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Originally posted by watchtheashes
reply to post by shockme
If Yeshua did not die a pure life without sin on the cross for all people and bearing their sins for them, then Satan would win. Death and the creation curse entered through Adam and Eve and there would have to be a "ransom" to bring us back to eternal life, perfect bodies, and Paradise on Earth by His death and Resurrection. So a perfect man sinned to bring creation to a curse (entire universe) and that would mean a sinless perfect man the Son of God would have to take it out. His Name is the only one to be saved by no other. In a Universe like this one, Yeshua would be the only Messiah as only God Himself could possibly save everyone in this sort of state of creation. Do you understand? In order to bring us back to God forever, there would have to be a pure and perfect sacrifice once and for all to end all the useless killing of goats that would never really take away the curse. We know this curse as "every day life" and sweating, bodily needs, pain, and of course death.
EVERY Scripture must be fulfilled. So yes Yeshua is coming on the clouds of heaven.
Anyone who does not believe in the only begotten Son of God has made God a liar.
The book of Hebrews is clear on how He gave His life in place of all the sacrifices.
[edit on 7/15/2009 by watchtheashes]
Originally posted by Evangelical
First let me prove that islam is false. Muslims believe that Jesus is a prophet this He cannot lie. Jesus said He was God and the saviour, how do Muslims deny this? They claim the Christian Gospel is a false Gospel invented hundreds of years later and the real Gospel was revealed to Mohammed and the real Gospel foretold the coming of himself.
Archaeology has proven that as early as 55AD Christians knew the Gospel we continue to hear today and by which we are saved. Islam is a false religion based on this fact whether Christianity is true or not.
Originally posted by rubbertramp
Originally posted by nomorecruelty
reply to post by '___'eviant
Rats, you made this way too easy -
Choose your source, my friend.
And don't expect me to sit here and type out all one hundred either.
i did, and here's the first attempt.
Jesus will return (to judge the living and the dead) Bible prophecy: Matthew 24:29-31 Prophecy written: During the first century Prophecy fulfilled: To be fulfilled In Matthew 24:29-31, as well as in other places within the New Testament, Jesus revealed about 2000 years ago that he will return in the future to judge the living and the dead. This is a core Christian belief that is reflected in the Apostles' Creed, which is a summary of Christian beliefs that was written many centuries ago. The Apostles' Creed is recited by Christians during Christian worship services. - Copyright © George Konig, Ray Konig and 100Prophecies.org Matthew 24:29-31: 29 "Immediately after the distress of those days " 'the sun will be darkened, and the moon will not give its light; the stars will fall from the sky, and the heavenly bodies will be shaken.' 30 "At that time the sign of the Son of Man will appear in the sky, and all the nations of the earth will mourn. They will see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of the sky, with power and great glory. 31 And he will send his angels with a loud trumpet call, and they will gather his elect from the four winds, from one end of the heavens to the other.
man, i must have missed this one. they claim prophesies that have already come true. sounds more like an alien invasion to me.
Originally posted by Bombeni
reply to post by nomorecruelty
You are right, I didn't understand that she is unwilling to ask forgiveness of her sins. I guess I figured that was just a given.
I tell you the truth, some who are standing here will not taste death before they see the Son of Man coming in his kingdom.”
Originally posted by watchtheashes
You're going to learn the hard way.
Originally posted by ancient_wisdom
In the book of John, Jesus says
"I am the Father are one."
And he also says
"My father is greater than I."
Christians love to do mental gymnastics to make this somehow conform to their perfect religion, but the truth is, this is a blatant contradiction. And not only that, it is a blatant contradiction within the same book of the bible. If you want exact quotes, just skim through the book of John in the new testament, it's there.
And as for the messiah comment, I hear it said alot that Jesus was the only person who claimed to be the messiah. This is wrong. Read Hinduism or Buddhism, the Baghavad Gita says that everyone is God. The Upanishads main dictum is "You Are That" meaning you are God. Messiah simply means the anointed one. After all, aren't we all God's children?
I have no problem with Christians, as Christ was a peacemaker and a wise person, I just also know that that doesn't mean Christianity is the one true religion. That notion confuses the point of religion. There is so much religious conflict in the world because everyone thinks their god is the best, when all a religion is supposed to do is teach you to act peacefully with each other. The fact that religion doesn't do this indicates something is wrong, and the main thing wrong is not necessarily religion but politics.
Another thing, if you want to understand the trinity, the best source is not the bible but Plotinus and his metaphyics of the One, the Intellect, and the Soul. This makes more sense than the christians who believe that Father, spirit, and Son are three people in one.
18 For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book: 19 And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book. 20 He which testifieth these things saith, Surely I come quickly. Amen. Even so, come, Lord Jesus. 21 The grace of our Lord Jesus Christ be with you all. Amen.