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GOP senator warns of 'minor revolution' over health care

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posted on Sep, 2 2009 @ 08:11 PM
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I don't give a damn what people think about my opinions.
What I see is clear as day. Obama has changed NOTHING but the face that is selling the same set of f#ed up goals.
His administration is comprised of the same idiots that made up the LAST criminal organization.
They have merely shifted their focus to another set of goals.

And idiots buy it all.




posted on Sep, 2 2009 @ 08:18 PM
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Originally posted by JayinAR
The Federal Government is overstepping its bounds YET AGAIN with this crap.
It is as simple as that. Socialized ANYTHING is a disgrace to the Constitution of this Country.

It sickens me that military personnel wouldn't understand this. I mean, they swore to protect the integrity of that piece of paper.
I guess they never bothered reading the damned thing!


Tell us Mr Tattoo artist. Who pays your medical bills if god forbid you fall off that cliff in front of you? Are you a slave to a company with BS Benefits or do you pay for medical needs out of your own pocket? If the latter then you could perform 500 tattoos and still not even afford your anesthesiologist.

[edit on 2-9-2009 by Wormwood Squirm]



posted on Sep, 2 2009 @ 08:21 PM
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I had completely forgotten that I had that "title" up.
I'm not a tattoo artist at all. It is a line from Talledegah Nights. Ricky Bobby's dad goes to school to talk about what he does for a living and says: "I'm a SEMI PROFESSIONAL Racecar driver and an AMATEUR tattoo artist."

Eh, whatever.

Actually, I am a disabled vet. I am entitled to 100% free medical care provided by the Government.
Yet I am covered by Blue Cross Blue Shield through my employer.

I don't want their damned insurance.
I am not a slave to the system.



posted on Sep, 2 2009 @ 08:24 PM
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Cheers then Jay. Respect brother. You are lucky to have coverage for life. Now stop and think of the millions of others who have nothing and stand to lose their whole home, family life etc just because they might get sick or have a drunk driver plow into them. It is not fair for some to have coverage while others are forgotten.



posted on Sep, 2 2009 @ 08:24 PM
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Originally posted by JayinAR
reply to post by mental modulator
 


I don't give a damn what people think about my opinions.
What I see is clear as day. Obama has changed NOTHING but the face that is selling the same set of f#ed up goals.
His administration is comprised of the same idiots that made up the LAST criminal organization.
They have merely shifted their focus to another set of goals.

And idiots buy it all.



Do you not see that this whole thing is being co-opted for political gains.
You said they have the same set of f#@$ up goals but merely shifted their focus to another set of goals?

You are talking about the top... I am talking here on the ground,,, WITF are we not PROTESTING $50 aspirin? At this rate all we are gonna get is the same as has been
for 40 years. It gets worse every year, YOU will be paying 100%+ what you are paying
now in ten years for a crappier policy, hey but at least the PTB isn't achieving anything.

Damn right, we won't achieve squat



posted on Sep, 2 2009 @ 08:25 PM
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I don't use it.
2nd line.



posted on Sep, 2 2009 @ 08:27 PM
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First of all, I have never seen aspirin sell for 50 bucks.
And if I needed aspirin and they tried to charge me that much for it, I might go to jail for assault after I threw the bottle at the clerk's face.

Secondly, and it has been spoken about quite a bit here, we DON'T HAVE THE MONEY. You are looking at a situation where the Government is going to do this TO MAKE MONEY!
Yeah, your doc. bills will be covered, but you won't be able to afford groceries.



posted on Sep, 2 2009 @ 08:28 PM
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Originally posted by JayinAR
reply to post by Wormwood Squirm
 


I had completely forgotten that I had that "title" up.
I'm not a tattoo artist at all. It is a line from Talledegah Nights. Ricky Bobby's dad goes to school to talk about what he does for a living and says: "I'm a SEMI PROFESSIONAL Racecar driver and an AMATEUR tattoo artist."

Eh, whatever.

Actually, I am a disabled vet. I am entitled to 100% free medical care provided by the Government.
Yet I am covered by Blue Cross Blue Shield through my employer.

I don't want their damned insurance.
I am not a slave to the system.


Who do you think BLUE CROSS IS???

BLUE CROSS IS the system, they have written their own ticket since inception...



posted on Sep, 2 2009 @ 08:32 PM
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Oh snap!
I hadn't had time to put that much together.

Weird circumstance here. It will sound out of place, but I tell no lie.
My employers JUST NOW, as of September 1st switched to Blue Cross.

We used to be covered by United.

They are doing this in advance of the reform.



posted on Sep, 2 2009 @ 08:33 PM
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Originally posted by JayinAR
reply to post by mental modulator
 


First of all, I have never seen aspirin sell for 50 bucks.
And if I needed aspirin and they tried to charge me that much for it, I might go to jail for assault after I threw the bottle at the clerk's face.

