GOP senator warns of 'minor revolution' over health care

Originally posted by JayinAR
The Federal Government is overstepping its bounds YET AGAIN with this crap.
It is as simple as that. Socialized ANYTHING is a disgrace to the Constitution of this Country.

It sickens me that military personnel wouldn't understand this. I mean, they swore to protect the integrity of that piece of paper.
I guess they never bothered reading the damned thing!

Were the founding Fathers Socialists that betrayed the Constitution that they wrote?

After the Declaration of Independence, 14 states had their own constitutions by 1791, and out of the 14, 7 states had specific provisions for education. Jefferson believed that education should be under the control of the government, free from religious biases, and available to all people irrespective of their status in society. Others who vouched for public education around the same time were Benjamin Rush, Noah Webster, Robert Coram and George Washington.

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I think our history with Communism has clouded, confused, and scared many people on what exactly socialist policies are and how they can benefit a nation.

I highly doubt any kind of Revolution will happen because of healthcare reform. There will be much gnashing of teeth and pulling of hair, but I don't see any kind of major upheaval. The month after it happens the parties and the media will be leading the people along on some other hot button issue and everyone will forget about this.

I don't think the reform is perfect and it's not near what I'd like it to be, but it's way better than keeping things the way they are now.

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Hey, I'm sure you can find a recruitment station near your place of residence.
Go sign up.
I did.
I won't do it again.

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Now I'm with you there.


I joined the Navy back in 92 only to discover it stands for Never Again Volunteer Yourself

Originally posted by HunkaHunka
I hope you like Universal Healthcare because the democratic majority *will* pass Kennedy Care.

No I dont' like Obamacare and most Americans don't want it.
So what you are saying is that the dems will push through what
America doesn't want. Welcome to the democratic nanny state of 2009
where the 'democratic majority' in office will do whatever the hell they
want regardless of what Americans want.

I did not know that +2% vote tally was a mandate.

Piss poor mandate if you ask me. The Philadelphia Teamsters could manufacture that many votes in an afternoon!

Pffft!

Originally posted by HunkaHunka

I'll tell you who is scared.

The GOP.

They are about to witness the power of a mandate... the power of the majority.

I hope you like Universal Healthcare because the democratic majority *will* pass Kennedy Care.

Originally posted by jam321
reply to post by HunkaHunka

 

HAHA... that's hilarious. You are comparing two completely different sets of cultured people. One born and raised on TV and Fritos, the other praying to the east 6 or 7 times a day.

You really shouldn't underestimate the will and heart of a person willing to fight for what he/she believes in.

Oh I don't, but there is one immutable truth about social change. There is no revolution when the belly is full.

Sorry, it's just the way things happen.

Originally posted by Gateway
reply to post by HunkaHunka

 

The Democrats can pass whatever they like, but by that same TOKEN the States can exercise their 10th amendment right, and not follow or implement what the FEDERAL government dictates.

The STATES can also Secede, if they so choose.

My question is WILL the democrats, go after BLOOD, and actually send FEDERAL TROOPS risking and KILLING their own people into States that want to Secede, SO THAT THEY CAN HAVE THEIR SOCIALIST PROGRAM?


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Hope not, I say go on, leave.

Maybe it is best for both

Originally posted by FlyersFan

Originally posted by HunkaHunka
I hope you like Universal Healthcare because the democratic majority *will* pass Kennedy Care.

No I dont' like Obamacare and most Americans don't want it.
So what you are saying is that the dems will push through what
America doesn't want. Welcome to the democratic nanny state of 2009
where the 'democratic majority' in office will do whatever the hell they
want regardless of what Americans want.

A lot of Americans do want it though. And there is a majority of the party representing that concern in capitol hill right now.

I simply think it's democracy.

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Hope not, I say go on, leave. Maybe it is best for both

Since we don't have YET A MANDATED socialist health care system in this country, IT is YOU METAL MODULATOR, that is free to fly off to CUBA, Venezuela or the UK or even Canada. Where they ALREADY HAVE what you want so bad.

Good bye...and good riddance...



