I am a member of the English Defense League

Originally posted by detachedindividual
reply to post by kshaund

 

If you don't want people to see you as racist thugs, stop repeating the tabloid BS about Muslim extremists (what, do they carry signs now so you can identify them?). You guys are all crying about being labelled as racists, then you insist on focusing solely on the "Muslim terrorists", a person that is hidden, unknown.

So next time we see some Rastafarian suicide bombers or Sikhs wanting to behead anybody who offends their religion or Buddist extremists then we'll probably be angry at them too.

But for now we'll just stick to the extremists amongst the muslim society. You know the one's. The one's who wish our soldiers dead, the one's who hate Christmas and the ones who get offended by St georges flag.

Sorry but you too are swallowing the media hype by thinking anyone who speaks out against extremism is a daily mail / sun reader.

I'm fairly left wing, i read the guardian, work and study hard, have friends of many beliefs and colours and creeds, have travelled the world and seen a lot of sights. I consider myself working class but have a self-earned education and can see both sides of most arguements. I don't like football but i do like a beer or nine. Does this blow your mind?

I just don't like the way things are going here in the UK.

Sorry to point out the error of your ways, but i guess somebody had to.



[edit on 8-9-2009 by mr-lizard]

Originally posted by george_gaz
reply to post by woodwardjnr

 

Give me a break.

A weekend in Hackney is not enough to see what is going on here. A weekend in any place is barely even going to allow you to scratch the surface.

Try living in these areas.

(This is where he claims he lives in Bradford or something to try to make a point).

I lived in London for 10 years then moved out to the nice oxfordshire countryside, where i can sit on my lap top and cast judgement on my fellow man while listening to the tweeting birds and lawnmo'er's outside.

reply to post by detachedindividual


Give me one example where I have shown racialist tendencies.

That I am anti-militant Muslim I openly and freely admit.

But it is the religion I despise, not the people.

I feel no sense of racial superiority over anyone.

If you can not understand the difference between someone who feels they are racially superior and someone who dislikes a religious belief system then I suggest it is down to your mental limitations or the conditioning that has that has resulted in you being unable to think for yourself!

I am still looking for a clip I came across a few weeks ago that took place in the US involving extremists in Milwaukee, I believe (I could be wrong, but it is in that region of the US), where "people" were not allowed to ask questions of their "Information Day" and were bullied out of the region physically - their mandate is death to all who don't believe/side/worship Allah, period.

www.youtube.com...

Like this clip says around 3:00 - all these little hot spots around the globe are all fronts of the war, not isolated incidents....

I'm so cynical I'd even bet if a US or Canadian citizen killed an extremist before they got killed they'd be put up on manslaughter charges and serve jail time... it's that bass ackwards out there

reply to post by Freeborn

It is about how the PC dominated MSM are portrsying EDL as mindless, racist bigots and that my friend is a downright lie perpetrated by TPTB.

To which I wholeheartedly agree that level headed campaigners are deliberately being manipulated.

Jihad is on its way...
www.youtube.com...

This is not a demonstration - its a global call to destroy all countries for the jihad...

For those of you wishing to play nice and invite them to tea and discuss integration... go for it - I won't be waiting for a favorable outcome and hope everyone will take these extremists as very serious, and very dangerous and literally a risk to our lives.

So are gangs, random criminals, mafia and government - biggest difference is the extremists are loud and intent and we can see and hear them coming to make us go away...

Peace only works when it's an option - it's not an option for them -

[edit on 8-9-2009 by kshaund]

reply to post by kshaund


I think that video said it all really.......

reply to post by mr-lizard


I hate Christmas too, I'm Pagan. I feel little patriotism to my country. I hate the fact that we are at war in countries for no reason other than to secure Oil.

So does that make me a target for your hatred?

You are generalising an entire community of people and labelling them as potential terrorists simply because they do not agree with some strict ideas of what YOU THINK Britain is about.

What about David Copeland, Tim McVeigh... Are you about to declare war on white men in their 20's too?

