Originally posted by clandestiny

Man, that was a mouthful wasn’t it? I’ll be back later after taking a break and doing some exercise.

Break for exercise? From what you've said in your story, I would think you would be way too busy saving the world to even make this thread, much less get in some gym time!

So you're saying 2012 is another y2k? Just media enforced fear of something that won't happen? This is no surprise. It is weird though, more and more on t.v. there are shows about Nostradamus, Nights Templar, 2012, Mother Shipton and so many other "conspiracy" themes getting at "the end times". It would be no surprise that the elite are just trying to scare the general public so when the time comes there will be mass hysteria.

Originally posted by StonyJ
CLANDESTINY-

So we're being poisoned, starved AND having our climate manipulated?

All of this is being controlled by descendants of Jesus Christ or the "House of David"?

Is this the gist of your truth so far?

[edit on 10/6/09 by StonyJ]

True descendants of Jesus Christ would not have ever plotted to destroy. Therefore, they ceased to be descendants as soon as the plot was hatched. They are deceivers. They are satanic. It is that simple. You do the research, the illuminati/NWO are worshippers of satan.

It is a little selfish of those members who don't wish to read, to keep adding insult after insult, some of us want to read, simply because it is a welcome break from the same old stuff turning up day after day.

If you think it's BS then go to another thread and let us get on with this one, and stop making yourselves look ignorant.

And this does not mean I am falling for this hook line and sinker either, some of what the OP has said makes sense if you have have taken notice of some of the changes over the past two decades, yes some of us are that old.

As others have said come back in a day or two and see if it's the same.

If this person is speaking any truth, it's obvious there will be those determined to make them stumble, if there is any truth, then somewhere someone is having a cow and wants it stopped, probably starting with the creation of new accounts to add distraction and trying to derail.

Give those of us who are interested the chance to keep reading without boring the crap out of us with stupid and senseless comments.

We get the message you don't like it.

If I am asked a question that the answering of will aid in telling this story, I will do it as fast as I can. What many of you are demanding is impossible to give because of how long it would take to provide. And I am not going to give my name. Besides, how would you know I was telling the truth if I did. So my name would be out there with my not having any cover from the fall out this is going to create while there would be no reason for you to believe that it is really my name. In fact it is so obviously linked to the Templar story that you would think I was lying anyway.

What we did to offset the plan before the winter of 1999 was to force the Clinton administration to flinch on July 26 by prompting a news reporter to ask questions around Washington about MTBE causing the drought. We kept the pressure up until MTBE was quietly taken out of gasoline. The resulted was that the water vapor that had massed over the US settled slowly during summer, which did result in some hurricanes, flooding, and subsequent earthquakes, but not on scale that prompted thinking it was the end of the world. Well, actually it did cause a lot of people to speculate the end was near. But it wasn't close enough to the change in millennium nor violent enough for those beliefs to resonate deeply.

By the time the other teams sleeping forces were rallied so to clamp down on Washington and get MTBE back into gasoline, there wasn't time to pump up the atmosphere with enough water vapor to cause the level of damage needed to act in concert with the Y2K virus to pull of their con job. Meanwhile, my people moved into a position where they could exploit this story using it to begin dismantling the other teams assets. We’ve been at war with them ever since, and they have lost every battle, except 2012 and ethanol. They simply refuse to give up on it at this point so we are going in for the final kill. If this works, exposing this story through ATS, it will save me a lot of time and work. But I have other programs working that will bring about the same result if this stalls or is undermined.

I can beat you.

Mine's so secret, they won't even tell us about it.

Beat that for "rogue."

[edit on 2009/10/6 by Aeons]

Originally posted by clandestiny
MTBE and ethanol can act as fuels, of course. But even in engines designed for gasoline, that have been being engineered for that purpose for over a hundred years, are still only around 20 percent efficient, meaning we waste 80 percent of the potential power in gasoline.

MTBE and ethanol (anhydrous ethanol) need high compression ratios to combust. Most engines these days have low compressions and have never been ported so even gasoline won't burn efficiently in them Gasoline and MTBE/ethanol are called oxygenates and are totally different than gasoline. Its like the difference between diesel and gasoline, you can't just run them in engines they are not designed to run in.

But really oxygenates were designed not to burn so as to cause excessive levels of volatile organic compounds to mix with nitrogen oxides smog causing a photochemical reaction in the suns rays that got rid of the smog while making air quality worse for the environment and our health. This not only helped set the stage for the end run to take over the world but made the same people doing it enough money to cover their plan through selling medical related products and services to all the people their oxygenates program was miking sick, all this while claiming oxygenates are good for air quality because as long as most people don't see pollution, they believe the air they were breathing is safer.

Do chem and con trails have anything to do with oxygenates?

What are the "bad guys" plans for Earth? Every bad person always has good intentions, and I want to know what there plans are.

What is your goal for Earth, if you are the other side, what is your goal, just to destroy them because you disagree?

If you don't have a plan, I WILL make a third team, because I have a plan. If this involves deaths on any side, I will make a third team.


Not that I believe any of this, because I simply don't have any proof.

Okay. I'll cut to the chase and ask point blank what I'd like to know. Is the presence or factual knowledge of extraterrestrials involved in any part of your story?

