Don't call me a racist until you read the whole OP

Blacks, have a high dominance in sports because CULTURALLY they have been allowed and led to use Sports as a method of rising up in this society and gaining respect.

Blacks are seen as tough because they have had to fight more and been in prison more often because society has picked on them.

There is actually ZERO truth to physical superiority.

There is Zero truth to being less intelligent beyond the cultural and social patterns both engaged in and thrust upon them.

Go look to an American prison for proof of physical superiority by race, take the cream of the violent crop lol, La Raza the Aryan Nation and Black Americans and you will observe a very tenuous barely maintained equality

If one race was superior somehow physically or mentally the others would be DOOMED

By records and numbers the Tallest and strongest in the world seem to be The Northern European Russians, not Africans nor African Americans.

There is no incentive for most White American kids to go get hit in the head in a boxing ring lol

Basic premise... not offensive, but hardly correct

I would agree there is some factor from slavery yes...but 95% cultural, we are all 99.9% the same...

We have the lowest genetic deviance of almost any mammal... there is no mythical bred superior race.

There is MTV, Sports, The Media and Porn... selling African Americans as a product, White people LOVE to watch those crazy Negros be wild.... lol, but that in the end is a contrived presentation of stereotypes, nothing more...

The premise is simply not real

Originally posted by LestatG
advance to help us excel.

I think the OP raises a strong point and it should not be dismissed so readily. I remember a scientist, forgive me I have forgotten who but im sure someone here will know, conducted a study that resulted in him concluding that black people could not be more intelligent than white people due to the genetic make up. Whether this was accepted or not im not sure, I do know that it was very controversial though.

What I think we should take from this is that we all have our strengths and weaknesses and when we start to learn to embrace them rather than shun them then humanity will take great leaps forward.

Peace

I think you might be talking about Charles Darwin, and I'm not sure you got the right information about that either. He does make what can be called racist remarks many times in his book origins however people have to keep in mind this is someone speaking as a,, well, I can't really say he was a scientist because he wasn't, he wanted to be though and is why he paid for his trip on the HMS beagle to do his research. Many people claim he was the Beagles natuarist or scientist but that is a lie and the only degree darwin had was in theology.

Reading some of his personal letters that were later published, it is clear he was totally against slavery. But someone a distant cousin of his or something said Darwin was against all animals held in captivity as beasts of burden and felt slaves should be set free to live in their own habitat.

Now THAT wouldn't only make him a racist but would make him a colossal idiot. I have a tendency to lean towards the latter but could never find any credible data corroborating that story. Their were some more about his death bed admission and lots of urban legends etc.

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Now THAT is racist lol. They didn't have the sports culture first guy, they got recruited into sports NOT because THEY could rise to the top or wht have you, but because they could make a lot of money for rich white fat cats who exploited this innate ability. Saying their is no incentive for a white kid to get hit in the head?

Hell NO but their isn't for Black kids either then is there?

Why? is that do you suppose?

Most of what you said sounds like you got it out of a fortune cookie and the rest is, well Ill let petchy tell ya. at least this time she might be right

reply to post by EyesWideShut


Erm ? the human race is ONE species.... I pointed out the fact that some of us HAVE other "benefits".. or did you not read ANY of my posts?

The OP makes a valid point and it has NOTHING to do with SKIN colour but EVERYTHING to do with ones ENVIRONMENT, that would CHANGE the person / genetics..

get a clue please be for you smart me .. or at least read what it is i SAY

Having been to West Africa on business on two occasions and having met many Africans living and working the UK, I can say that the majority of those guys are in good physical shape, probably more so than your average European male. They tend to be pretty tall and muscular - obviously there are exceptions. Also there are differences depending on where you go in Africa. Somebody from le Cote d'Ivoire in the West will look different to somebody from Ethiopia in the East, who in turn will look different to somebody from Tunisia in the North. Remember that Africa is a huge continent and there are many cultural and genetic differences throughout the continent. In my experience I would say that West Africans tend to be the most physically imposing people on the continent, followed by Central Africans - I hate making generalisations but I think that's about right. Incidentally, I would guess that the majority of slaves were taken from West Africa. As has been mentioned, East Africans (from Kenya and Ethiopia in particular) clearly tend to make the best long distance runners.

Why all this is the case is up for debate but I can guarentee you that it has nothing to do with slavery. I say this because, as I explained, I have met many born and raised Africans (whose ancestors were not taken to the Americas as slaves) who are just as physically impressive as many African-Americans. And if the Africans were exposed to the kind of facilities, coaches, training techniques, diet etc that African-American sportsmen grow up with in the States, no doubt that the Africans (and I mean born and raised Africans) could dominate the NFL, NBA etc.