Again, unless these people are approaching you and openly stating their intentions to blow people up, how the hell do you protest such?

A good comparison can be made with the IRA and the Irish.

Would you find it reasonable to do what you do against the "Irish people" and claim that you are combating the IRA?
My suspicion is that you wouldn't, because they aren't of dark skin and grow beards.

You people seriously need to learn about the Muslim faith. Just as there are radical Christians and radical Jews, there is radical Islam. But that minority is just that, a minority. You are attacking an entire group of people based on propaganda.

You cannot simply target an entire cultural group based on the actions of a very tiny minority. To do so is racist, and no amount of denial will prove otherwise.

The argument is over in my opinion. You guys have done nothing to adequately prove that you are not just a grass roots replacement for the BNP now they've gone semi-legit. You contradict yourselves, proclaiming not to be racist while constantly banging on about a select few and tarnishing the entire cultural group. You are fundamentalists in yourselves, a hypocrisy, stating that those who do not believe the same as you (Christmas, flags and so on) should be fought.

I'm done in this discussion. You'll continue to deny the facts, and you'll continue to form inadequate arguments in your defence.

You've done nothing in this thread to convince me that the EDL is anything but a racists group of thugs determined to cause hatred and violence.

Well done guys, you must be really proud to be British.

Whilst working a particularly busy night shift in the Accident and Emergency dept some time ago, an unpleasant incident occurred causing me re-evaluate my career choice. Patient waiting time was averaging 3-4 hours through sheer volume, anyone requiring simple analgesia,antibiotics etc were quite simply at the back of the queue. 2 RTA's had arrived alongside cardiac arrests and genuinely critically ill people. Tension was running high, and at all times, patients were informed of delays and any necessary pain relief was administered as required. Then,our worst nightmare unfolded. A critically ill infant arrived requiring every speciality medical staff. One male patient persistently asked 'how much longer?'. Trying to appease him by explaining our situation was not diffusing his anger. Sadly, we could not save the infant and our backlog of patients was horrendous. The gentleman in question became irate, and, after he had been given a full and frank reason for the delay became abusive. I was a 'racist bitch', (the child happened to be caucasian),'I don't care,it's not my kid', followed by just about every expletive known to man. What followed beggared belief. Several rowdy and intoxicated patients jumped on the 'racist' band-wagon,exacerbating an already volatile situation. Quite frankly, the ONLY criteria that should matter is medical priority, not ethnicity,sexual preference or gender. So, my question is, am I racist because I attempted to treat a critically ill white child over an Asian gentleman who had a sore throat? Am I racist because I love to celebrate Christmas with my family (in my own home)?Am I being racist for flying the St.George's flag when (ok' if) England qualify for the World Cup? Who was it that stated 'Deny no man his freedom, provided that when he has his, he does not deny me mine? Because right now I don't feel particularly free! Recently I saw someone wearing a T-shirt stating 'Keep Iraq Clean, Get the British Out! Isn't that just slightly contentious or,dare I say it, Racist?

reply to post by Haydn_17


Good on 'ya!

The information below may be of interest:

www.abovetopsecret.com...

The trouble is some people here cant see why muslims feel strongly about the west.Have they watched the news recently?

Did they not notice that two deeply christain world leaders started a war in Iraq that has resulted in many dead lying out there in the blazing sun eyes wide open rotting away as time marches by to the hypnotic beat of oil being pumped away by heavy machinery in the haze of dust and morning prayers.

Have they not noticed the unmanned planes dropping bombs for fun in pakistan with the pilot sat in an air conditioned room states side playing warfare xbox style with god mode on!I bet they get medals too

Muslims dont hate us for our freedoms,they hate us for our bombs!

The more we keep poking them the more they will want to fight back,we might very well act the same way if roles were reversed and a foreign army was descimating our country.

