As usual, when the 'fundies' can't win, they quote scripture from the bastardised fiction novel known as "The Bible".

BORING! BORING! BORING!

Come up with a new tactic. Try and think of something that actually uses logic and reason, perhaps even science to justify yourselves. You won't because you can't. So the bible quotes just keep on coming.

I may as well start quoting a cookbook for all the relevance the bible has.

The Para.

I haven't heard the entire thread because frankly I don't feel like sitting through 8 pages of drivel from people who don't know anything about Christianity other than what hate websites tell them. The NUMBER 1 reason people hate Christianity is because they can't cope with a belief that requires them to have personal accountability for their actions. This is evidenced by the fact that so many people quote the Bible in a negative light without knowing enough about the circumstances to resolve it properly. Also, anyone who says that Christians are the cause of soooooo many wars and horrors failed History 101.

This might get deleted because of the tone, but I don't care. I'm sick of seeing all the lies and filth from people who proffess to pursue "truth".

LOL ... I lied ... I actually enjoy engaging people in this kind of conversation ... so lets carry on then ...

Angels huh? ... And they need Lot to protect them from gays and drunken violent people by offering his two virgin daughters in their stead?!

It was not an entire country that was nuked ... it was two cities - and not very big ones at that.

Pray tell ... how did anyone know that they got him drunk ... that he would have refused if sober (remember he offered them to be raped by the heathens you describe so eloquently) ... who documented or told this story on? ... the girls? ... couldn't have been Lot because he was too drunk to remember - right? (Excuse me but I can't help wondering how he got it up in that state ... s'pose its not completely impossible though)

They new full well that they were not the only people left on the planet ... they knew, for example, that Abraham and his buddies were still around ... oh, and lets not forget the village/city that Lot asked the "angels" to spare ... no?

Its amazing how, when one highlights double standards like these in the Bible, that defenders pop out to justify the very actions that Sodom and Gomorrah were destroyed for. How strong that sense of fear is that the church instills if you dare question ... rather cover it up with all manner of illogical justifications than say "Haaaaang on just one minute!!"

Just as water and oil do not mix, so too Christianity and the Jews do not mix with the world. Christians and Jews believe in one supreme God Creator to whom we are accountable for what we do. The world does not accept this view because the world is not of God but of Satan, whom is the god of this world.

Therefore, it is the sincere desire for the world to rid itself once and for all of the Christian and the Jew. Now the world will make excuses and say that they wish no harm to either and that they don't spew hate but that would be a self deception and a lie. They hate because they are wrong in their own actions and are convicted by the mere presence of the light, and then condemned for their rejection of it.

So don't be dismayed at the hate, it is what Jesus said would happen. Soon they will attempt to mass exterminate both groups, the Jew and the Christian because the world is dark and getting darker by the day. True evil is about to rise to such power as the world has never seen before. It will be seen as the moral correctness and we Christians shall be treated as were the Jews under Nazi Germany.

Look at it as another sign of the last days upon us, and know that they cannot win.

[edit on 21-10-2009 by Fromabove]

wait...whats wrong with Christians who aren't conservative?

My big problem with religion (not the belief in god, I don't believe in God, but I can't deny the existence of clubs), is that although they preach tolerance, acceptance, and welcoming with open arms...very few actually practice this and find it much more accommodating to their needs to be intolerant and exclusionary.

Oh also differences in religion are responsible for countless deaths through history all the way up to today.

Originally posted by Azuredrake
I haven't heard the entire thread because frankly I don't feel like sitting through 8 pages of drivel from people who don't know anything about Christianity other than what hate websites tell them. The NUMBER 1 reason people hate Christianity is because they can't cope with a belief that requires them to have personal accountability for their actions. This is evidenced by the fact that so many people quote the Bible in a negative light without knowing enough about the circumstances to resolve it properly. Also, anyone who says that Christians are the cause of soooooo many wars and horrors failed History 101.

This might get deleted because of the tone, but I don't care. I'm sick of seeing all the lies and filth from people who proffess to pursue "truth".

If you cannot take the time to read the entire thread and all the information and different view/arguments/opinions and questions presented in it, then please don't try and solve all previous 8 pages with your post. I have plenty of personal accountability becase I answer to myself and the law. If anything christians have no accountibilty because God is above the law and anything done can simply be forgiven. Rape? Sorry God, forgiven. Murder? Sorry God, forgiven. I don't quote the bible for any purpose as I see it as a story of fiction, when I quote a book in order to give proof of something, I tend to use something with a bit more credibility to it, like an encyclopedia.

Ok, so apparently I'll have to do your "research" for you.

Originally posted by Psyagra
Angels huh? ... And they need Lot to protect them from gays and drunken violent people by offering his two virgin daughters in their stead?!

