Hmm... How fascinating. I had a feeling that that was how they were controlling the weather outside of Cloud Seeding with Chem Trails. I remember it so vividly as I stared at my exhaust fumes coming out of my car and I was frozen with fear a long time ago.

[edit on 6-10-2009 by Thiaoouba Prophecy]

Originally posted by clandestiny

Hydrous ethanol can and is actually a useful fuel that can be produced at a competitive price. But it doesn't cause the harmful emissions, much of which are needed to keep the quality of air we breath toxic so the house of cards the economy is built on using its favored source of free money (I call the bloodlines "the people that love free money"), sales of medical related products and services, health insurance, the whole shebang.

Ethanol is not as toxic as MTBE. Well, with either one, the longer we are exposed to it, the more sensitive we become. MTBE had been making them a lot of money for a long time. They got in way over their heads with debts that were based on future projections that it would keep making people sick. Really though, most of the people making the money from MTBE making people sick had no idea what MTBE was. But they are all fighting like hell now to keep ethanol on the market, which it making less people sick but still doing it.

They want to get back to using 15% oxygenates like they did with MTBE so they can get their plan back on course and get paid in the way they are accustomed to, which, well,,, really they made a killing off the economy collapsing. But if they don’t win this game, they won’t get to keep it. And they won’t be living very happy lives with the rest of the human race knowing what they did.

What keeps TPTB from becoming sick themselves since they breathe the same air that we do? Would they wantonly and knowingly make themselves and their families sick too?

5 posts from the OP and no links, video, picture, name dropping, GPS coordinates, or anything else has been posted to give this revelation MAXIMUM EXPOSURE, which is claimed to be paramount for the destruction of the 'evil plan'...

People are highly skeptical and rightly so... regardless of it being posted in the "Grey Area"...

Clandestiny, with all due respect, before you post anything else about your story, could you please scratch your head and try to think of anything tangible that you can post that doesn't compromise your team or your strategy, but will have even the most skeptical naysayers jaw drop to the floor?

If you do that, you basically have the majority of the members of ATS's attention, as well as god knows how many visitors. The exposure would be massive, and from your previous posts, that seems to have been your initial desire.

After that, you can take as long as you want, and I'm sure ATS staff will create a banner with a shortcut to this important story.

Failure to do so requires a REALLY good excuse, since we're here to deny ignorance.

Perhaps you're preparing your next post or posted it before you read this, so I'll give you an extra post just in case, before I walk out on this thread. Sorry if this seems harsh, but given your knowledge, I'm certain you'll understand.

I think he should be held to the same standard as ATS folks who claim to be disgruntled Area 51 whistleblowers.

Contact SO and transmit a confidential copy of your Illuminati RealID or other documentation and establish credibility, or just hang out in the nebulous 'gray area' where no one will read or believe your message.

I am quite sure there are others on ATS who are watching very carefully to see what direction you go with this.

For my own satisfaction I only have one question - where do you live? This will settle things for me anyway.

This guy obviously just wants attention. If you really have an ounce of truth, why all the pauses? Dont wait for us to ask you a question, you started the thread! This is nothing more than an ethanol gasoline yada yada yada conspiracy theory. A weak one at that. I mean its like trying to asphyxiate an roach when you could just step on it. Just admit it- you sit in a cubicle all day, and when you get home you eat peanut butter with a spoon. Nothing special about you aside from your level of boredom.

Originally posted by Phlynx

Originally posted by clandestiny
MTBE and ethanol can act as fuels, of course. But even in engines designed for gasoline, that have been being engineered for that purpose for over a hundred years, are still only around 20 percent efficient, meaning we waste 80 percent of the potential power in gasoline.

MTBE and ethanol (anhydrous ethanol) need high compression ratios to combust. Most engines these days have low compressions and have never been ported so even gasoline won't burn efficiently in them Gasoline and MTBE/ethanol are called oxygenates and are totally different than gasoline. Its like the difference between diesel and gasoline, you can't just run them in engines they are not designed to run in.

But really oxygenates were designed not to burn so as to cause excessive levels of volatile organic compounds to mix with nitrogen oxides smog causing a photochemical reaction in the suns rays that got rid of the smog while making air quality worse for the environment and our health. This not only helped set the stage for the end run to take over the world but made the same people doing it enough money to cover their plan through selling medical related products and services to all the people their oxygenates program was miking sick, all this while claiming oxygenates are good for air quality because as long as most people don't see pollution, they believe the air they were breathing is safer.

Do chem and con trails have anything to do with oxygenates?

What are the "bad guys" plans for Earth? Every bad person always has good intentions, and I want to know what there plans are.

What is your goal for Earth, if you are the other side, what is your goal, just to destroy them because you disagree?

If you don't have a plan, I WILL make a third team, because I have a plan. If this involves deaths on any side, I will make a third team.




Not that I believe any of this, because I simply don't have any proof.

