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Originally posted by DoomsdayRex
Originally posted by scobro
I hope,when it goes to trial,that his lawyer confronts the PTB with every single detail that McKinnon unearthed...
What details? McKinnon has no proof.
Originally posted by Malcram
reply to post by Detailed Perfection
Can I clarify here that where you have repeatedly written 'FACT:" that you are quoting the allegations of the U.S. Govt. made to secure his extradition and that these allegations are just that and have not been proven, and that the U.S. has not even been required to provide such evidence?
Therefore, they would not be 'FACTS" but merely allegation the U.S. Govt has made in order to get their hands on McKinnon?
"Analysis of the appellant’s home computer confirmed these allegations" is another allegation.
[edit on 14-10-2009 by Malcram]
Originally posted by _R4t_
Sounds like the great american plan... first you spread info on the media that he's suicidal now.... then a couple months after he's been behind the bars... OUPS omg he's found dead... he hung himself with both of his hands tied behind his back...
the guy's only to blame at 50%.... and the US should assume their responsibilities... If I leave my house doors open and unlocked and I come home to find someone's gone with my TV... i'm as much to blame than the guy who took it... I should of assumed my responsibilities in first place and lock them...
Secondary... He didn't remove/alter existing data nor cause any damages to the system themselves he copied files and left a signature .txt file...
i mean come on life in prison??? for f*** sakes...
Finally the internet was developed by guys like him... it belongs to geeks, nerds n' hackers... The internet should be the same way it started... A neutral virtual zone... everybody's responsible for the gain/lost they might get when they login...
Originally posted by mr-lizard
Originally posted by tristar
It is very interesting to see how well many are defending him. Is it because he is from the United Kingdom or is it because you all enforce hacking into any network your right as a citizen either foreign or domestic ?
Because the man has extreme social problems that affect his judgement, the man is very naive and his non violent act was born from curiosity not malice.
Originally posted by Badgered1
Were there any NASA personnel reprimanded for leaving their files unsecured?
As for the "leaving your door unlocked" analogy, I don't think it's fair. If you left your door open, and had a sensitive document pinned to the wall and someone used binoculars to see it from way outside your house, you are at fault for leaving the document unsecured. You can't "dole out punishment" as you see fit.
Your front door is only really keeping the honest people honest. If someone wanted to get in, they'd get in.
I'm still not clear on how he caused damage. Was the 'damages' the amount it cost to get a proper firewall? It's actually so very transparently funny that the amount is coincidentally just enough to get the extradition.
If I look at a file on my company's server, I don't damage the system. What damage did he cause?
Oh, right. I see. NASA don't have to tell anyone.
Analysis of the appellant’s home computer confirmed these allegations. During his interviews under caution, moreover, he admitted responsibility (although not that he had actually caused damage)."
The "Great American Plan"? How can that be when the story being reported about him being suicidal was reported by CNN Europe?
"A couple of months behinds bars" ?? Read the news report, it states "McKinnon, currently free on bail in England"
C'mon! Really? You come home to find out that you have been robbed and you're HONESTLY going to stand their and blame yourself for someone else's devious actions? That's just like blaming a woman for being beaten and raped because she wore a short skirt. Please tell me that you are NOT that ignorant!
Where do you get the information that he did not remove or alter data or cause any damage to the systems whatsoever? Because if you will read the FACTS, they found the evidence to prove that he had. He also admitted to it. Yes he denies that he knowingly caused any damage, but that's because he is trying to cover his own ass. He KNEW he did it. He KNEW that he had been caught with the evidence to prove it. But he's going to deny some of his actions in an attempt to further incriminate himself and face even more charges. Since you want to use analogies to dumb down everything, here's one for you. That like someone being arrested while driving a vehicle that they had just stolen and then telling the police 'Yeah I stole the car, but I didn't break that broken window to get in. Huh? Wha? Oh, I must have cut my hand while I was shaving this morning!'
i mean come on life in prison??? for f*** sakes...
Guys like him? You mean the same guy that everyone else is claiming to be too stupid when it comes to computers and hacking? The internet was Not created by "nerds and hackers". The internet was conceived and created by the Defense Department in 1969 by Scientist from Stanford and M.I.T. You want a history lesson on this subject as well?
Everything you said after this was nothing more than hot air and a smoke screen to hide your lack of knowledge of the facts for this particular Topic.
Stop beating the dead horse that is "the evil United States monster" and start doing your OWN research and thinking for yourself, instead of believing everything you see and hear as if it were gospel.