GOP senator warns of 'minor revolution' over health care

Originally posted by DYepes
Not that its gooing to come to that. People are just blowing steam. Cruise missles, F-22's, and Aircraft carriers belong to the Fed, not individual states. It just would not last any longer than a few days to be honest, if that.

None of that is needed. Just cut off their utilities and deny in/outbound travel and communications. They will be crying "Uncle" [Sam] in no time flat.

reply to post by WTFover

Absolutely! I know I'll catch flack for this, but...The government is already tasked with controlling our borders and they don't. Enforcing our immigration laws, alone, would have a dramatic effect on health care costs.

No flack here.

In theory I would say you are correct. But in reality, I think it would have little effect in reducing costs. IMO, there is just too much greed out there seeking the maximum profit. Whatever illegals truly cost us will merely be transferred to the 47 million uninsured or applied to some other expense category.

Since we're talking about costs, I'll throw in this for kicks.

Power-driven wheelchairs are costing Medicare and its beneficiaries nearly four times what suppliers pay for them, and competitive bidding could have reduced those costs, according to an inspector general's report released Wednesday.

A standard power wheelchair costs the federal health insurance program for seniors an average of $4,018 to lease, compared with $1,048 for suppliers to buy, the Department of Health and Human Services' internal watchdog reported.

"Medicare and its beneficiaries paid suppliers an average of $2,970 beyond the supplier's acquisition cost to perform an average of five services and cover general business costs," the report found.

The difference was not as dramatic for more advanced wheelchairs used for physical rehabilitation patients, but at an average lease of $11,507, those chairs still cost Medicare about twice as much as the $5,880 paid by suppliers,

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Originally posted by JayinAR
reply to post by mental modulator

 

And my answer is that it doesn't f#in matter.
The only way to change it is through... well, you know what.

IT matters to me, my family, my future kids -

This is pointless then

reply to post by JayinAR

Too bad we dont read history, eh?
We may have seen it coming in time to do something about it.

Now we do nothing because we dont think anything can be done.
We will have no choice -before long- about much of any of it, I'm afraid.
I hope I am wrong.
I dont think a reset would be pretty.

Took a long time to get were we are at already.
A major contraction is inevitable at this point.
One day the wells will dry up in other words.
The question is how will we deal with it when we know of no other way???

reply to post by mental modulator


Apparently, according to the OP it IS pointless.
This is happening, like it or not.

To clarify, like it or not, the costs are going to AT LEAST remain the same.
Government ran or not.

I MYSELF, am of the opinion that cost may drop a little initially, but they will rise dramatically immediately thereafter.
If not in way of a direct bill on your W2, but through the price of milk.

I promise you, if this passes, we are F#ed.
People need to consider what they are accepting. Problem is, they won't.


[edit on 3-9-2009 by JayinAR]

Originally posted by JayinAR
reply to post by HunkaHunka

 

The congress never authorized war in Iraq.
I stopped reading your post there.

Wow... really?

An authorization by Congress was sought by President George W. Bush soon after his September 12, 2002 statement before the U.N. General Assembly asking for quick action by the Security Council in enforcing the resolutions against Iraq.[4][5]

Of the legislation introduced by Congress in response to the President Bush's requests[6], S.J.Res. 45 sponsored by Sen. Daschle & Sen. Lott was based on the original White House proposal authorizing the use of force in Iraq, H.J.Res. 114 sponsored by Rep. Hastert & Rep. Gephardt and the substantially similar S.J.Res. 46 sponsored by Sen. Lieberman were modified proposals. H.J.Res. 110 sponsored by Rep. Hastings was a separate proposal never considered on the floor. Eventually, the Hastert-Gephardt proposal became the primary legislation that Congress began to focus working on.

Introduced in Congress on October 2, 2002 in conjunction with the Administration's proposals[2][7], H.J.Res. 114 passed the House of Representatives on Thursday afternoon at 3:05 p.m. EDT on October 10, 2002 by a vote of 296-133,[8] and passed the Senate after midnight early Friday morning at 12:50 a.m. EDT on October 11, 2002 by a vote of 77-23.[9] It was signed into law as Pub.L. 107-243 by President Bush on October 16, 2002.

Originally posted by dodadoom
reply to post by JayinAR

 

One day the wells will dry up in other words.
The question is how will we deal with it when we know of no other way???

Its okay, when it is all over we will have BOFA, CHASE, WALMART and BLUE CROSS

to make sure competition ensures this never happens again...

But MA and PA will compete, offer lower prices, better products and everything will be right.

reply to post by HunkaHunka


Did you read what you just posted?

Originally posted by JayinAR
reply to post by mental modulator

 

Apparently, according to the OP it IS pointless.
This is happening, like it or not.

To clarify, like it or not, the costs are going to AT LEAST remain the same.
Government ran or not.

I MYSELF, am of the opinion that cost may drop a little initially, but they will rise dramatically immediately thereafter.
If not in way of a direct bill on your W2, but through the price of milk.

I promise you, if this passes, we are F#ed.
People need to consider what they are accepting. Problem is, they won't.


[edit on 3-9-2009 by JayinAR]

How about a law saying you can only charge $30 for a $1.50 pillow? as opposed to $200

Or a CEO can only make $1.5 million a year salary as opposed to 35 million?

I mean I am not allowed to go to a disaster area and sell a readily needed product for
100's of percent on the original cost,,, by LAW.

Pass laws, and leave it be, do not fund it.

???

reply to post by mental modulator


Yep, laws is what we definately need, right?
Wrong.

