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I am a member of the English Defense League

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posted on Sep, 7 2009 @ 07:35 PM
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People who follow my postings will be surprised to hear that I mostly agree with the OP. I understand why minorities over there are angry, but if you haven't been to the UK lately there are many Brits who feel their country is being overrun with people who don't respect them and their traditions.

I believe the key to resolving the growing tension is communication and respect. It has been my impression that the Brits are willing to do this and so are most of the minorities. However, and I have to be frank, there are some mullahs that thrive on stirring up tension. I know there are some white racists too, but absent a situation like the UK is now experiencing, they tended to be completely ignored.

I'm sorry to have to say I mostly blame the mullahs and the people who elevate them in status for preaching hate.




posted on Sep, 7 2009 @ 07:37 PM
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Seems to me this thread serves as some sort of outlet for nationalistic Daily Mail reading bigots to try and spread their word and garner support for the 'cause'. It's quite shocking really.



posted on Sep, 7 2009 @ 07:51 PM
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I don’t read tosh like the daily mail and have some of the strongest views on this thread as I say what I see. Name me another minority in this country that acts as arrogantly and aggressively as the Muslims; you can’t as they seem hell bent on forcing their beliefs down everyone’s throats. I work closely with the Military all over the UK and the protests where a big reason in my sentiment. I do not think there way of life or religion has a place in this country simple as that.
I do not discriminate against any other race or creed unless it discriminates against me or threatens my way of life. I believe that Islam is a threat to western culture. I am not an uneducated bigot and am drawing from experience, I believe that if we go down this road for much longer then riots will become a monthly feature on our papers as the populace has had enough. The government have left the borders unattended for too long and now instead of contributing migration we are getting the scum of Europe and the Middle east flooding our country and draining the likes of the NHS all the while protesting our way of life in the street. This cannot go on for much longer if you ask me


[edit on 7/9/09 by On the level]



posted on Sep, 7 2009 @ 07:53 PM
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Rational, civil discussions only happen between rational, civil people - the extremists are neither. They are there to ensure their cause wins at the expense of everyone and everything else - hence the word "extremists". That's why logic like this is perfect for them - they are not passive or peaceful. Everyone should have the right to speak their beliefs, but not at the expense of others, big difference. If you and other people would look at the videos I posted, it will show you clearly what's really going on. They are ready to kill for their god in a heartbeat - what if it was happening in your neighborhood, I think we'd all be forming leagues - coming to a neighborhood soon to everyone as their agenda is very clear and very dangerous.


Originally posted by john124
reply to post by Haydn_17
 


You are becoming part of the problem, and making an entirely new problem. From what I've seen of this idiotic English Defense League, you are a bunch of overweight & uneducated football hooligans.

Yes, there are issues of islamification, but this must be discussed rationally and in a civilised manner, otherwise misunderstanding occur and riots happen like have been in Birmingham. There is a correct way of going about this, and a wong way of going about it - both you and the BNP are taking the wrong approach. You may not be exactly the same, but you are similar in the use of uneducated approaches and use of half-wit tactics.

The world has many other problems that need to be solved, like eradicating extremism without creating more extremists at the same time. Then we can discuss anti-islamification, hopefully without riots!



posted on Sep, 7 2009 @ 07:56 PM
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Oh right, not kkk, not BNP. So how come most of your supporters are skinheads? #s like you don't belong on ATS.



posted on Sep, 7 2009 @ 08:12 PM
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You would be shocked at some members the BNP has if you are taking this 1980`s view. Senior figures in the armed forces and police, banking officials etc not what you would call skin heads, in most cases its people who are sick of the way this country is being run for the wrong members of our society.



posted on Sep, 7 2009 @ 08:23 PM
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Originally posted by mr-lizard
Question: Why are you protesting against the people who are abusing our system, as opposed to protesting against the idiots in power who have let this happen? Surely if you need to change something, you should aim for the source?


One could argue that the extremists are the source of the problem. Why should you have to go to the government to have them solve the extremist issue? Seems like, in this case, the government is the middle man, even if they were the ones that allowed them in in the first place. No?



posted on Sep, 7 2009 @ 08:40 PM
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i agree. my girlfriend was beat when she was 6, inside a masque. because she woulden't do something the teacher told her to, i believe it was something to do with her hair put up.



posted on Sep, 7 2009 @ 08:58 PM
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I'm on your side COMPLETELY my friend...

www.dailymail.co.uk...