Most Africans don't care for US sports though, the main sporting passion in Africa is football/soccer. This sport is seen by millions in Africa as a gateway out of poverty. There are many, many professional African footballers playing all over the world, many at the top level, such as Didier Drogba (Cote d'Ivoire) and Michael Essien (Ghana) who are widely considered as two of the best players in the world. Interestingly, traditionally the best African teams tend to come from the West, such as Cote d'Ivoire, Cameroon, Nigeria and Ghana. Cote d'Ivoire are even being talked about as an outside bet to win the World Cup, hosted in South Africa next year. Of course there are many African sportsmen from across the continent performing at the highest level of their chosen sport.

Maybe there is something in the water in West Africa but the fact, as I have illustrated above, that there are MANY successful sportsmen/athletes and MANY physically fit Africans, whose ancestors were not enslaved, proves, in my opinion, that slavery is a red herring when you are trying to figure out why African-Americans dominate US sport. Many American's seem to be ignorant about Africa, maybe you should take a trip to West Africa, could be an eye-opener for you and I bet you have a good time.

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He did not sound racist at all to me and you seem to have overreacted to what he said. he meant that they may have benefitted in the physical sense, IF his theory was accurate. He states that he may be wrong and was bringing it up for discussion. I hate it when people think you are more racist because you say you have black friends. Do you seriously think he was lying about having friends of many ethnicities? Wow.

I'm multiracial (not black tho) and in no way do I find your post offensive. Good work here not to underscored by ignorant speed readers.
The problems arise when race is brought into a conversation- it's quickly becoming the fourth amongst taboo conversation pieces. The others being religion, sex, and politics.
Of course if a black guy cracks a white joke we're all expected to just laugh it off as good fun. Don't be deceived, us "colored folk" can be some of the most racist people on the planet.
Race is a sensitive issue that, rather than being shoved into the closet never to be discussed, needs to be confronted. Racism will never disappear until we fully understand the differences in our genetic blueprints. Only then will we see the similarities.
Great post, OP thanks for having some balls and not being a sheep.


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reply to post by MysterE
My opinion is your argument is flawed, if it were true then we would see this phenomenon mostly in the Americas, yet we see it all over the world.

Secondly, if ANYONE calls you "racist" you may want to point out that there were over 3,000 BLACK slave owners in the south.

Slavery was an ugly sin, and all races are to blame for it.

I may be digressing a bit here, but a widely held hypothesis as to why African Americans have a high percentage of hypertension is the result of the slave trade and trans-Atlantic voyage.

This is called the Slavery Hypertension Hypothesis. The African slaves that were able to retain sodium, hence better water retention, were best able to survive the Atlantic crossing as compared to those who do not. This was declared as the the salt retention gene. While it served to ensure survival during the long hard journey, it proves to be a disadvantage to descendants in modern America's high junk food sodium environment.

Although this hypothesis has popular professional support, there has been some growing skepticism to this supposition. Besides, even Oprah believes in it, as I first heard it on her program.

As one poster pointed out the OP is not talking about colour here.. its about the genetics about a given person

let me say again PERSON this is not about "race" because there are no DIFFERENT RACES of people.. its a label and a description !!

what the OP is trying to point out is could the slave trade IE taking someone from an environment CHANGE someones genetics regarding the place they have been taken ?

I would have to agree .. after the study on flies one can put this into a context based on genes not "race"

It will only take ONE generation to CHANGE your genes.. Why? well as another poster pointed out BREEDING

A slave was a COMMODITY ! regardless of "race"

and if a person who lives 1000 meters ABOVE see level "just like footballers"

you need to adjust to this NEW environment and would BE in the blueprint of ones own genetic make up...

So the OP does in fact make a valid point to me and others and for people who say the OP is being racist are stupid and did not understand the meaning of this thread, and for people who feel offended do not understand the difference between RACE and EVOLUTION and SPECIES...

why do you have so many kinds of frog? a frog has just been found with FANGS ?

but its still a frog?

People and "other things" aka the frog .. Adapt to the environment they happen to be in..

If you are USE to one environment and taken to another you would automatically adapt to it? It may not be apparent but the outcome would be the same..

So NOT all black Americans have this "gene mutation" but SOME may have it

This is the point and i think its is still a valid point and logical

leave out RACE leave out SKIN colour and think about WILD LIFE .. and the very NATURE of it as a whole

we are no differnt from a FROG or the FRUIT FLY are we? or are we special?

seems silly to think otherwise if one looks at the argument logically

You're not a racist. You are a drunk guy speculating on an area of science that you obviously have no training in and posting said speculation on the internet.

