Stone Age Murder: Spear Wound Shows Human Killed Neanderthal

Stone Age Murder: Spear Wound Shows Human Killed Neanderthal

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Newly analyzed remains suggest that a modern human killed a Neanderthal man in what is now Iraq between 50,000 and 75,000 years ago.

The finding is scant but tantalizing evidence for a theory that modern humans helped to kill off the Neanderthals.

The probable weapon of choice: A thrown spear.

The evidence: A lethal wound on the remains of a Neanderthal skeleton.

The victim: A 40- to 50-year-old male, now called Shanidar 3, with signs of arthritis and a sharp, deep slice in his left ninth rib.

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The evidence is a little sketchy but it is still in the realm of possibilities.

Perhaps Neanderthal and humans weren't so friendly with each other after all. Or this could have been an isolated incident.

As time goes on it will be interesting to see what the scientists theorize about the interactions.


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There is no link.Given that, what's to say it wasn't neanderthal on neanderthal violence?

I saw this earlier and wondered why it's news.

I didnt realize we were all living under the assumption that murder is some new thing.

Maybe I'm missing the point of the news.

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Well you'd have to be an idiot to think that the smarter species wasn 't messing with the less advanced one.

That's still very apparent in our society today, we just all refer to ourselves as humans now.

I think it's great that they are continually studying our past, the more they dig up, the more it contradicts the official story of ancient humanism.

~Keeper

I added the link.

Here it is again .

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It's worth reading.

The victim: A 40- to 50-year-old male, now called Shanidar 3, with signs of arthritis and a sharp, deep slice in his left ninth rib.

Wow....isn't that OLD for one of our distant relatives? That's a life span like the 1800's...they must have eaten right or something.

So 'the man' was keeping us down even back then, huh? Stickin' a spear in an old man's side. The earliest recorded mugging?

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And what official story is that? I've never seen any suggestion from a serious source that paleolithic people lived in some sort of Edenic paradise. Quite the opposite.

Maybe you're considering Jean Auel as a "source" rather than a writer of cave porn?

Originally posted by KSPigpen

The victim: A 40- to 50-year-old male, now called Shanidar 3, with signs of arthritis and a sharp, deep slice in his left ninth rib.

Wow....isn't that OLD for one of our distant relatives? That's a life span like the 1800's...they must have eaten right or something.

So 'the man' was keeping us down even back then, huh? Stickin' a spear in an old man's side. The earliest recorded mugging?

I think that infant mortality kept the average age very low.

You'll never know who started it, but poor Shanidr 3 lost in the end.

Originally posted by TheWalkingFox
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And what official story is that? I've never seen any suggestion from a serious source that paleolithic people lived in some sort of Edenic paradise. Quite the opposite.

Maybe you're considering Jean Auel as a "source" rather than a writer of cave porn?

I would consider Jean M. Auel a reputable source since all of her novels are meticulously researched material by experts in the fields she writes about. If you read any of them you would know that in her forwards and acknowledgments she cites every expert by name.

Acknowledgements by Jean in The Mammoth Hunters, pg. vii

I could never have told the story without the books and materials of the specialists who have worked at the sites and have collected the artifacts of our prehistoric ancestors...

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Hahah no, don't be so quick to jump the gun. I am not one of the garden of eden types my friend.

What I mean is the blatant lie we are told about the origins of humans and how most archeological evidence that we uncover these days directly contradicts the work of Archeologists who will scream until they are red in the face that these new findings are bs.

Things have never been hunky-dory between man and whatever species came before it. If dolphins were to spring legs and come up on land, you can bet your bottom dollar we'd start an extermination race.

~Keeper

I heard about this on the radio here in Norway in december last year.
Cro-magnon man killed off the Neanders..

i think that the ones got ridd of them cause they did mount to no good !!

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And why is it that all neaders they find suffers from athrites ??
Maby not neaderthal, just and sick all man ??

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I have read her books. That's why I mentioned her. She does research, but as a romantic fiction writer looking for accurate props, not as an anthropologist.

Thanks for posting this story, I've only skimmed it through for now. Tired. The Shanidar Neanderthals are intriguing mysteries. A lot of information has been gained from the remains, but it's hard to put it in context. Some bones were broken and others had markings of stone blades. The information is all there...circumstances are up for interpretation. The story might receive more attention in the A&LC section.

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I'm still very curious about what, in particular, you're talking about here. I'm also not sure how argument in the scientific community could ever be considered a bad thing...

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I'm not an anthropology expert either but I do compare her novels to archaeologic finds and anthropological studies. She is not far off in her imaginings. The romantic novel part is fun, but I love learning about the various uses for plants in healing and cooking. Not to mention other ideas that would help one survive in a situation without modern technology.

She didn't invent the wheel, she created a believable, authentic (as much as can be) story using historical facts as her guide.

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Ohh well it's a little off topic. But the rise in civilizations in general. Granted there is less evidence to support this theory for neanderthal and cro-magnon man since the time difference between us and them is so fast.

But if you look at cultures such as the Maya and the Egyptians. Where Archeologists find new and exciting discoveries that are shunned by the "established" community.

Such as migration of people, world trade and huge man made buildings that date 20 thousand years back or more. These things are not acknowledged by as I said the "established" acheological community.

And it's truly sad.

~Keeper

Poor guy, he must have brought a rock to a spear fight.

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You know, he might have won the fight but later died from infection.

You don't know what happened you just know that he was wounded and died.

I liked the "rock to a spear fight ''

Here's my theory as to why this is news.

The Spear used to commit the murder is known in modern times as the legendary Spear of Destiny. Notice the wound was in the left ninth Rib; in this part of the article the author of the story implies a connection to Adam's rib; Adam being the Neanderthal. The alleged event even occured in northern Iraq; the very location where this whole story will end.

The news story is using a scientific topic to stealthly enter a religous discussion. It's quite clever.

What if the great conflict that has engulfed the world today is the tail end of a battle that began at least 75,000 years ago? I guess the murdered Neanderthal had a Son and A bunch of rouge Priests, decendents of the human character postulated to be the thrower of the spear, are hunting down the last of the Neanderthals?

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