It was only until Lot granted hospitality to the two angels did he in fact learn they were angels sent to destroy the place and grant Lot refuge in Zoar. With their salvation in the hands of the angels, who in their right mind would let them be violated sexually by a drunk, gay, angry mob? Offering his daughters would have been the most logical thing to do. Two things about this as well: There's nothing to say that this wasn't an empty gesture anyway since Lot knew the men were gay. There's nothing to say hat Lot never had the consent of his daughters before hand either. One who's looking to discredit the Bible however would just gloss over these ideas.
Also, you say this and quote angels underneath as if to say that they weren't expressly stated as being angels with Lot in the bible. Why do you do this?

It was not an entire country that was nuked ... it was two cities - and not very big ones at that.

It was 4 cities. Sodom, Gomorrah, Admah, and Zeboim. It would have been 5 (Zoar) had it not been for Lot's pleading to save any righteous men still living there. This place was known as the Pentapolis. ..and yes, it was large enough that people MIGRATED there to raise families and live out the rest of their days.

Pray tell ... how did anyone know that they got him drunk ... that he would have refused if sober (remember he offered them to be raped by the heathens you describe so eloquently) ... who documented or told this story on? ... the girls? ... couldn't have been Lot because he was too drunk to remember - right? (Excuse me but I can't help wondering how he got it up in that state ... s'pose its not completely impossible though)

Complete straw man.

They new full well that they were not the only people left on the planet ... they knew, for example, that Abraham and his buddies were still around ... oh, and lets not forget the village/city that Lot asked the "angels" to spare ... no?

Abraham and Lot were at odds with each other. Abraham seperated himself from Lot because Lot turned his mind to worldy possessions instead of living by faith. While Abraham ventured to where God lead him, Lot went to Sodom because he saw with his own eyes that it pleased him for the land was fertile and well watered. Perhaps I should have worded it better in that the daugters felt it was their duty to perserve their family line, if not repopulate the region (again, you're underestimating the destruction).
The village Lot asked to spare was Zoar. It was on the list for destruction, but Lot's only plea was that he have somewhere to go and that any righteous man still living there be saved. No doubt there is an alterior motive in that Lot, not truly living by faith, wanted to stay in the area of fertile land. Lot however, (much like you) underestimated the destruction and ended up living in a cave to get away from the people of Zoar since they were originally as sinful as the rest.

Its amazing how, when one highlights double standards like these in the Bible, that defenders pop out to justify the very actions that Sodom and Gomorrah were destroyed for. How strong that sense of fear is that the church instills if you dare question ... rather cover it up with all manner of illogical justifications than say "Haaaaang on just one minute!!"

I find it more amazing that people with no "working" knowledge of the Bible and what it entails, even attempts to explain anything about it.


"A greebolwok was killed while trunjugattling a horrifsteltler, for woggleraftting a quidliggerton". - Can you tell me if this is a bad thing? No. If you could study to tell me, would you? ..still no.

Originally posted by stereovoyaged

Originally posted by Azuredrake
I haven't heard the entire thread because frankly I don't feel like sitting through 8 pages of drivel from people who don't know anything about Christianity other than what hate websites tell them. The NUMBER 1 reason people hate Christianity is because they can't cope with a belief that requires them to have personal accountability for their actions. This is evidenced by the fact that so many people quote the Bible in a negative light without knowing enough about the circumstances to resolve it properly. Also, anyone who says that Christians are the cause of soooooo many wars and horrors failed History 101.

This might get deleted because of the tone, but I don't care. I'm sick of seeing all the lies and filth from people who proffess to pursue "truth".

If you cannot take the time to read the entire thread and all the information and different view/arguments/opinions and questions presented in it, then please don't try and solve all previous 8 pages with your post. I have plenty of personal accountability becase I answer to myself and the law. If anything christians have no accountibilty because God is above the law and anything done can simply be forgiven. Rape? Sorry God, forgiven. Murder? Sorry God, forgiven. I don't quote the bible for any purpose as I see it as a story of fiction, when I quote a book in order to give proof of something, I tend to use something with a bit more credibility to it, like an encyclopedia.

I'm not attempting to solve the last 8 pages. I'm giving my response to the OP's opinion.

Also, saying that Christians have no accoutability because it can just be forgiving is another gross generalized notion NOT supported by the Bible. Born through not having a "working" knowledge of what it says.

Christians are closer to fascists than they are liberals, which is why people dislike them.

The Catholic church has been telling poor people that they can't use condoms, despite rampant aids epidemic. In the mean time, they have been covering up pedophilia rape amongst their staff, while shouting that "the rest of the world has turned on its head."

Right, it's the progressive, free thinking, non-crazy realists who are ruining the world. Not the dark age, magical-minded, faith loving whacko's in big white dresses with funny hats who claim to know the mind of god who are ruining the world.


I mean, I could go on. Every religion is freaking crazy like that. Look at the mormons. Look at scientologists. Look at hasidic jews. Look at muslims. The list just goes on and on.

Religion is for weak minded people who need a crutch in life, and would rather be controlled by a master than live free.