Concerning your speculations, if they weren't so cliché racist sounding they would be laughable.

Archive this OP to the "drunk ramblings of ignorance" file.


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Originally posted by MysterE
reply to post by john124

 

I also believe that is due to evolution. For instance, why is it that marathon, and runing events are often won by someone for kenya? Because their ancestors did not have cars, or trains to ride. They ran. literally, long distances to get from one place to another.

-E-

Maybe running is just more important in Kenya and they just train harder then other countries.

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Nonsensical argument.

second line.

Originally posted by harrytuttle
You're not a racist. You are a drunk guy speculating on an area of science that you obviously have no training in and posting said speculation on the internet.

Concerning your speculations, if they weren't so cliché racist sounding they would be laughable.

Archive this OP to the "drunk ramblings of ignorance" file.

Did I really speculate... on ATS... call the Mods.

Great addition to the "theory. It's great how you attrubute it to "drunk rambling ignorance" without any counter arguement.

-E-

If there was any truth to African descended people being better at sports the NHL would be full of black guys.

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It is full of black guys .. but the point is not the colour of the skin is it?

or IS IT to you?

this is the point is it not the fact that the poster has raised an issue many find some what RETARDED. that a PERSON regardless of colour can in fact be changed via methods one only sees as BLACK AND WHITE?

i find your logic amazingly ILLOGICAL

more so when the OP was point out GENETICS and NOTHING to do WITH COLOUR

it is YOU who is putting emphasis on the COLOUR hence why you used the world BLACK

get me? white dude ; ) "see how easy it is?" ...

really some people are so ..... its mind blowing

Originally posted by MysterE
So, what do you think, has slavery actually benefited todays African American in a way?

Much in the same way that a small girl being raped might "benefit" her with strength of character and emotional fortitude as an adult.

I'm not ready to say, "Yeah, rape" or "Yeah slavery" just yet.

Seriously, though, evolution doesn't take place in a generation or two or 10. So, I'm not sure how accurate your theory is. I won't however suggest that you're racist for thinking about it.

Originally posted by Petchy29
Funny thing is I never called you an idiot, unless you're confusing your post with mine

Originally posted by MysterE
reply to post by Petchy29

 

You missed the point way beyond what I would image, so I will add this disclaimer for idiots like you.

-E-

I dont think I missed your point at all. I think you just dont realise how offensive your thread is , which is fine since you opened up a discussion about it. Slavery was a whole lot more than just working against your will so when you asked if it benefited African Americans today(and you did) don't be surprised if some people are outraged.

You might want to get better sources than wiki and keep an open mind to opposing views instead of getting defense.

Should we avoid a subject with factual backing because it might offend someone? Should we tiptoe around the truth of the world, to avoid someone taking it ot of context and getting their feelings hurt?

Truth can be ugly. Thats the truth.

I think if we talking about sportsmen and athletes then it should be mentioned that these people train daily for many hours. Everyone when talking about Kenya and running you should remember when the first gold medalist returned home he was a national hero instantly. I guess this could have something to do with the thousands of kids taking up ??? as a full time career goal. 10 points to the person that guessed running. Out of these thousands of young athletes all doing one thing called long distance running they are sure to get lets say atleast 10 very good/excellent/exceptional long distance runners. There is a limit unfortunately of how many long distance runners can enter a long distance olympic event. Due to this limit kenya can only get all 3 medals in this long distance running event. All the sports people that you are talking about have devoted their life to doing one thing. Getting better. Tiger woods has played golf since he was 4 years old. I'd think all that training could have something to do with him being the best golfer at the moment. I'm sure training conditions and coaching level goes a long way to the level whatever colour athlete will achieve. There are olympic records held by all colour people getting broken by all colour people every olympic event. Majority of coaches say 40/60 natural talent and training. Yet to hear one say slavery has contributed to any sporting event.It's funny I was told as a kid black people can't surf because they can't balance. I thought it was because no one had bothered to teach them. What do you know,all colours in the surf now days. Sorry for wall of text smash in the face.


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Originally posted by EyesWideShut

Originally posted by symmetricAvenger
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people need to understand what the world RACE means.. its got bugger all to do with colour or culture..

its ABOUT SPECIES

Yeah , because we all know that Black People and White people aren't the same species.

How are they not? They have different skeletal structures, a different skin tone. How about the fact that Asians, Caucasians, and blacks are each as a people more susceptible to certain diseases.