GOP senator warns of 'minor revolution' over health care

You equate Industry and individual as one and the same, I do not...
This issue always boils down to this here, it offends your ideology.

Once the SOCIALISM aspect is gone here in is the core of the issue.

In which you effectively dismiss any impliments of reform that are pro active -
you seem to think being passive and hands off will resolve the GREED motive
which is at the core of issue.

In ALL other cases I would say hands off, but this is one where there is not much choice now is there. The INDUSTRY has posted insane profits in the last decade and what have they done?

Increased premiums lock step with their profit, the opposite of what your ideals tell you they should do. So how do you explain that? ITs a free country? Basically it say MM
you are free to be $#@$ along with every other person who pays theirs dues because that is the way it is.

So we are all in a pickle now aren't we?

When it is your turn to be in a bed and view the price tags fixed to the hours of actual care you received what will go thru your head? Does your home and lifetime of work to the 120 hours you were actually cared for?

These costs are crippling AMERICA and SMALL business's alike, I cannot have a vote on the practices of my insurance company, but I do have a voice in government allegedly.

ALL of you will meet the menace one day, but it is human nature, out of sight out of mind.

reply to post by DYepes

But look at us for real, we all tearing each others throats out. This division among us is causing us not to discuss the main thing, which is affordable health care.

I can agree on this. You know I saw on the news tonight were John Kerry was giving a town hall meeting and they aired a part were he was talking about the insurance companies. He was basically saying they were doing this and that and taking advantage of Americans. I tried to find video so people could hear exact words but was unable to find it.

Anyways, after hearing this, I couldn't help but think of all the banks/companies the US has taken over because they felt it was important to protect Americans. If they can regulate and dictate to these companies in the interest of Americans, then how can our politicians allow the health insurance companies to get away with this and that?

We may differ on the type of healthcare, but in the end we all want affordable insurance and reasonable health costs.

reply to post by JayinAR

Thank you Jay!
That was my whole point.
If we hadn't of had to pay for a false war or rich only tax cuts or
buddy bailouts, etc, we would not be deep in debt.
So...our hands our tied, just what they want.

[edit on 2-9-2009 by dodadoom]

Originally posted by JayinAR
THROW THE BUMS OUT!!!!
THROW THE BUMS OUT!!!!

All of them.

Nice gesture and replace them with the same guy with a different name?


Thats why I suggest this place should split, those who think the corporations
will lower the prices by some fashion can start a whole new thing and find some
prettier officials with brighter teeth.

I know this is what we got, I know the system is $##$#$#$#$%% beyond reason
and a lot of it has to do with greed. Both politician and company, but if the government is willing to limit indirect service profit that helps my pocket.

*I ask you while your company be able to still cover you (less you service policy)
if prices go up 200% in the next 20 years?*

Thats is where it is headed, I WANT TO FIX THAT somehow.

answer my question and offer a solution would ya?

I guess the dem.s are finding out that the mandate to create the USSA (United Soviet Socialist America) is not playing well with the American people. Our premier, Obama, is also finding out that his cult of personality can not sustain his mandate for a communist America.

But don't worry, he hopes to change all that by starting direct propaganda campaigns to children locked into our government controlled education camps. Obama seems genuinely shocked that his charisma can't simply overcome the issues. If everyone loves him, shouldn't everyone just love obamacare with:

Complete government control over all insurance:
Reduction of hospital staff and services:
Enforced Rationing:
The need to have everyone's bank account numbers:
Death panels for the elderly:
Vaccine secret police:
Government monitoring of all bio implants:
Buying extra health care becoming illegal:
Removing any cost competition or free market competition from health care:

etc. etc.

reply to post by mental modulator


I don't care who you replace them with.
I saw a sticker pasted to a stop sign the other day.

It read: "Help Wanted: X amount of people need to represent."

Or something like that.
I agree.
I don't care, just as long as you promise to not be a liar.


[edit on 2-9-2009 by JayinAR]

Originally posted by jam321
reply to post by DYepes

 

then how can our politicians allow the health insurance companies to get away with this and that?

Because all we are talking about is SOCIALISM - the point is to KILL THE DEBATE
BY DEATH OF A THOUSAND CUTS.

RIGHT NOW that is what people are trying to achieve, to not let them get away with it.
It is a massive undertaking...

SO now the whole thing will sink and nothing will be done and it will be addressed in another 15 years. REPEAT

Fair enough

they are replaced now... lets say

* will your company be able to still cover you (less you service policy)
if prices go up 200% in the next 20 years?*


answer my question and offer a solution would ya?

reply to post by WTFover

I was being slightly sarcastic, my apologies.
Thank you, but I am already rich!
And no, my material wealth "status" has nothing to do with it!
Thats what we dont understand at all in this country.
One does not need a lot of money to be truly rich!

