Harder To Believe In - God or Aliens?

Here is some overwhelming proof if you really need it... Although, this proof isn't in the physical form, but just listen to me before you judge.

To start my senior year of high school i had never had a girlfriend, and i wasn't really able to talk to girls without getting all choked up, and not knowing what to say. My parents were putting tons of stress on me to go to prom and my friends were as well. Finally, when i lost all hope after i had my heartbroken at winter break by a girl i decided to turn to God, not really believing in him or anything, i prayed and prayed for just the ability to get the courage to talk to girls.... i prayed and prayed, and it wasn't coming, then i prayed for a girlfriend, as desperate as this sounds. Then on i met a girl at my work, hung out with her, then asked her out on May 4th... she said yes. May 17th was my prom. If you don't think it is wierd as hell that i get a girlfriend only 13 days before prom, then maybe you can appreciate this... about 4 months later we started going to church with her relatives, and i found God. God said to me i will give you this if you can give me your faith... and i have only gained incredible strength in my faith since then, if that isn't proof, then i don't know what is. Like you guys say, Think outside the box.

Well, the god in the bible is an alien and the other god in the bible is a fictional made up figure designed to be a part of a fear/guilt based mind-prison religion that has enslaved billions of people.

Anyway Anu's son Enki created humans way back when by fusing the genes of homo erectus with anunaki creating Men, beasts of burden to mine gold for them. blah blah you can find the story here www.abovetopsecret.com...

heres the answer to the topic question: which is harder to believe in, god or aliens?

the answer? easy! GOD is harder to believe in, because aliens never promised you anything

I am a Christian, which most of you can probably guess means that I believe in God and in Jesus Christ. Personally, I also believe, or at least want to believe, in the possibility of life on other planets. Okay, I don't know how logical this will sound, but give me a chance here. What proof have we of extraterrestrial life? We have the experiences of a few witnesses and self-proclaimed abductees (don't worry, I'm not saying I don't believe some of them; I'm just stating that we don't have any solid evidence either way). What proof do we have of God's existence? We have the Bible, the written accounts of eyewitnesses, and the word of believers. I can give doubters no solid proof. I can't say "here is a picture of God" or "here is a box with a piece of God in it" I can only tell you of my own experience. I have felt God in my life many times in a way that transcends mere self confidence or my own knowledge. I have, on more than one occasion, seen small demonstrations of God's power against some very dark opponents. I don't know how many of you believe in the reality of Evil. I suppose there are some among you who would suppose that any malevolent force must be alien in nature...but if that is true, why do they fear the name of God so? CommonSense, don't give up your search. You've asked a very important question; I've found my answer, but perhaps you will inspire others to begin their own quest for truth. I wish you the best of luck, and of course, Godspeed.

Ok why in the would have people started on this topic agen 24 pages of people argueing so lest's all agree to disagree and leave it at that.

Com'on people think of somthing new in this forum to talk about.

Originally posted by StrangeLands
Mr. Ronald Pearson BSc (Hons) - though I'm sure he's a very nice man - is clearly a nut. Invoking a mysterious, magical "ether" - for which there is no proof whatsoever - and polysyllable buzzwords is a neat marketing trick for a number of dodgy books, but it's nothing more. His work hasn't been "suppressed", it's been rightfully dismissed as bunk.

So you say he's a nutcase, but he has his books there online so that everyone can
read them for free. So there are a lot of other nutcases who have theories on the aether then. They're all wacko!!! And why are we 1000% sure that scientists were 100% that the aether theory does not exist? They can never be 100% right, only 99%. Not even Einstein was sure that he was right.

Even Maxwell himself, whose experiments scientists have said to debunk the aether theory (before MMX), never stopped believing in the aether.

www.hallym.ac.kr...

Start unscrewing your lightbulbs, because Edison was a nutcase too according to scientists of the late 20th century.