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The thing about those aircraft, carriers, tanks and so on?

A lot of them are manned by Texans, Georgians, men from New Hampshire, Colorado, Wyoming, Alabama, Tennessee, Kentucky, South Carolina, Virginia, North Carolina, Arkansas, Oklahoma, Arizona, New Mexico, Louisianna, Florida, Missouri, Kansas, on and on, and on.

Now if a state wants to secede, not only will they succeed, but a raft of other states would jump in and do the same thing.

And if you feel like it's your duty to come down here and set us straight, you'd do better baring your ass to a chainsaw.

It's not going to be the highly industrialized North against the highly agrarian South.

New states, new players, new industries, new game.

Maybe you'd best stay home.

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So to you, because these things occurred or congress let these thing occur, they therefore equate with democracy:

1) TARP is an act of Democracy....

2) Billions of dollars in bail-out to GM & Chrysler is Democracy...

3) Spying on American people is Democracy...

4) War with Iraq is Democracy...

5) Trillions in Debt for Americans is Democracy...

You're not getting the picture...it's one thing for congress to pass something under the guise of Democracy, BUT IT is far FROM DEMOCRATIC...much less Republic to pass these things regardless of the the will of the people. What you are proposing is not Democracy...IT IS TYRANNY.

Well if the Dems do this it'll be the last democratic prisidency in our lifetimes and they'll sure hate 2010. Wont happen imo,they're bluffing.

I live in Georgia and anyone coming out of Florida thinks they'll make it to Texas to fire on civilians, well you better pack your lunch.

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Originally posted by Gateway
reply to post by mental modulator

 

Hope not, I say go on, leave. Maybe it is best for both

Since we don't have YET A MANDATED socialist health care system in this country, IT is YOU METAL MODULATOR, that is free to fly off to CUBA, Venezuela or the UK or even Canada. Where they ALREADY HAVE what you want so bad.

Good bye...and good riddance...



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No thanks, I am an AMERICAN, however I do not enjoy paying $50 an aspirin- I'm not
gonna play the fool role you cast yourself in and justify the legitimacy of such practices.
You and your legions will keep it just this way and your ridged ideology will be the sheepdog.

I think if all these states are so unhappy with the processes of united states government they should free themselves already. Seems fine to expand, expand, expand when the populace of these red states have a good ol boy in there.

In the future if you still want to pay $50 for an aspirin you are free to do so Gaeway and I will be glad to sell them to you.

Originally posted by Gateway
reply to post by HunkaHunka

 

So to you, because these things occurred or congress let these thing occur, they therefore equate with democracy:

1) TARP is an act of Democracy....

And saved our a$$ or extended the problem depending on who you believe.

2) Billions of dollars in bail-out to GM & Chrysler is Democracy...

Once again... acts of congress may not be in line with your desires, but that doesn't make it any less democratic.

3) Spying on American people is Democracy...

Well that's more of the Republic side of our government. That was an executive thing.

4) War with Iraq is Democracy...

As much as I hated it... it was. It was voted on by our elected representatives.... so yes it was an act of Democracy.

5) Trillions in Debt for Americans is Democracy...

At the end of the day , it was....

You're not getting the picture...it's one thing for congress to pass something under the guise of Democracy, BUT IT is far FROM DEMOCRATIC...much less Republic to pass these things regardless of the the will of the people. What you are proposing is not Democracy...IT IS TYRANNY.

What makes you think you know the will of the people?

Just because you hear one pundit or another resonating with your concerns?

Everytime someone doesn't want something they say gov isn't listening to the American People, yet I don't think you are. Many of us wanted these very things.

I'm sorry but democracy doesn't have to have good results. They may not be actions you agree with, that doesn't make it any less democratic.

There is no tyranny here, except in your mind. For example... you are free to leave if you don't like our democratic process. Or you can run for office.

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You fall into this pattern I see rampant not only here in these forums, but elsewhere across the country.
If someone disagrees with what the democrats are doing they are obviously a red "good ole' boy?"

Screw your generalizations. I protest BOTH of these idiotic idealogies.