But no,they dont notice all that-they just notice a tiny minority of radical muslims on our streets behaving as thugs and havnt a clue why they act that way!

reply to post by noangels


I'm pretty sure Fanatical//radical Islamists existed before 9/11 just as the BNP party did....

I've got a few questions for the OP.

You are outraged by one particular Muslim lawyer saying that Christmas is evil. Have you been in touch with this person to discuss this viewpoint with him? Have you protested near this person's home or place of work to get across your outrage at this particular person making this particular statement?

You are outraged because the city council took down the St George's flags. Has the EDL been in touch with the local council to lobby them about this? Has the council confirmed that this was due to them believing that it may offend Muslims, or for a different reason? Did they receive any complaints from any Muslims about the flags?

You are outraged because the media reported that a number of British mosques are preaching a message of hate and segregation. Has the EDL been in touch with these particular mosques to start liaisons towards your goals? Assuming your goal is to stop them preaching such messages, what plan do you have in place to reach this objective?

And lastly, do you believe that arranging general protests in front of the general Muslim population is furthering your cause? Do you believe that a more direct approach to tackle those 'bad apples' and not the general Muslim population (which you say you do not have a problem with) may be a better approach?

Originally posted by TruthxIsxInxThexMist
reply to post by noangels

 

I'm pretty sure Fanatical//radical Islamists existed before 9/11 just as the BNP party did....

yeah the BNP went under a different name. The National Front.

reply to post by kshaund


Haydn,

Your fight should be against IGNORANCE.

The British SAS mastered and introduced the concept of "Hearts and Minds" Campaigns in Burma in the 1950's.

If you want to go out onto the UK streets and take scalps as a means to ending ignorance, then understand you are compounding and adding to the problems as opposed to working towards a little social enlightenment, which you could surely use yourself.

You say Muslims dont want to integrate? This is largely down to their own ignorance and unbalanced diet of media and are not that differrent from YOU.

If you ever watch the documentaries about the kids that were taken from the streets and forced to study in a Madrassa and are effectively brainwashed(irrespective of country). They are fed a diet of "patroitism" and religous "holier than thou" type BS and are then sent out onto the streets to fight. Have you seen the many cases where these kids are then reformed?

You want to go out and fight? Do you really believe that you are helping the situation? I would understand that force is a last resort - there is a lot more that can be done before resulting to force.

Also in the same way a 7/7 was a false flag op - dont be suprised to learn that there are interests in the higher echelons of UK government that seek to create this fervor and torment between religions and races - and you are playing straight into their hands.

So what are you going to do Haydn?

1) Adopt a "lower biological response" and go out on the streets with your club and take some Muslim scalps for the benefit of the few?

or

2) Adopt a "higher cognitive response" and educate yourself in a balanced manner, inform yourself, make some informed decisions and then go out there and fight ignorance for the good of all?

You have been blinded by patriotism and the beat of the drums of war just like pretty much every other hot headed young man that has taken to the streets with club in hand be it for a false flag op or not- fighting for some "heroic goal" that has been CREATED IN A LARGELY FICTICIOUS MANNER by others to serve some other purpose entirely to which you are NOT PRIVVY AND NEVER WILL BE.

All you are is ignorant and uninformed cannon fodder perpetuating a myth of them against us - you are no better than "them" (INSERT TARGET OF CHOICE), whoever they may be.

Thanks

Bravo

reply to post by Freeborn

Something still practiced in parts of the Muslim world!

I'm in no way trying to excuse what they do but I find it totally hypocritical how xtians don't empathize with them, in that they are just looking in a mirror with an old use by date.

I think you will find it was Christians who were the driving force behind the abolitionist movement.

Although I don't agree perhaps full discussion would digress to far from topic.

Oh, and by the way, I am an avowed Agnostic and no supporter of the Christian faith either, but facts are facts my friend!

Sadly it would seem we are not presented with all the facts but what a few would have us believe.

My overwhelming concern is that xtians are being deliberately wound up.

