Great thread


Our county needs to put a proviso on immigration:

If you are coming here to work and live, you must accept that our culture and way of life are different to yours. You are free to practice your culture and religion but preaching hate and chanting death to the English people and our culture will result in immediate deportation.

Sign Here: ______________

Problem solved .

How can anybody argue against wanting to put a stop to hate preaching? So it is racist for us English to say "they should be stopped from chanting death to the english and our troops" but it is OK for them to keep saying these things?

What is wrong with people? Allow them to destroy our country from the inside, but don't you dare say they can't do it you racist!

Come on I am really getting fed up of the ridiculous people in this world who haven't got an ounce of common sense.

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A thought crossed my mind.

There are some professions and jobs that say you can not be a member of the BNP and still keep employment, will that apply to the EDL?

In fact, if a partner of a civil servant were to join the BNP, that could leave the civil servant open to disciplinary action up to and including losing their job. This is of course democracy in action!

And I know this is slight off topic but relevent

Thumb's up to the OP for making this thread.

One thing which I've never got is when people are called "racist" for criticizing Islam/Muslims, how can it be racist to criticize a religion?

Just my personal belief here, but Islam seems to be very intolerant of criticism. Most religions are to some degree, but Muslims really do go overboard. What they don't seem to realise is that in England you have the right to believe in whatever religion you wish to, but people have the right to criticize it.

I think that the media exagerates this issue, but it is still a problem even if it is only a few extremists.

Yes, the Brits are a shining example of tolerance.

They invited themselves to North America and then told the indigenous people that they now had to be Christian and they had to speak English.

It must really suck when another culture does the same thing to you that you did to others all over the globe.

Not that it makes anything right.

I don't know if you have hate laws over there. If you do you should just enforce them against anyone; regardless of race or religion, who advocates beheadings or killing; including your government types. (e.g. bombing civilians in illegal wars).

Three men have been found guilty of conspiring to murder thousands of airline passangers with liquid explosives disguised as soft drinks.

These men are British Muslims not immigrants, they were all university graduates, so the excuse of disenfranchised young Muslims does not enter the equasion.

These men were radicalised here in the UK where.. homes, uni or the Mosque?
A young man with learning dificulties here in Devon, became a Muslim convert and tried to blow up a cafe in Exeter, Devon does not have a high Muslim population, those here as with other nationalities rarely if ever suffer racism, and usually intergrate into our society, why a planned attack here? in an are where Muslims are not disenfranchised.

Despite the UK welcoming immigrants for many many years it is the first time many Brits see their own culture under attack.

Is the EDL right to protest or are the adding fuel to the fire, I think they kew exactly what they were doing, which imo is too incite racial disharmony.

We do have a problem, we have become the most overcrowded country in Europe, this alone puts pressure on a society. The PC brigade falls over itself protecting all but the 'ordinary man/woman'. We allow faith schools which does nothing for intergraton. Our culture flawed as it is, is slowly erroding.

Not sure what the answer is...better understanding I guess.

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I can understand the reasoning behind why a EDL would have been set up though to be fair it does leave a funny taste in my mouth as in an ideal world I would prefer a more integrated society. Sadly this world in anything but ideal so we have what we have.

The one thing that sticks in my mind to this day is the imagery and rage that was felt when 2nd Battalion Royal Anglican Regiment marched through Luton and were heckled and called murders and also urged to go to hell by a group from the Al-Muhajiroun. These fine examples of young Muslim tolerance held aloft placards that read "Anglican soldiers butchers of Baghdad" and things of that nature.

Now of course the crowd went wild and I even saw an old veteran old enough to be from the second world war swinging and shouting at members of the Al-Muhajiroun for all his might. I sat there aghast and my wife breathed "he's going to get hurt". In the melee the old veteran he fell backwards only managing to keep his footing... My wife and I both sat there in silence not believing what we were seeing. What did the police do?

They eventually marched the Al-Muhajiroun way after what seemed an eternity. I was disgusted that such a thing could happen to our soldiers on a homecoming march but much more disgusted that the police did not arrest these Muslim men who turned up to the march to do nothing more than to stir up racial and religious hatred and bad feeling. At the very least the police should have warned them to put away those dreadful placards and tone down the shouts of "Death to murdering soldiers. Burn in hell Anglicans".

A police commander worth his salt would have told these Al-Muhajiroun protesters to sling their hook or risk arrest. Yes we have free speech but this Al-Muhajiroun group was abusing this right for the purposes of inciting a riot and it was enraging to watch. At the end the police "escorted" these Muslim men away, being careful to keep the outraged supporters from getting anywhere near.