Secondly, and it has been spoken about quite a bit here, we DON'T HAVE THE MONEY. You are looking at a situation where the Government is going to do this TO MAKE MONEY!
Yeah, your doc. bills will be covered, but you won't be able to afford groceries.


Do you know what they charge for a meal in the hospital? Aspirin?

Do you know what the insurance company bills the pool you belong to?

I am not selling Government healthcare here, I agree we are broke, but that doesn't me we just sit on our duffs and take it or LEAVE IT ALL.

YOUR employer pays too much for the policy they afford you, I am all about doing something, seems like you are the one happy in your situation. Well many are not
so don't expect everyone to sit around and take this BS system the way it is.



posted on Sep, 2 2009 @ 08:36 PM
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Yes, the hospital charges outrageous sums.
But that won't change when the Gov runs the insurance.
A prime example are the already existing GOVERNMENT operated hospitals.
We have one here where I live.
Washington Regional.
200 bucks for a pillow.



posted on Sep, 2 2009 @ 08:42 PM
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Originally posted by JayinAR
reply to post by mental modulator
 


Oh snap!
I hadn't had time to put that much together.

Weird circumstance here. It will sound out of place, but I tell no lie.
My employers JUST NOW, as of September 1st switched to Blue Cross.

We used to be covered by United.

They are doing this in advance of the reform.



LOOK Blue cross, can assign any price to anything they want.

A meal in the hospital costs, from $80.00 to $150.00 because the insurance companies DECIDES a meal costs that much.

That is expensive LIKE room service for a Lobster dinner...

DO you think a hospital dinner is worth that much?

Then way the hell do we let them ROB us like that?

Your employer ends up paying for the price of all these MEALS as the premium increases every year. Mean while they don't have money to give you a raise because
that money went to INSURANCE.



posted on Sep, 2 2009 @ 08:46 PM
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Originally posted by JayinAR
reply to post by mental modulator
 


Yes, the hospital charges outrageous sums.
But that won't change when the Gov runs the insurance.
A prime example are the already existing GOVERNMENT operated hospitals.
We have one here where I live.
Washington Regional.
200 bucks for a pillow.





I don't want government healthcare - I want the debate to be about why in the hell a hospital is allowed to charge so much for a bloody pillow.

As it is we are gonna keep it this way cause the whole discussion has been shot to hell.

So in 10 years you or who ever else can pay $400.00 for a pillow...



posted on Sep, 2 2009 @ 08:46 PM
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Originally posted by HunkaHunka

And saved our a$$ or extended the problem depending on who you believe.
I don't believe, anything. I analyze for myself problems and then reach conclusions. Let's not be hypocrites here: If you think giving TRILLIONS to foreign banks and other financial institutions for JUNK, was a-okay. Then you have no right to complain about corporatism and welfare for the rich.

Why not give a few billion to Netscape, Mervyns, circuit city...ect and numerous other companies that went bankrupt? Why not, billions where lost, thousands lost their jobs?

YOU AGAIN FAILED TO UNDERSTAND THE CONCEPT: If people didn't want this, is it democratic to PASS it anyway? According to you it is...





Once again... acts of congress may not be in line with your desires, but that doesn't make it any less democratic.
Let me get this strait...

If the congress acts, regardless of the WILL of its people is therefore acting DEMOCRATIC? Huh?

This is not an act of democracy but an act of tyranny, despotism, and absolutism.

How old are you?



Well that's more of the Republic side of our government. That was an executive thing.
You didn't answer the question: Was this act as a result of people wanting to be spied on, regardless of the constitution?

On another note, isn't this whole Healthcare issue also being brought about mainly as a result of the executive's agenda? Isn't this an executive thing as well?

He can propose it, congress can pass it, but also the states don't have to go along with it. Sorry, that's also part of the constitution. The ACT of not GOING ALONG with the federal government TOO, IS ALSO A FORM OF DEMOCRACY. Let's not be shortsighted...






As much as I hated it... it was. It was voted on by our elected representatives.... so yes it was an act of Democracy.


Oh oh...you just showed your ignorance of our Constitution. Which strictly states that CONGRESS SHALL HAVE THE POWER TO DECLARE WAR...not the president. For a person who claims to hate the WAR you...JUST TRIED TO JUSTIFY IT.




At the end of the day , it was....
At then end of the day...NOTHING. They WENT against the WILL of the people.

Here instead of siding with the citizens and their money you side with the inflationists, the spenders, the war machine, and corporatism.

You just reveled yourself for the biggest hypocrite YOU are, and you didn't even know it!!




What makes you think you know the will of the people?

I would say, I'm more in tuned to their wishes, rather than you.

I'm saying that logic states that the American people:

1)Didn't want the bail-out
2)want to end the war in Iraq
3)Didn't want to bail-out GM or others
4)Don't want the federal government to be increased
5)Don't want the deficit to keep growing.

