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Originally posted by trey85
)Theres no telling how many trillions of planets that exit in the universe ,but where the only one that has life on it .This is just insane.(theres a reasonable debate)
Originally posted by Darkside Agent
reply to post by Skeptical Ed
I am a person who believes that there is some form of other life out there, whether its microbacterial or a fully developed species capable of time travel i have no idea....allthough i would lean towards: If we find just one type of living organism, that means there must be more right? Of course, this is just my opinion, not based in fact.
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Skeptical Ed: "I didn't reply to you earlier 'cause your method of copying and pasting in quoting me confused me. But now I get you. You, of course, are entitled to your opinion regarding other life out there aside from humans. However, I cannot think like you. Numbers are meaningless if they're made up which is what people such as Drake and others have done. I can do the same and say that x amount of planets just have to contain some kind of life. Can I prove it? No. Can they prove it? No."
"To you, a UFO did crash in Roswell"
Can you prove one didnt? If a UFO did crash, doesnt mean there were aliens in it....just that a UFO crashed there....see the difference?
SE: "It's not up to me to prove a claim I didn't make. The claim is that a UFO did crash at Roswell. The onus for evidence is on anyone supporting making or supporting the claim. I'd rather accept the original reports as found in the 1947 newspapers and I understand why it was claimed that a UFO crashed. Would you prefer that the Russians find out that the U.S. gov't was spying on them with certain type of "primitive" ears? No UFO crash, no aliens, no craft taken somewhere for reverse engineering. If it had been as you prefer to believe the event would not have been forgotten for almost 30 years!"
"To you, the U.S. Gov't (and other governments) has UFO secrets that are going to be "disclosed" (yeah!)."
They have ufo related documents that are going to be released, multiple countries have already started...are you attaching UFO to aliens? you do know that UFO means unidentified flying object dont you? Doesn't always mean aliens....
SE: "Of course our gov't has secret documents that mention UFOs. We've know about them since at least 1984 when CLEAR INTENT was published. The documents are heavily blacked out because some of the information reveals how the particular agencies gather data and other sensitive information. Information that won't help anyone outside of their circles. In all of my posts since the 1990s I've never linked aliens to UFOs."
Basically, if something is presented as alien, i willl look at it with a skeptical but open mind, as there is a lot of cr*p being given out at present, with no facts to back it up...but being generalised by people like yourself without taking the time to find out what their personal beliefs are, is very narrow minded imo
SE: "If you believe aliens exist and they're interacting with humans, don't worry, be happy."
im agreeing with you on one part - some of the 'believers' on here arent helpin the cause and wont accept hard fact refuting their case because they just want to believe - im not one of them
SE: "Bingo! "
Originally posted by Aliensun
As a warning, don't follow the old Sagan logic and reasoning that parroted the dogma of conventional Science to make your argument. His typical argument of logic and reasoning was, "Yes, they are out there. But, no, they can't get here."
Let me give you a clue about the supposed holy maxim that "nothing can exceed the speed of light." Maybe that is true
(recent experiements tend to disprove that)
but with a ship--seemingly very much like your garden varienty UFO seen around our world all of the time, all you need to do is eliminate the mass of a vehicle and star travel is a piece of cake.
In other words, lyour superior ogic and reasoning must all be based on what you think is possible. That is just not acceptable. That, Ed, is where logic and reasoning fails you.
Experience is the key, and I guess you've never had the right kind. Too bad, it would really expand your horizons and give you a far better perspective on the incredible state of th Universe.
Originally posted by trey85
I think your the one that needs to do your research. Skeptics are are great to have around. Its just the ones like you that don't bring up no reasonable debate what so ever (close minded idiots).
Originally posted by Pathos
On Friday the 13th around 5:00pm, I will show the believers something very rational. If what I have to share does not convince the believers otherwise, (the necessity and importance of skeptic/critics), no one in these forums can help you guys.
Lets just say I am... Well, if I were to share it with everyone, before next week, it would not make much of an impact.
Believers need skeptics BIG time.[edit on 1-11-2009 by Pathos]
Originally posted by Skeptical Ed
Geez, I'm so sick and tired of seeing threads with titles attacking skeptics and debunkers as if the people posting such threads were the brightest stars in the sky! Believers have a problem with skeptics because skeptics put believers in their place. An extremely large percentage of ATS members, participating in the Aliens and UFOs forum, are believers and, trust me, that doesn't say much for them. Yea, they find a lot of company to commiserate with.
If it wasn't for skeptics this planet would have gone to hell in a handbasket! Look, believers, you are a gullible bunch. You accept whatever comes down the pike and the last thing you do is consider irrefutable evidence. To you, everything is as claimed. You don't have a curious bone in your body. None of you are scientists. None of you do in-depth research before you come to conclusions.
To you, a UFO did crash in Roswell. To you, millions of humans have been abducted by aliens. To you, there's a variety of aliens from greys to reptilians to Nordic to... To you, the U.S. Gov't (and other governments) has UFO secrets that are going to be "disclosed" (yeah!). To you, there are "captured" UFOs in Area 51 that are being reversed-engineered. To you, ...
Take advantage of the great tool being offered to you, our logical, reasoning minds!
Of course, it goes without saying that this thread if replied to by believers will be bombarded with insults 'cause logic is not their game.
How about it, skeptics, why don't you vent your frustrations with these don't-show-me-no-irrefutable-evidence-I-don't-need-it, I believe it cause he/she said so!
[edit on 17-10-2009 by Skeptical Ed]
[edit on 17-10-2009 by Skeptical Ed]
Originally posted by nightmare_david
If you really had something as important as you're implying, you wouldn't have to wait until a certain time.
That tells me it's nothing really important at all.
Originally posted by Imagir
ATS Skeptics, please take a look at this thread.
www.abovetopsecret.com...
Please watch the files and after ask to yourself: IF ONLY ONE of these people, or of these photo, or of these images, or of these videos, or of these scientific data on the ground..... IS REAL , THEN THIS PHENOMENON EXIST?
[edit on 2-11-2009 by Imagir]
Originally posted by Imagir
reply to post by Pathos
Do you see this thread and all the files? www.abovetopsecret.com...
You have wondered if only one of these things is real, then what would happen?
May be I don't understand, but what is the "whole picture that is beyond our comprehension"?