And just as a footnote, I don't know where in the world you are, but are you familiar with the impressive-sounding Bsc (Hons) Mr Pearson adds to his name? It means he took a four-year honours degree course at any university in Britain - not exactly Hawking material.

Like I said, start unscrewing your lightbulbs, because Edison was clearly a nut without a formal education or title. And stop flying in airplanes, because the Wright brothers were only bicycle makers without a title or formal education. They were nutcases too!!!

And finally, how exactly do you know that physical matter can't exist without a conscious observer? Are you, perhaps, talking about the idea that quantum probability waves collapse only when observed - the ultimate conclusion of the Schroedinger's Cat experiment? If you are, then you should probably realise that this theory doesn't mean that matter doesn't exist, it just means that it's state is undecided until it is observed.

Do the quantum probability waves exist as particles before they collapse? That is the question. Are they physical? Amit Goswami is one of the scientists who came to the conclusion it's the consciousness that determines if the quantum probability wave collapses into a physical particle or not. But he's a nutcase also of course, just like Edison, the Wright brothers and others...

And fyi: that theory, like all the others, hasn't been proved.

Here's an experiment about it.
a1162.fmg.uva.nl...

btw, I just won some money to fix my car from a celllular phone company's father's day campaign, after doing a week of huna. Everytime I've done huna to get something, I got it.

EDIT: Here is the mehtod
www.angelfire.com...

[edit on 24-6-2004 by TheBandit795]

Originally posted by TheBandit795
So you say he's a nutcase, but he has his books there online so that everyone can read them for free.

Hang on, are you suggesting that everything that's free on the net is true? Or is the idea that, since he's giving away his books, he's not "in it for the money"?

Like I said, start unscrewing your lightbulbs, because Edison was clearly a nut without a formal education or title. And stop flying in airplanes, because the Wright brothers were only bicycle makers without a title or formal education. They were nutcases too!!!

No, they were visionary inventors. They took barely-understood principles and applied them to the real world, thereby creating marvellous technologies. What they did not do, however, was revolutionise our understanding of the fundamentals of physics and the nature of reality.

Do the quantum probability waves exist as particles before they collapse? That is the question. Are they physical? Amit Goswami is one of the scientists who came to the conclusion it's the consciousness that determines if the quantum probability wave collapses into a physical particle or not.

I didn't say the theory you refer to was untrue, just that it was untested. What you have here, Bandit, is speculation � interesting speculation, I dare say, and speculation with potential � but it�s not evidence.

As a footnote, for those of you who're interested in quantum probability waves but aren't into science journals, I heartily recommend Greg Egan's novels Permutation City and Quarantine. Gripping, thought-provoking, and stuffed with rock-hard science presented in an accessible way.

Here's an experiment about it.
a1162.fmg.uva.nl...

Away from the debate for a moment, thanks for that link � truly fascinating stuff.

My point was, and remains, that supposition and wishful thinking are not proof. Mr. Pearson�s theories remain untested and unproved, and, as such, do nothing to add to the �evidence� for God.

Originally posted by StrangeLands
Hang on, are you suggesting that everything that's free on the net is true? Or is the idea that, since he's giving away his books, he's not "in it for the money"?

Of course I'm not saying that everything that is free on the net is true. And that he has them free on, IMO shows that's he's just trying to get his work out.

No, they were visionary inventors. They took barely-understood principles and applied them to the real world, thereby creating marvellous technologies. What they did not do, however, was revolutionise our understanding of the fundamentals of physics and the nature of reality.

The Wright brothers did do so, scientists at that time thought it was impossible to have man powered flight, and the establishment refused to accept the fact that it was possible up to five years after the brothers mad their first flight. Who's to say that 100 years from now, nobody sees Pearson as a visionary? Maybe, maybe not.

I didn't say the theory you refer to was untrue, just that it was untested. What you have here, Bandit, is speculation � interesting speculation, I dare say, and speculation with potential � but it�s not evidence.

Just read that article I posted last.