NO SHARIA LAW IN THE WEST !!



posted on Sep, 7 2009 @ 09:00 PM
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Having only read the op I have to say it made me think instantly about how Louisiana US had a free tax weekend this week and that the main parts of the document which declared a state of emergency allowed for everything related to 'hunting', that raised red flags for me much the same as this thread.

What is the possibility that there are taliban type sleeper cells ready to pounce on all non muslim world?

I know everyone talks about dreams and I do not think I have shared mine here but it did have one to do with middle eastern men and a horrible plot, 911 just did not fit the bill, at least I dont think so, but a massive take over world war would.

Seems they could please Alah by doing as many in world wide as possible, but they would have to strike fast because it would not be long before they would not have anything to fight for anymore.

Scary stuff.

[edit on 7-9-2009 by antar]



posted on Sep, 7 2009 @ 09:10 PM
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Haydn

I'm from the UK. Have lived in the Middle East for a few years, Germany for a few years and currently the US.

1) I would question whether the Muslims you refer to are representative

2) I would strongly suggest that you are being fed an unbalanced diet of media.

3) The UK has done, and continues to march all over other countries in an empirical manner. As have many other countries. We have treated citizens of other countries, religions and cultures with absolute and utter disdain.

4) Since the days of the British Empire we had an agreement for example with India to allow entry of Indians to the UK. In the 1950's and onwards Indians contributed to rebuilding the backbone of the country - and helped to build a nation of shopkeepers.
4.1) A few generations later many Indians, Pakistani's etc have a good secondary education, in many cases a higher degree or technical degree and contribute to society in a very positive manner.

5) Show me a rabid muslim in the UK and I can show you a rabid Christian - show me a rabid Indian in the UK and I can show you a rabid Englishman. Get it?

6) I dont deny that there is an immigration/integration problem in the UK - most countries have an immigration/integration problem of somekind. In order for Germany for example to maintain its economic status and growth, 50,000 new immigrants are required every year. In this case the predominant immigrant has always been the Turks.

7) I dont doubt either that there is fervour and torment within these "Muslim" groups and that this is being exacerbated now more than ever by rabid fundamentalists on both sides. Its no wonder really given the crusade like aggression (at times warranted, but most often not) we have unleashed upon Iraq, Afghanistan, Pakistan, Syria, Libya in the last 50 years alone.

Given all the energy you have and the passion for your country, why dont you sign up with a group that works towards integration for the good of all, instead of tearing the country apart with a divide and conquer mentality?

What advice would you give your young kids on this situation if you had any?
Bearing in mind you would ideally have the moral obligation/courage to get past your own ego, stop strutting and beating your chestplate with a sword and consider for a moment - and then give your kids words of advice that will set them on the best path possible in life?

Thanks

Bravo



posted on Sep, 7 2009 @ 10:21 PM
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In my opinion there is only one kind of terrorist. It is a person who is willing to pick up a weapon and point it at someone else. At that my friend is you. if you are a soldier, you are a terrorist, you may not be considered one by your own country, but to your enemies you are. As long as there are people willing to fight, there will be NO PEACE

These muslims are fighting for what they believe in...just like you. They have every right to condemn the things they do based on their religious beliefs. Just as a Christian has the right not to take part in Muslim beliefs, and to condemn pagan practice.

You need to re-evaluate your own understanding of these things before you judge another persons actions. I have many muslim friends and they are the most peaceful, law abiding, god fearing people i know.

The real dangerous people are the Godless ones who have no-one to answer to. They do what they want and to whom they want in the name of themselves. That is why our world is the way it is.

Before you point the finger at religion you better be sure you are in the right. because if your not...your #ED



posted on Sep, 7 2009 @ 10:26 PM
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Borders, Language, Culture are the controlling factor for societies (per michaelsavage.com) to keep their identities.

