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Originally posted by converge
Originally posted by Visiting ESB
It was criminal to hide these things from us.
Ha, here it is again. The argument that the cover-up is a crime....Perhaps you meant to say the cover-up is immoral?
Originally posted by Malcram
For people who take office and swear oaths to uphold democracy and serve the people who elected them or pay their wages to then lie to the people and hide the truth from them, is criminal.
Originally posted by Malcram
But the word 'crime' has other meanings, just as legitimate, which you seem to be ignoring
Originally posted by Dean Goldberry
Isn't hacking defined as theft or sabotage/damage? If so, the perp, in this case, did neither. All McKinnoin did was walk through an open door and peek in. Not his fault if government dips#*^s couldn't secure their own data properly. I wonder what's REALLY the deal with the far too common (especially in the Fourth Reich, I mean "US") violent hatred of McKinnon - putting him basically on par with a serial killer or rapist. Could it be because Gary actually stumbled upon the TRUTH, that there really IS a secret space program with "non-terrestrial officers" etc.? If so, he truly is a freedom fighter, and not anything even vaguely resembling a terrorist.
Originally posted by StinkyFeet
This guy has pulled out all the stops to get sympathy from people, so he won't have to face his just desserts. He pulls out the sympathy card more than Jessie Jackson and Rev. Al Sharpton pull out the race card.
If he didn't want his butt tossed in prison maybe he shouldn't have been haking our computers. DUH!
Originally posted by converge
Originally posted by Malcram
But the word 'crime' has other meanings, just as legitimate, which you seem to be ignoring
I didn't. That's why I asked him if he meant immoral.
Originally posted by Malcram
It is criminal, by one of the accepted definitions of the word.
The cover up is criminal.
(I also feel it is 'illegal', but that is another issue)
Originally posted by converge
Originally posted by Malcram
It is criminal, by one of the accepted definitions of the word.
And didn't I ask for him to clarify the definition?
Originally posted by adrenochrome
by the way, regarding the topic of this thread, wouldn't it be so convenient if Gary killed himself??...
i don't think he's suicidal at all, but i'll be glad to be proved wrong. i mean, did he say he was suicidal, or did the news say he was? don't most of the people who go against the government end up "killing themselves"? all i know is, is that if he ends up dying, then i'll practically know for sure that it wasn't a suicide based on past experiences with government whistle-blowers.......
[edit on 13-10-2009 by adrenochrome]
Originally posted by Aggie Man
Poor, poor criminal!!! There are too many people in support of this guy. Maybe because he was supposedly hacking for a good cause (in the eyes of his supporters)...the existence of aliens/UFOs.
Originally posted by tristar
So i guess if i or someone else decides to successfully hack your home pc because i believe you may have ufo/alien files you will not have a problem with this, you will not seek to persecute him/her or who ever else is responsible ?
Or is it because its NASA or a government agency that its okay to hack them for the purpose of looking for alien/ufo files.
Originally posted by tristar
So i guess if i or someone else decides to successfully hack your home pc because i believe you may have ufo/alien files you will not have a problem with this, you will not seek to persecute him/her or who ever else is responsible ?
Or is it because its NASA or a government agency that its okay to hack them for the purpose of looking for alien/ufo files.
Just on a side note, all any related documents are classified as National Security. Do you understand. ?
Originally posted by Merriman Weir
Originally posted by tristar
So i guess if i or someone else decides to successfully hack your home pc because i believe you may have ufo/alien files you will not have a problem with this, you will not seek to persecute him/her or who ever else is responsible ?
Or is it because its NASA or a government agency that its okay to hack them for the purpose of looking for alien/ufo files.
Just on a side note, all any related documents are classified as National Security. Do you understand. ?
I'm not sure whether this analogy works. Firstly, how or why would someone have ufo/alien files on their personal computer that would attract intruders in the first place? How would an individual be in that position? How would other people know about this information?
Sorry, whilst I appreciate what you're trying to say, the analogy is just too flimsy to give your point credence.