Both sides have their agendas and by playing the good cop/bad cop routine, they pander to the ignorance of people who don't know any better and the end result is both sides getting all of their objectives achieved eventually all the while they are playing you like a puppet.
That's right, dance.

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The congress never authorized war in Iraq.
I stopped reading your post there.

Originally posted by JayinAR
reply to post by mental modulator

 

You fall into this pattern I see rampant not only here in these forums, but elsewhere across the country.
If someone disagrees with what the democrats are doing they are obviously a red "good ole' boy?"

Screw your generalizations.

and screw your idealism that thinks it has not been this way since the beginning of time... Do you think magically we are going to agree with each other sir, shall I lay down and let the wind blow me around?


I am addressing these same SOB's who didn't say a goddamned thing when Bush was stripping down the constitution, paying off the banks, wasting $1,000,000,000,000 in the desert. FAKE sheep, you just want your people you relate to back, I think you could give half a crap about the PEOPLE in this country.




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health care for all, fair insurance......Why is no one discussing WHERE THE HELL THE MONEY is going to come from for these lofty goals?

We are broke!!!! If our debt is or has to be monetized, there will be enough dollars printed to make your gallon of gas cost $45.00 or more....

Willing to do that on top of 49% income taxes for all to get what is in the House bill?

Originally posted by habu71

health care for all, fair insurance......Why is no one discussing WHERE THE HELL THE MONEY is going to come from for these lofty goals?

We are broke!!!! If our debt is or has to be monetized, there will be enough dollars printed to make your gallon of gas cost $45.00 or more....

Willing to do that on top of 49% income taxes for all to get what is in the House bill?

Screw health care for all, what about paying $120.00 for a hospital meal, $50 for 1000mg
of aspirin, while are busy taking about one point we miss the boat on other things.

Originally posted by mental modulator
No thanks, I am an AMERICAN, however I do not enjoy paying $50 an aspirin- I'm not
gonna play the fool role you cast yourself in and justify the legitimacy of such practices.

You are free as any other American not to pay that price. However, I've never heard of anyone paying $50 to buy aspirin...

If you live in a State that sells aspirin for $50, then that could only be the RESULT of A MONOPOLY mandated by the State, or some other government interference in the marketplace. Since in Capitalism, other companies would compete to bring down the price to where demand equals supply.

If however EVERYONE pays $50 dollars for said aspirin, it could only probably be as a result of living in a miserable "STATE" do you live in NY, MA, or perhaps CA? Where the state government can't get their act together. Therefore the entire populous suffers from migraines as a result of incompetent leaders, thus driving the price of aspirin to $50. If so, regardless of the irresponsible State government you find yourself living in, it seems that PEOPLE are willing to pay $50 for aspirin, and it only appears that YOU have a problem with it.

If you do not like said market price for $50, again perhaps a different coarse of action should be taken like moving to other areas where you pay less for your aspirin.

You and your legions will keep it just this way and your ridged ideology will be the sheepdog.

A sheepdog implies I am or others are leading you around. Again, if you don't like being lured around you have freedom of movement and free to move to where you see fit.

I think if all these states are so unhappy with the processes of united states government they should free themselves already.

It's a slow and delicate process. The steps or steps have been taken for States to RECLAIM their power under the constitution, if not then they can seceede. It just takes continued FEDERAL powers to over-step their authority. Then...you can kiss the UNION...bye bye.

Seems fine to expand, expand, expand when the populace of these red states have a good ol boy in there.

Are you blind? I and probably most people were not happy about government expansion during the BUSH years. What MAKES you think PEOPLE or this MOVEMENT WOULD end with OBAMA?

Obama is BUSH on steroids...he's continuing...scratch that HE'S EXPANDING the role of government. You think people should except this expansion because a democrat is in the White House?

In the future if you still want to pay $50 for an aspirin you are free to do so Gaeway and I will be glad to sell them to you.

Again...here you miss simple demand and supply. You may supply them at $50, but I don't have to buy it at that price. Prices are set by consumers not suppliers. Anyone can sell anything at whatever price they want....but see if anyone buys it.





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