In the USA, it use to be that legal immigrants had to have sponsors who were responsible for them for the first few years until they got settled, learned the language and customs. These immigrants came here with the idea of melting into the society in a symbiotic method and accepted the Borders, Language, Culture of the new country. The percent of immigrants was low that they blended in. As the quantity increases as a percentage of the nations headcount (as in the small European countries), them blending does not occur, especially when the European government tries to incorporate the immigrants home law (burkkas, Shria Law, etc)

Problem now, illegal aliens come and go as they please, and are only here since they need a job, and have no intention of staying, so no new Borders, Language, Culture for them, they are just leaches on society. The USA democrat/socialist want to just wave the magic wand and make them citizens in order to get their vote.



posted on Sep, 7 2009 @ 10:28 PM
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Don't know what you know about Skinhead culture mate but it seems very little.
Skinhead culture has it's roots in Jamaica and the vast majority of Skinheads are actively anti-racist and apolitical.

Deny ignorance.



posted on Sep, 7 2009 @ 11:16 PM
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I agree with you even though I live in the U.S. I have a British friend originally from Christschurch, she now has duel citizenship, and she told me of her sister's plight in Birmingham. What these muzzies, and yes that's what we call them, don't understand is that when you live in a different country, you have to absorb and conform to that country's norms and laws. When in Rome, nuff said. They are the ones spouting the racism and the fascism, wasn't Yasir Arafat and Anwar Sadat, both muslums, Nazi collaborators during WW 2? Yes, I back the Britons in their protest against an immigrant population trying to wipeout the British, Irish, Scotish, Welsh and Celtic culture and way of life that has been around for 1000 or more years. Every American knows and most will not admit it that the KKK and other similar groups in the U.S. are what will keep what has happen in England from happening in the U.S. Even the our indigenous minority groups/organizations will fight for the culture that is part of being an American. Even though the rest of the world thinks we are a bunch of mongeral races and cultures, we will all put down our differences and band together when the American way of life is threatened by outside cultures. We don't have a muzzie problem here and we won't. As Americans we would be honored to help the British people anytime.



posted on Sep, 7 2009 @ 11:18 PM
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I am a muslim myself and i oppose everything you have stated just as much as you do.

Screaming murderers, killers to soldiers who were sent to do what it is their duty to do, is not something that heroes deserve.

My personal opinion is the British government has gone on too long trying to be PC, first it started with "Muslim Day" at Alton Towers now its forbidden to have your flag flying in your own country? Now that to me is too far.

I am a BRITISH Muslim. The British bit giving away where i am from. Born here. Bred here. Not a country where my dad was born and grown up. If i want muslim laws, id go to a muslim country.

What the government needs to do is simply state, Like the british culture? No? Piss off back to where your ideologies come from. If there so right why come here and ruin someone elses country.

[edit on 7-9-2009 by wazthewazzock]



posted on Sep, 7 2009 @ 11:52 PM
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YEAH! Kill all muslims and other people who don't speak English!

Take their lands and their resources too. If they don't speak English, then they don't deserve them. And while you're at it, rape their women and sell their females into sex slavery so our troops can afford BJ's when they're their fighting to preserve our way of life - capitalism and hypocrasy. Then enslave the rest of their country and force them make our shoes and clothing for pennies per month, but do it under the control of our multinational corporations.

And if some of them have a problem with it, take one of them cut out their guts, and use their intestines as a rope so we can tie their bodies to a car and drive it around the country dragging the corpse of a dissenter by his own intestines to send a message to the other non-English speaking low-lifes out there - just like the U.S. did in Nicaragua and El Salvador.

Those bastards stole our resources by being the native inhabitants of the land that it belongs to.


[I wonder why they hate us]



posted on Sep, 8 2009 @ 12:25 AM
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Best of luck to you. You sound like a patriot in a land run by non-patriots.

I am a minority, and I support you.



posted on Sep, 8 2009 @ 02:26 AM
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Was there an anti black thead by him too?Ohh what a fine web he has weaved,I understand this thread better now thanks!

for the poster with bad eye sight on this thread,those shirts looked realy black to me.

To the poster talking about skinheads and their heritage,these shaven headed thugs may look like skinheads and they are-lol-but there the radical violent type,like the radical muslims-same mentality-thick as a plank



posted on Sep, 8 2009 @ 02:44 AM
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You are very quick to stereotype people.

You criticise people for labelling all Muslims the same yet apply the same process to others yourself!

Hmm, you are guilty yourself of the same 'fascist' outlook as those you criticise.



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