It is the grey area, but for the life of me i cant understand why this is hitting the front page. Why this is getting replies and more importantly why are you encouraging the OP?

Respects

Clandestiny

While it is interesting, I, like many others am still waiting for this absolute proof of who you are (which you have yet to mention) and that what you speak is the truth (which pardon me but hasn't been Earth shattering....as yet). So, just to clarify you say that you are a descendant of Jesus, is that literal? Or are you a descendant of a templar and by default Jesus? Or were the templars physical descendants of Jesus and then down through your family tree?

Who exactly is this group? Is this a group that we are familiar with, any names?

I look forward to your future post.

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I have what I think are important comments to make on this thread, and I hope people read me with attention:

The OP is mostly right at the archetypal level. With this I mean that his account of elitist conspiracies, which come from beyond the grave in their genesis, being coordinated by bloodlines, with the purpose of bringing the old world aristocratic elite out of the shadows and into the light again while controlling the dumb scared sheep that survive contrived cataclysms made with stolen technology, is mostly accurate at the big picture level. It's mainstream NWO conspiracy theory, and nothing you can't pick up from listening to Alex Jones for a week, or Alan Watt, or Micheal Tsarion, or David Icke or Jim Marrs or a number of other people. It's pretty well postulated by millions of people now, and nothing that normal popular wisdom is not aware of, something a lot of psuedointelectual snobs I've known in my life are not aware of because, being snobs, they don't talk to salt of the earth people. Not talking to salt of the earth people is what makes the NWO types stupid enough to try the dumb stunts they try, because if they did and knew who they were dealing with they would decide that it's better to stay in the shadows after all. But hey, they're lunatics and I'm not going to even try to think like a lunatic to understand him fully.

The above does not mean I believe the OP. In fact I don't really. I think chances are that this is disinfo, psyops, slight of hand and/or memetic manipulation. Just a gut instinct call, but it's just to wishy washy for me to consider seriously. And I'll quote Richard C. Hoagland (who I consider a master bs'er so he should know): The lie is different at every level. We're probably still a few dozen levels short of the endgame boss in my opinion. If I'm wrong I would apologise, it won't be the last time and it's not the first, I'm human.

And now, to not leave with a negative, let me give my take on the real genesis of all this NWO and elitist nonsense, to all this genocide, to all this entropy. This is my final conspiracy theory, it's a coalescence of all that I think makes sense in conspiracy theory and it's my take at revisionist history. I'm giving a very broad approach so do think about what I'm saying and chances are it will start to make sense:

The universe is, at it's core one. Call it God. Call it energy. Call it me. Call it whatever you wan't, you'll always be right. But being one it decided that to experience itself it had to be more than one within one. How and where it came to this conclusion I don't know. Perhaps it was instant, because if there is one there has to be it's opposite, which is many. Thus the universe, which started as a point, manifested a circle, the circle manifested triangles, the triangles manifested platonic solids, and so on. Energy manifested matter.

Over time, space, dimensions, this process continued. Singularity experiencing itself through duality. But duality always tied into singularity. Singularity always present in duality. At the core good and evil are manifestations of the same thing. You can't understand one thing without it's opposite. Even God had to be Devil so he could understand, manifest, him, her or itself.

This makes me accept duality. We will always have good and evil, it will always be a choice what we want to experience.

Phew, a bit of a long type for the short version. But all this to help people understand why I can label something as good or bad. Good is Love and creation. Bad is entropy and destruction. But the sum of them is God. God made a system where good is fueled by evil, evil is defined by good. This is not a neutral universe. It's taoist yin and yang.

Our species has evil among us. We have psychopaths. We have those who, for whatever reason, genetics or a closed heart chakra, I don't know, can't manifest love. Can't create. That can only parasitise and destroy. This is the area of ponerology. The study of the social, economical and political consequences of a psychopathocratic species, of a species that, in the words of Terrence McKenna, is "lead by the least of us". These are a manifestation of the male dominance primate society (helped by the female hierarchy which exists along side it). The maddest monkey ruled the group. And they still do!

Being aware of all of the above is, for all intensive purpose what it means to be "Awake". Being aware of all of the above means that everyone is a part of a whole, a manifestation of the creative force. We can all change our own future. We all have the power. The psychopaths however can't awake, because they, for whatever reason, are broken souls. Or perhaps they are just very young souls. I don't know, I don't pretend to know everything.

I am, however, pretty sure I am everything.

My 5c, take it as far as you can run with it.

Peace and Love folks.

I've read Clandestiny's two posts with an open mind. I don't know yet whether I'm leaning toward belief or disbelief, but one detail he mentioned got me thinking: the MBTE additive in the fuel to alter natural weather patterns.

A handful of years ago I was living in the Northeast (U.S.) and I'd noticed how a number of storms would pass through my area, pouring down brief, intense rainshowers right around the start of rush hour traffic--4 to 4:30pm. They were like mini-monsoons. Haven't noticed that pattern to be as prevalent lately. But at the time, I made a comment to a colleague that I wondered if emissions from rush-hour traffic was triggering to a sudden and heavy release in precipitation.

I think Clandestiny said the MBTE made water stay up in the atmosphere so I wouldn't think there's a connection to what I observed. Not sure if ethanol is linked with any such effect. But his account made me think back on it.