Noah and his family) had become corrupted.12 Not only had all people become corrupted, but they were continually plotting evil!13 Is it possible that an entire culture can become corrupted? You bet! Recent history proves the point rather well. When the Nazis took over Germany before WWII, opposition was crushed and removed. When they began their purging of the undesirables (e.g., the Jews), virtually the entire society went along with the plan. Further examples are given on another page. So, the Bible indicates that no innocent people were killed in the flood.
God orders killing What about when God ordered Joshua and his people to kill every man, woman and child in Canaan?14 What crime could be so great that entire populations of cities were designated for destruction? God told Moses that the nations that the Hebrew were replacing were wicked.15 How "wicked" were these people? The text tells us that they were burning their own sons and daughters in sacrifices to their gods.16 So we see that these people were not really innocent. For these reasons (and others17), God ordered the destruction of the peoples whom the Israelites dispossessed.
What about the children and other "innocents"Surely God could have spared the children! People tend to assume that children are innocent, even if their parents are doing bad things. The assumption is unfounded. For example, Palestinian Muslim children are officially taught in grammar school to hate their Jewish neighbors.18 They are so well indoctrinated that some of them give up their lives in suicide bombings as children.19 Corruption literally does breed corruption, which is why God did not want the Hebrews tainted by the other corrupt cultures of the Middle East.
Surely there must have been other innocent adults in those cities who were destroyed with the wicked! There actually is an example of a time when God was asked if He would destroy the innocent along with the wicked. Prior to destroying Sodom and Gomorrah, Abraham asked God if He would destroy the righteous along with the wicked.20 God replied that He would spare the entire city for 50 righteous people.21 Abraham kept reducing the possible number of righteous people, asking God if He would destroy the entire city along with those number of righteous people.22 God's reply in each case was that He would not destroy the righteous along with the wicked. The lowest number Abraham asked about was ten righteous people, although the answer would likely be the same with as few as one righteous individual. How do we know this? God sent two angels to warn the four righteous people in Sodom to flee before He destroyed the city.23 It is quite convenient that such details are usually left out of atheistic sites complaining about the "evil" perpetrated by God. In fact, God saved certain people from being killed in cities such as Jericho.24
Conclusion The commandment "Thou shalt not kill" is really not as general as the King James version would indicate. The commandment actually refers to premeditated, unjustified killing - murder. Although God ordered the extermination of entire cities, He did so in righteous judgment on a people whose corruption had led to extreme wickedness, including child sacrifice. Did God destroy the righteous along with the wicked? In an exchange with Abraham, God indicated that He would spare the wicked to save the righteous. He demonstrated this principle by saving righteous people from Sodom and Jericho prior to their destruction. The charge that God indiscriminately murdered people does not hold to to critical evaluation of the biblical texts.
Where did Satan go wrong... My my... where do we begin..?
Let me see, there was that direct rebellion and rejection of God.
Then there was the assault of God by the third of all the angels led by Satan.
Then there was the deception of man by Satan.
The LORD said to Satan, "Very well, then, everything he has is in your hands, but on the man himself do not lay a finger." Then Satan went out from the presence of the LORD.
Then there was that Nephilim thing where the fallen ones were corrupting
all flesh (man and animal) through sexual intercourse creating hideous creatures.
The Nephilim were on the earth in those days—and also afterward—when the sons of God went to the daughters of men and had children by them. They were the heroes of old, men of renown.
Then there are the countless wars, murders, immoral, acts, stealing, hatred
Since God is Supreme anything that is in opposition to His will is "evil".
I didn't read through your whole post...but...if you flip a coin 1 million times, what are the chances only one or two of the times you get heads? Even if you did it 100 times? The chances of Noah being the only uncorrupted person on Earth is mind-boggling...and why was his family saved also? Doesn't it seem a bit odd that only people from the same family were worthy of saving? Now what are the chances of that? Maybe his family wasn't pure...but they earned the right to live through Noah? Is that fair? What if Hitler told you everyone he killed had become corrupted? Would you believe him? Would you believe those odds? Sounds like God's trying to pull a fast one to me...
Were any of these people killed unjustly? The Bible says specifically that all people (except Noah and his family) had become corrupted.
So, the Bible indicates that no innocent people were killed in the flood
Originally posted by PSUSA
He knows "all" including the future so why would he just have not created him in the first place and everything would be straight.
Name one virtue that isn't learned by overcoming some form of evil.
It seems to me that your words indicate that you believe all would be paradise if only God had been more considerate by not creating Satan. I submit we can't handle a paradise in our weakened state. We need a fight, to struggle to grow and learn. We sometimes need a good push to do this, and evil is a good tool to use to make us do things we don't want to do.
You know what happens to people when they get everything handed to them on a silver platter. They turn into spoiled brats.
2 Peter 1:3-4 (New International Version)
His divine power has given us everything we need for life and godliness through our knowledge of him who called us by his own glory and goodness. Through these he has given us his very great and precious promises, so that through them you may participate in the divine nature and escape the corruption in the world caused by evil desires.
Galatians 5:22-23 (New International Version)
But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness and self-control. Against such things there is no law.