You pass a law regulating insurance and watch as insurance stagnates even more.
Until eventually it is pointless at all.

reply to post by mental modulator

You are exactly right!
Explains many problems besides health care.
Also explains why people are actually put out on the curb if they cant pay!
What kind of world do we live in anyway?
The lack of compassion shown towards others by some makes me ill.
This is the best we can do? Wow.
And some of us think greed is good because of why again?
As long as a profit is made its all good?

Originally posted by JayinAR
reply to post by mental modulator

 

Wrong.

You pass a law regulating insurance and watch as insurance stagnates even more.
Until eventually it is pointless at all.

By what measure???

What do you mean by stagnate?

IT is pointless to discuss this with you,,, you are throwing your hands up and giving up.

Or you care more about the way you feel about the whole thing, than results...

If you mean stagnates, you mean the RECORD PROFITS or the RECORD premiums.

Do you just not want to discuss this?

Originally posted by dodadoom
reply to post by mental modulator

 

Also explains why people are actually put out on the curb if they cant pay!
What kind of world do we live in anyway?
The lack of compassion shown towards others by some makes me ill.
This is the best we can do? Wow.
And some of us think greed is good because of why again?
As long as a profit is made its all good?

I just spent two hours of my life trying to discuss HC solutions that would not include GOVERNMENT FUNDING and no one bothered to tell me until now that they don't care.

We are SO screwed!


[edit on 3-9-2009 by mental modulator]

reply to post by mental modulator


Just like you said earlier.
The profit margin is too large to ever let this succeed.
The ptb will never go for it and indeed are throwing everything
they can at it! (over 1500 lobbyists I believe)
If we care I'll look it up for sure.

The most ironic thing?
The people screaming against it the loudest are probably the ones
who would be helped the most!
(Like my dittohead buddy with his newest $30,000 doctor prescribed hospital bill)
(of course he has insurance, how can you tell?)

Paying for war, bailouts and rich only tax cuts are okey dokey but,
talk about actually helping people instead of killing them? Forget it.

Edit to add doctor prescribed and dittohead!






[edit on 3-9-2009 by dodadoom]

Originally posted by dodadoom
reply to post by mental modulator

 

The most ironic thing?
The people screaming against it the loudest are probably the ones
who would be helped the most!
(Like my buddy with his newest $30,000 hospital bill)
(of course he has insurance, can you tell?)

Paying for war, bailouts and rich only tax cuts are okey dokey but,
talk about actually helping people instead of killing them? Forget it.

I know, its a great thing gotta love it

I really don't get it... I really don't

Why don't people just say "I don't want to change anything BECAUSE!!!"

AH but watch the next war - DEFEND FREEDOMS!

OF OTHER COUNTRIES

FOR a TRILLION dollars

Its like a nightmare

[edit on 3-9-2009 by mental modulator]

reply to post by mental modulator

Or as George Carlin says:
you gotta be asleep to beleive it!
yap, time for a video now.
Not enough bad words to describe the sitiation anymore.....

potty talk warning!

reply to post by Mak Manto


You'd be surprised, slick.

Maybe you should do some research into the resources and industy that Texas has/provides to the US.

Fail?

Don't make me laugh.

Bring your happy little socialist arses across our border if we secede and see how far you'd make it.

About 45-50% of the US Military is composed of these (little states that won't secede because they'd fail.) Oh! Something you also failed to learn is that if that does happen - we get to leave and go home, hands free.

So when you start running your mouth in this anonymous setting, just remember that while you may think this is all some big joke, Texas has 3 of the largest Army bases in the US - a naval port - and an airforce base. Our national guard (composed of OH! Texans) is the largest in the US.

So.

Bring it.

Fail...... lmao - omg. The ignorance.

At least we'd get the border situation fixed.....

[edit on 3-9-2009 by mf_luder]

Originally posted by DYepes
Secession is treason. If anyone wants to cede, than get ready to be rocked. Besides, Texas has a bill every single year for secession, and its always voted down. Just an FYI, if you do end up in a secessionist state, just stay indoors. I wont be the only one in the ranks making sure states do not leave the union.

We suppposed to be adding more states anyways.

If you're military - which I'm not too sure by your post.

1) If you would willingly try to come into a seceded state that left peacefully and hurt anyone - you wouldn't last long. I'm military and have been for nearly 8 years. I've talked a LOT of people who said they'd go home if it happened. So. Stay indoors? Please. What did you shoot on your last qual?

2) If a state seceded, you're saying you'd immediately treat the civilians and former military - plus that state's leaders as you would an Iraqi combatant? Maybe you should stop being so narrow minded. YOU SWORE IN TO UPHOLD THE CONSTITUTION. If the government starts destroying it or blatantly ignoring it - wow...... I'd rethink my loyalties.

3) As I said before. Come on in if you're feeling big. Chances are, a rifle hunter would pick you off before you ever even saw Texas state guard, police, etc.......

Cheers!

Originally posted by DYepes
The only ones causeing instability annd disharmony are the ones talking about revolution because our leader is trying to pass reform that will assist the health of our entire population. Its kind of odd that a few of yall want to start a war for something that would even bring your health care costts down, but whatever.

See you on the field I guess, or not whatever.

Why do you automatically assume a state would leave and start violence? What are you? A E-1 infantryman right out of AIT??!?!!?

I can say for a fact if Texas ever actually seceded, we'd leave without causing a ruckus. I'm sure some knickers would get in a twist in D.C. but oh well.....

You make me worry about the future of the Army, kid.

Originally posted by mf_luder
reply to post by Mak Manto

 

At least we'd get the border situation fixed.....

[edit on 3-9-2009 by mf_luder]

Ya on all sides...

Leave already, do it!!!

We will all be happier -