Am I wrong here? Or are you saying you are more in touch, and thus they want all the things I mentioned above?



Everytime someone doesn't want something they say gov isn't listening to the American People, yet I don't think you are. Many of us wanted these very things.
Sure, MANY of you. But MANY DOES not mean EVERYONE or the Majority.



I'm sorry but democracy doesn't have to have good results. They may not be actions you agree with, that doesn't make it any less democratic.
Exactly, and if the majority of Americans want to sink this bill, or end further government encroachment is this not their right?

You keep TALKING about DEMOCRACY...YET you deny it TO THOSE that don't want things YOU "THE MANY" THAT you keep talking about want.




There is no tyranny here, except in your mind. For example... you are free to leave if you don't like our democratic process. Or you can run for office.
If there is no tyranny HERE, then the FEDERAL government CANNOT impose its WILL ON THE STATES. YOU claim that their is no TYRANNY, THEN STAND together with those states that constitutionally don't want to FOLLOW FEDERAL MANDATES. Are you going to do that, HunkaHunka? Or be the little TYRANT that I think you might be and pound your FIST ON THE TABLE AND DEMAND THAT TEXAS OR any other STATE abide by the will of the FEDERAL GOVERNMENT or wish for WAR, DEATH, AND DESTRUCTION for your fellow Americans.


[edit on 2-9-2009 by Gateway]



posted on Sep, 2 2009 @ 08:54 PM
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The facts don't match the premise.

Gallup



August 12, 2009
More Disapprove than Approve of Obama on Healthcare
Forty-nine percent of Americans currently say they disapprove of President Barack Obama's handling of healthcare policy, while 43% say they approve, similar to views expressed in mid-July.


Rasmussen Reports


Fifty-one percent (51%) of all voters say the cost of health care will go up if the reform proposal passes. Nineteen percent (19%) say costs will go down, and 21% say they will stay the same.

Voters in all age and income groups, again by large margins, believe passage of the reform measure will drive up health care costs.






Polling Report



The winds are definitely changing.

I don't vote for either R's or D's anymore but I don't trust the government to run healthcare.



posted on Sep, 2 2009 @ 09:02 PM
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Maybe you missed the part about how it is the government that is charging that much for a pillow.

I don't want them in charge of the ENTIRE scam.
Hell, they already have their claws in part of it and look at it.



posted on Sep, 2 2009 @ 09:06 PM
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Originally posted by Blaine91555
The facts don't match the premise.

Gallup



August 12, 2009
More Disapprove than Approve of Obama on Healthcare
Forty-nine percent of Americans currently say they disapprove of President Barack Obama's handling of healthcare policy, while 43% say they approve, similar to views expressed in mid-July.


Rasmussen Reports


Fifty-one percent (51%) of all voters say the cost of health care will go up if the reform proposal passes. Nineteen percent (19%) say costs will go down, and 21% say they will stay the same.

Voters in all age and income groups, again by large margins, believe passage of the reform measure will drive up health care costs.






Polling Report



The winds are definitely changing.

I don't vote for either R's or D's anymore but I don't trust the government to run healthcare.


Well for the love of god can we trust our selves enough to change the things that are messed?

Christ this has all been a round about way to do NOTHING, GOP likes it the way it is and you and I will PAY - cause we disagreed to do nothing


Do you guys not care about your own wallets?



posted on Sep, 2 2009 @ 09:07 PM
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In reference to Blue Cross, I was agreeing with you.
Go to Blue Cross's website. They are pushing for Obama's reform. Why? Because that will be the route that the Gov takes.
Blue Cross is already a Government tied insurance company.
I can't believe I didn't realize that when my employer told us we were switching!

But it misses the point.

The Government already charges these outrageous prices you speak of. When they have control of the insurance, that won't change.
What will change is that all of that money that is made in profit will go into Government coffers.
And when they have the industry locked down (insurance) they will raise their rates to offset their net losses across the boards.

Look, if we allow them to push this through, mark the words I have spoken in this thread. People will regret it later.

People like to say "but Holland is happy, and they are socialist"... Yeah, but Holland isn't the world's foremost superpower and inherently evil in the way that they conduct their foreign AND domestic policy.

Point blank - THIS GOVERNMENT DOESN'T GIVE A DAMN ABOUT YOU!!!!
At all.
They will profit on your tears. Mark it down.



posted on Sep, 2 2009 @ 09:09 PM
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I misspelled there, Jimmy.

I meant that Republicans do use fear.



posted on Sep, 2 2009 @ 09:10 PM
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Do you guys not care about your own wallets?


Uh....I would say so. Doesn't an increase in government have to paid for with something? i.e. the stuff that's in my wallet.

I think you don't care what's in my wallet, for you only care so long as you can reach in-there and take some of it out to spend.

IF YOU REALLY CARED ABOUT WHAT'S IN MY WALLET, THEN DON'T TRY TO REACH IN THERE.

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