I still want an answer

Originally posted by Freenrgy2

Originally posted by clandestiny
Mother Nature would have to join God in punishing us because some young couple ate an apple at the beginning of time or we wouldn’t have believed the apocalypse was heaven sent.

As far as the above quote, I have a problem with it. We don't know what the fruit is. It has always been assumed to be an apple, but that isn't what is written in the Word. And, I figure a decendent of Jesus Christ would know this.

Freenrgy,
"The fruit of the tree" whereas, the 'tree' referred to a Family Tree.
Cain was not the son of Adam and Eve. He is not even listed in Adam's genealogy in the scriptures. Cain was the Serpent Seed. There is much more I could tell you but I do not want to take this thread off topic.

And just because I may understand a scriptural truth does not mean I am a descendant of Jesus. I am just a humble one who tries to follow his lead.

I read the runestone thread and I must say I was a little impressed with your logic, and your wit (with a quite sharp tongue). I then read the comments on this thread, and your replies in turn, and while you still haven't provided real proof, very few real questions in response to your story seemed to matter. Some great responses by the way, and too many to quote. I look forward to you future posts, and would like to have a real conversation with some of my questions.

Originally posted by clandestiny
Rain in drought regions, or desert, is a trigger to causing plate movement.

The dollar started sinking to where it is now in the spring of 2006 just as the switch to ethanol was being made. Also the price of oil was being falsely inflated through oil futures speculating at the same time because anhydrous ethanol can't compete against cheap oil.

Hydrous ethanol can and is actually a useful fuel that can be produced at a competitive price. But it doesn't cause the harmful emissions, much of which are needed to keep the quality of air we breath toxic so the house of cards the economy is built on using its favored source of free money (I call the bloodlines "the people that love free money"), sales of medical related products and services, health insurance, the whole shebang.

What Obama is trying to do now is prepare the medical system for a collapse when our air quality is restored to normal and we go back to our old rates of illness, well,, really much lesser rates. In order to keep the system afloat until it adjusts, the government will have to be able to pay for it while it will need as many patients as possible to try and keep our medical personal trained. So he wants to make sure people who can’t afford it can still get treatment. We are being poisoned from many direction but not enough to keep the medical bubble from busting, nor the financial community that relies on it from caving in.

Ethanol is not as toxic as MTBE. Well, with either one, the longer we are exposed to it, the more sensitive we become. MTBE had been making them a lot of money for a long time. They got in way over their heads with debts that were based on future projections that it would keep making people sick. Really though, most of the people making the money from MTBE making people sick had no idea what MTBE was. But they are all fighting like hell now to keep ethanol on the market, which it making less people sick but still doing it.

They want to get back to using 15% oxygenates like they did with MTBE so they can get their plan back on course and get paid in the way they are accustomed to, which, well,,, really they made a killing off the economy collapsing. But if they don’t win this game, they won’t get to keep it. And they won’t be living very happy lives with the rest of the human race knowing what they did.

Ethanol is not viable solution to fossil fuels, and never will be. The whole push for ethanol was a terrible mistake and served no other purpose than to drive up the price of corn, and in turn inflate everything. There is a corn lobby here in America and it was their push of this crappy fuel that caused the push for ethanol. The oil futures went up the way they did because it was obvious at that time oil was the best investment on Earth. It was going no were but up, up, up. The MSM reported even the slightest increases like religion. I imagine interested parties were sponsoring this drive for no other reason than to cash in. Given, Bush could have opened the reserves and stopped the price increases In their track, but his whole philosophy was to pump the economy with wealth even if it was based on trash worthless futures.

Some facts about Ethanol

The average U.S. automobile, traveling 10,000 miles a year on pure ethanol (not a gasoline-ethanol mix) would need about 852 gallons of the corn-based fuel. This would take 11 acres to grow, based on net ethanol production. This is the same amount of cropland required to feed seven Americans.

If all the automobiles in the United States were fueled with 100 percent ethanol, a total of about 97 percent of U.S. land area would be needed to grow the corn feedstock. Corn would cover nearly the total land area of the United States.

One gallon of ethanol has an energy value of only 77,000 BTUS. Thus, 70 percent more energy is required to produce ethanol than the energy that actually is in it. Every time you make one gallon of ethanol, there is a net energy loss of 54,000 BTUs.


Ethanol just adds to our burden and dependance on oil. The only reason anyone would sugest it as an alternative fuel or additive is for special interest gains. E.G. The Corn Lobby!

[edit on 6-10-2009 by Donkey_Dean]

I read all his posts and the information is speculative and generic.

Of course this leads to more doubts, so I suppose I should ask more questions:

1) When and what did Saudi Arabia do that had a major impact on the US and world economy in the last half of 2008?

2) Who caused the failure of Iceland's economy a year ago?

3) What SPECIFICALLY is planned for October 25?


It will be interesting to see which path you take. If you truly 'went rogue' then your evidence needs to be compelling.