Thanks also for your best wishes!
I am in total agreeance!
Lets not wait till we're rich to 'give back' eh?
I bet alot of us on here have enough time we could do
volunteer work also.
Sometimes money cant buy everything!
But we sure try, dont we?

This is the $#@$@#$ stuff that keeps the insurance companies posting record breaking profits and charging record breaking premiums

could you come back to earth and address the problem?

reply to post by mental modulator


Is the Government willing to limit indirect service cost?

CAN THE GOVERNMENT HELP IT?!

Hell no.
This is an economy that is not STRUCTURED AROUND THIS GOVERNMENT'S POLICY!
I don't want them in a damn BIT OF IT.
There are other ways that the GOVERNMENT CAN ACTUALLY ACT to make this cheaper.
But that would require changing things to a tune that the GOVERNMENT WON'T ACCEPT, such as limiting imports by imposing higher taxes and repealing "free trade laws"...

I WANT THEM GONE - PERIOD!

reply to post by mental modulator

you seem to think being passive and hands off will resolve the GREED motive which is at the core of issue.

In ALL other cases I would say hands off, but this is one where there is not much choice now is there. The INDUSTRY has posted insane profits in the last decade and what have they done?

You missed my suggestion. I don't advocate a "hands off' approach. I do suggest the government keep their hands off. Let me explain it this way. If a new restaurant opens in your town, you are eager to try it. However, you soon learn the prices are too high, the portions are too small and the food is not tasty. Do you demand the government control these things or do you just not visit that place again? If everyone else takes the same action, the restaurant either changes their ways or goes out of business.

If you have to take a prescription medication and it is substantially cheaper at one pharmacy than another, do you advocate the government regulate that or just go buy it from the cheaper place?

You do have power. Don't allow yourself to become reliant on the government for anything. I am reminded of a statement made by Bill O'Reilly after the fiasco of hurricane Katrina striking New Orleans. "If you count on the government for anything, expect to be disappointed."

Originally posted by JayinAR
reply to post by mental modulator

 

such as limiting imports by imposing higher taxes and repealing "free trade laws"...

So who is going to do that? Who has the power to impose higher import taxes? (I agree with you BTW)

and that was not my question...

My question is your company going to be able to maintain it blue cross plan for employees in twenty years, if the price goes up 200%?

reply to post by JayinAR


Absolutely! I know I'll catch flack for this, but...The government is already tasked with controlling our borders and they don't. Enforcing our immigration laws, alone, would have a dramatic effect on health care costs.

reply to post by mental modulator


And my answer is that it doesn't f#in matter.
The only way to change it is through... well, you know what.

You know why we're screwed fellers??
And why nothing will ever change?
Because neither the gubmint OR corporate america cares.
Used to be corporations were regulated BY the gubmint.
Now its all about profit and why they now run the country.
We all know all that. Well most anyway.....
It all about our greedy human nature and thats why it wont ever change
without outside influence.
Because we dont even know were sick in the head.
You cant really fix greed. We couldn't anyway.
Especially when alot of people still think its somehow needed.

More party politics.
GOP warns of a revolution to clear themselves of any blame and thus gives notice to Americans that they had no part in this.
On the other hand the Democrats are suggesting that it is more fear tactics by the GOP to deter America from Universal Health Care.
In the end they are both garbage, in the end we have no money for such a bill [even if reconciled], and at the moment our children and their future's are going down the toilet. Who cares though? It's Republicans versus Democrats, right?

reply to post by dodadoom


This is very true.
Don't you guys see, this is where it is going.
Revolution.
A reset.
For yet another great power in history.

Apparently this is our lot.

Originally posted by WTFover
reply to post by mental modulator

 

However, you soon learn the prices are too high, the portions are too small and the food is not tasty. Do you demand the government control these things or do you just not visit that place again? If everyone else takes the same action, the restaurant either changes their ways or goes out of business.

If you have to take a prescription medication and it is substantially cheaper at one pharmacy than another, do you advocate the government regulate that or just go buy it from the cheaper place?

SO do you mandate that government HAS to be a failure at all costs?

You are saying hands off and healthcare is not like a restaurant or pharmacy -

Pharm and HCI work in tandem to keep prices high because of profit motive, they
industry is the only game in town. The board members hop around from company and back like hookers

they serve their own interests

it is NOT in their interest to change one bit, because it will decrease profit.

Why can't we get drugs from Canada or Mexico?

I would like that option,,, and who blocks it in industry? in the government?