Now had Christians held aloft placards "Iraqis burn in hell, burn in hell". you can bet anything you like that they would have been arrested and charged with hate crimes. Why were the Al-Muhajiroun protesters not treated in the same way? Where is the logic and reasoning behind this?

I talked to an Iranian friend of mine about it a week later and he was as disgusted and saddened as he knew the protests of the Al-Muhajiroun would probably have violent repercussions for moderate Muslims in some other part of Britain. “Us dirty Muslims at it again”. he said to me with a sad look. I knew exactly what he meant. He had watched the events unfold that day too and he told me he just felt a sinking feeling come over him.

Sad times and there are going to be no winners if we just assume every British Muslim is a terrorist waiting for his time to strike.

The law needs to come down hard on those of all religious leanings who want to incite hatred full stop. It is not free speech, it is hate speech pure and simple.

I wonder what would happen if American and British families started settling in muslim countries and then stood on street corners insulting them? I don't think they would be there very long!!! Yet, we allow muslims to that very same thing. It's not just the UK either! I saw muslims demonstrating in Times Square, New York a few years ago.

In response to the OP's points regarding the nature of the EDL and its beliefs. The line "we're not the BNP" rings somewhat hollow when the founder memberd of the EDL have themselves acknowledged that they are members of the BNP. The organisation may be different in focus and have different aims - but can you really expect people not to be suspicious of its motives when acknowledged BNP activists like Chris Renton set up its website?

The BNP is a racist and actually fairly crass "political" organisation. Millions have given them a democratic mandate to express their view publicly. I happen to find that loathsome. Any unmandated, connected activity I reserve the right to abhor totally. I have a lot of anger at Muslim extremism - and any other extremism for that matter - being let loose on UK streets. But you don't represent that anger, nor do I believe the way you protest against it to be either appropriate or helpful.

I wish half-baked organisations like the EDL and the BNP would stop claiming themselves to be the only people speaking truth and doing anything to help their society, or the only ones representing the truth. They aren't. They just do it more loudly, more aggressively and more arrogantly. There are in fact plenty of people working tirelessly and in a reasoned, effective manner to try to sort out problems of extremism and racism in society. What the BNP/EDL does is exacerbate the problem, not solve it.

LW

Nice post OP... well done.

I get confused when people call you a racist for posting something like this. I get confused when people say if you march for what you believe in then you incite racial hatred?? I think the issue with how weak our country has become is because for too long we've done nothing.... thinking it will go-away whilst elements like Sharia Law slowly creep in (as another poster has already mentioned).

Young Brits are being brought up to hate 'infidels', and that blowing people up is ok* - this is a minority but for how long IF no-one stands up and says enough??

A country full of different people/races is fine, as long as they all obey the original countries law and are happy to learn the language, support the community and support the country. I know another poster mentions how England was founded, but if we take that mentality then we have to go 'way-back' and then we're all racists and in a lot of trouble.

My brother lives in Dubai and he has to do what they say and obey their rules. He can't stand on a corner and tell them they are wrong... and that's fine - he respects that.

I am also not ranting at Muslims or religion. I rant at any immigrant that comes here and expects a free ride and demands things change. I know of a very pleasant family that moved to our country (I like them). They were given a large house, money for food, a brand new PC, money for clothes etc. etc. Their father worked on the 'sly' and brought more money in. My parents went through a tough time financially and even though they had been paying tax, NI etc. all their lives were given nothing and treated like scum. I guess on reflection it's not the people who move into our countries fault - it's the system, the governments fault for allowing us to go down this path. Add in the EU who would probably make it illegal for them to change any of this because of 'human rights' and 'quotas' and we have a fine mess on our hands.

Yes, it's time for people like the EDL to stand up and voice their opinions.

* Note - yes, we Brits/Americans are blowing up their countries in a crappy war so we are just as bad.

i'm really trying to look at both sides here, but I dont think this EDL thing is a good thing at all. i can only see it as devisive. I had a look at some of their youtube clips and it all looks a little scary. i think the best people to root out muslim extremists is the police working with the muslim community.

It is obviously fear driven over sharia law taking over, which is absolute non sense.

there is also a big football influence involved in some of the videos and some of the chanting. "we want our country back, we want our country back".

i making my point now that the EDL are bad news. We shall see.

It is your democratic right to protest against Islamic extremism on the streets of Birmingham (just outside the nearest bar).

It is my democratic right to protest against a bunch of lager louts chanting IRA and Nazi slogans ("ZEICH HAIL").

EDL my elbow. More like ENGLISH DRUNKS LEAGUE.




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