Originally posted by george_gaz
Originally posted by KingAmongstMen
You lose on the atheism point and I'm not going there. Atheism, lack of belief in God. Agnosticism, lack of belief in God. Ergo agnosticism is
atheism. It's even defined as much in early definitions.
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Seriously, quit with the "agnostics are atheists" lines.
They are two different things. Atheists believe in metaphysics, agnostics don't.
Stop trying to fight a moot point because you simply got it wrong. Accept it and get over it and let's get back on topic.
Look, you obviously don't have a proper grasp of the English language.
Atheism is the absence of belief in the existence of deities.
Agnostics do not believe in God, because if they did that would make them theists, correct? Therefore, agnostics are atheist.
They lack believe in the existence of deities. It doesn't matter if they say "I'm open the idea". How they go about their beliefs doesn't matter.
It comes down to the fact they DO NOT believe in deities. Thus making them ATHEISTS. BY the very definition of atheism.
Agnosticism was and always has been Atheism. Unless you're wrongly defining atheism, which is what you and most of you are doing. Only if you've
been fooled by religious propoganda, and believe that Atheism is simply the rejection of God, the refusal, and nothing more, do you believe
Agnosticism is not one in the same.
If you understand Atheism how it should be understood, for what it is and what it was, not what the Vatican have told you, then you'll know
Agnosticism IS atheism.
Does an Agnostic believe in God. Yes or no? No, he doesn't. Then he's an atheist. There is no 2 bloody ways about it. It's really that simple.
Agnostics might not like it, but I don't care.