My point was, and remains, that supposition and wishful thinking are not proof. Mr. Pearson�s theories remain untested and unproved, and, as such, do nothing to add to the �evidence� for God.

Then let them test his theories and try to prove or disprove them, instead of refusing to even consider them and attempting to censor them. I think this could be one of the biggest conspiracy of them all, if the scientific establishment is hiding or unfairly dismissing new theories that sound extraordinary. Not to mention the power, and reputation that pseudo skeptics like those of CSICOP have in the establishment.

Originally posted by TheBandit795
Then let them test his theories and try to prove or disprove them, instead of refusing to even consider them and attempting to censor them. I think this could be one of the biggest conspiracy of them all, if the scientific establishment is hiding or unfairly dismissing new theories that sound extraordinary.

Well, I'm flattered you think I have the power to dictate what the scientific community tests.

I take your point, and I agree that these theories are interesting and demand further investigation. But that does not make the theory proof. Some of the great scientific minds in history have been ridiculed and dismissed by their contemporaries, but that doesn't mean that anyone who is ridiculed is a great scientific mind.

To my mind, Pearson made two fundamental errors: he started with a conclusion and then "discovered" the laws of physics that would make him right, and he builds an elaborate untested theory on top of other elaborate untested theories.

And finally, a brief word on conspiracies. You claim that the "scientific establishment" - if such a thing exists - is "hiding or unfairly dismissing" these theories. All I ask, is "why?"

Why would they? Who benefits from keeping this "information" secret? Who profits from the deception? Who, in these days of bleeding-edge development and radical reappraisals of the fundamental components of the universe, would wish to see the "truth" discredited? Who would "the ether" hurt?

A good rule of thumb: if no-one profits, there's no conspiracy.

While we would always want to seek definitive proof of the existence of God, or for that matter - anything, I don't think that wee will ever have that in this life. I believe that's why it's called faith. Yes, I have all the evidence I need to know that God exists. Those who don't believe in God would surely challenge my conclusion. And to them I would simply ask for their proofs that God does not exist.

The original question of the thread was why some people find it easier to believe in aliens as the source of life rather than God. It's been a very interesting thread which continues to bring new thoughts to the topic. to all who continue the discussion.

It's not about profits, or who profits at all. It's about willing to let go of beliefs and current scientific knowledge if it's wrong and being open to the possibility that it could be wrong. Einstein, like I said was actually questioning whether he and the whole scientific community were really right or wrong about everything. But he was one of the very rare ones who was questioning science...

I posted this once already.. Very interesting read...

By the end of the 19th century, physics professors were so confident in the highly accurate results of Newtonian physics that they began to discourage their best students from pursuing careers in physics because most of the difficult problems had already been solved. Most of the rest of physics was expected to be little more than a �mopping up� operation � adding a few more decimal places to the known physical constants and resolving a few minor questions about puzzles known as the �ultraviolet catastrophe� and the �photoelectric effect.�

A year before the Wright brothers flew their airplane at Kitty Hawk, Rear-Admiral George Melville, chief engineer of the US Navy, declared that attempting to fly a heavier-than-air aircraft was simply �absurd.� A few weeks before the airplane flew, Simon Newcomb, a distinguished professor of mathematics and astronomy at Johns Hopkins University, stated that heavier than air powered human flight was, in scientific terms, �utterly impossible.� According to Newcomb, any form of powered flight would require the discovery of an entirely new force. With such eminence behind these statements, the mainstream media of the day meekly followed the lead of the authorities, and sneered at the ridiculous notion of powered flight.

To add injury to insult, more than two years after the Wright brothers had first flown their aircraft, and in spite of the fact that dozens of eyewitnesses had actually seen them fly, the popular Scientific American magazine continued to ridicule the �alleged� flights. An editorial in the magazine explained why:

By 1980, quantum mechanics theory was considered so outstandingly successful that the chairman of the physics department at Harvard University proudly stated that every important discovery in physics had already been made. As a result, physics professors began to discourage their students from pursuing careers in physics because all that was left was a minor mopping-up operation. Meanwhile, anomalous bits of evidence emerging from numerous disciplines suggested that a more profound level of understanding �unified theories offering a synthesis of many disciplines � was on the horizon.