An example = My friend is a (almost fundamental) xtian he works in an office alongside a homosexual a couple of lesbians 2 muslims 1 Sikh 1 sex changer (can't think of the right term) . All bar one of the management are women bar "one" and last I heard but approximately only around 25% of employees are men.

The xtian has his views, although admittedly they're not his own but yahwhes, but he is not allowed to express them ie his beliefs.
Why ? because his beliefs are not PC yet the muslims are insistent upon their right to the prayer time thing. The homosexuals can heavily promote their homosexuality, the xtian can reject them but cannot speak his belief about it.

The transgenders is without question to be known under its' new name and provided with his/her own toilet and change of job (better pay and conditions) as the clients may not take kindly to a half man half woman.

So the xtian who is just trying to get by offering the psychotic Yahweh delusion to us sinners is no longer even allowed to think it.

This is totally insane and the UK appears to be getting stirred up one man/woman (transgender) against another.

I cannot help but think that there is an agenda to incite muslim radicals to hatespeach in order to get a reaction, totally insane.

reply to post by moocowman Same old stuff you keep spouting again and again, I have already stated in responses to your comments that I agree that the Catholic church and the crusades did fundamentalise the mohammadens in the first place however this is 2009 not 1059. There is no excuse for the actions that go on within their communities or their countries such as honour killings and throwing acid in the faces of spurned lovers. Couple that with cutting off the hands and feet of starving people who have stolen bread and the general terroristy antics of their religion I am astonished you spend your time slamming Christians. I have a dream that if I was god I would create a duplicate earth on the other side of the universe and put all of the Muslims on it, including the mosques and Mecca etc, then they could have their dream planet with no filthy infidels. I would also hasten to add that this planet would last about 100 years before the Sunni and shia division would end with nukes flying. I do not practice my religion due to the hypocrisy of the church however find it amazing that people like yourself can come on and slam the whole of Christianity in the face of islamification of the west and people being threatened on the streets, afraid to speak out against a minority that is allowed to run amok.

reply to post by noangels

Did they not notice that two deeply christain world leaders started a war in Iraq that has resulted in many dead lying out there in the blazing sun eyes wide open rotting away as time marches by to the hypnotic beat of oil being pumped away by heavy machinery in the haze of dust and morning prayers.

And here we have it, the reality of it all why are people so blind they cannot see the social manipulation ?

Terrorists ?

The only terrorists are the scum we complacently allow to feed us crap and orchestrate these atrocities while the smugly feed us Chinese white goods.

Ah what the hell, there's a good band down the pub Friday, and the X Factor looks good this week.

reply to post by moocowman


Regarding your whole christians hate gays thing you have going on, I could not care less about homosexuals and count a couple as friends. I would only begin to question the lifestyle if they demanding gays laws passed, gay menus in KFC, gay areas to be gay in at all airports, gay changes to holidays calling it a gay time of year instead of christmas I mean any group asking for these thing really takes the biscuit

reply to post by On the level

however find it amazing that people like yourself can come on and slam the whole of Christianity in the face of islamification of the west and people being threatened on the streets, afraid to speak out against a minority that is allowed to run amok.

Islamification of the west ?

That's totally preposterous scaremongering, the majority of muslims are coming here to get away from the atrocities you speak of, yes which do happen.

I for one am not afraid to speak out against the lunacy I just happen to focus on religion. Why because if you remove religion there's nothing to hide behind nothing to defend or command unjustified respect for and nothing to fight over. You become just another criminal answerable to the law of the majority.

It is not PC (perhaps arrestable) for me to say raghead but I can say deluded so I for one will focus on the delusion that these monsters hide behind.

It is so easy to ignore the homosexual being threatened on the streets or the atheist being subjects to hate email etc.

You seem to overlook that I would like to live in a peaceful society, one would hope that we are on the same side here.

Trouble is xtianity "Needs" war death mayhem and these islamic incidents in order to point to its' prophesies of the jesusyahweh gods return.

The last thing xtianity wants is peace so it makes one wonder who exactly TPTB are being controlled by.