The existence of God is proven in the fact that there is no such a thing as Chaos (all things contain information/some kind of pattern), and also in the existence of Quantum Non-Locality (the fact that all events are actually occuring simultaneously and non-locally in Hyperspace).

Therefore, all things are part of a seamless whole which is intelligent in nature--containing order and patterns. It is pretty damn stupid to suggest otherwise.

Atheists simply don't know what they're talking about. Christians are just as bad, believing in a religious view of God when in reality God is just the pure, infinite, neutral energy/intelligence which includes all existence.

Because God is an ocean of infinite energy accessible by anyone, yes, God will 'answer your prayers' and you can also draw upon God to manifest objects or events in physical reality.

However, religion is total mind-control and disinformation, and is obviously far too narrow in perspective and made-up to speak about the One True God.

if God is this matter that is space, why would jesus christ exist, and then proceed to RISE FROM THE DEAD IN HIS PHYSICAL BODY!? I thought we turned into ether.... if you have doubts about Jesus Christ, just do some research on the shroud of Turin... all will be answered.

Originally posted by Ryanp5555
if God is this matter that is space, why would jesus christ exist, and then proceed to RISE FROM THE DEAD IN HIS PHYSICAL BODY!? I thought we turned into ether.... if you have doubts about Jesus Christ, just do some research on the shroud of Turin... all will be answered.

God is not matter or space, but these are constructs (thoughts) in the Mind of God, like everything else in existence, including you and me--everything, period.

Jesus did not 'rise from the dead' as is believed by mainstream religion. His real name was Jmmanuel (Emmanuel) and he survived the crucifixion, fleeing to India, where his grave can still be seen at Srinigar in Kashmir.

Jesus did not promote religion, but rather, promoted a philosophy of individualism.

As a word of warning to everyone, there is a staged second coming planned in which a false "Jesus" will be promoted as the real thing--"our saviour resurrected".

This is all mind-control. No matter what they do to "confirm" that this man is really Jesus, do not believe it.

It is a lie designed to enslave you.

Originally posted by Ryanp5555
the shroud of Turin

The Shroud of Turin is probably authentic, but it will probably be used as a mechanism to promote the lie that the staged "Christ" figure is really Jesus.

They will compare a DNA sample from the Shroud or some other such relic, and claim that this DNA sample proves that Jesus really has returned.

You wouldn't believe how much money the United Nations has put into creating this insane and horrrendous mind-control stunt, but they actually want to do it.

People, God is NOT an Alien, nor is religion correct, and Atheism dismisses itself for Christ's sake!

But seriously, in terms of the idea that God is an alien, that is about the stupidest thing I have heard since "God made Adam from dust".

God is the totality of all things--a neutral and infinite energy which provably does exist.

It is as simple as that. It is the origin of everything--and exists without time or space limitations in its perfected (true) state.

We are all thoughts in the Mind of God.

Aliens did seed current life on this planet, and nearly every imaginable event has occured somewhere, in some universe/reality, but it is totally incorrect to classify the aliens that were involved in the manipulation of life on this planet as "God".

God personified period is a pretty stupid idea.

And Catholics. Please. Why are there so many of you? It never made any sense to me. Doesn't anyone have the brains to figure out that the Vatican is a mafia and that the whole religion is a sham?

You don't need to talk to some man in a frock to communicate with God.'

Psht.

Daelume... please explain to me the one unexplainable fact. Where your guy who says this has his only phalacy as i can see it...

WHY WAS JESUS CHRIST ABLE TO RISE FROM THE DEAD IN HIS PHYSICAL BODY?!?