The most violent country in Europe: Britain is also worse than South Africa and U.S., page 9
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reply posted on 5-7-2009 @ 06:47 AM by Elliot
reply to post by mikerussellus
I think you are spot on as to this cause of what is happening.

Mothers are all at work.
No one is minding the kids anymore.

My daughter in law comes from a family where both parents worked full time and the kids took care of themselves.

One of her brothers became an heroin addict.

Another has done time for robbery and is an alcoholic.

She claims that from the age of 12 she was only interested in Vodka, boys and sex!

All of them have turned out very badly for the sake of being able to have a new car every year and go abroad on holiday.

In our home, only one of us worked out of the home full time and the other kept an eye on our kids. They all turned out well so far!

If there is no one around to enforce boundaries, restrictions and teach self control then the children become self pleasing, self gratification junkies and total morons!

I see it with my neighbour where she is a single mum who works full time and has had a string of boyfriends for the last 20 years. All of her children, boys and girls have become parents under the age of 15.

This happened because Mum was too busy going out with her latest boyfriend and going on holiday and leaving her children to their own devices.

Adults are selfish and materialistic and their children become fools, equally self serving and destructive to society.

Nobody wants to give up or sacrifice, they just want, want, want for Me, Me, Me and then complain when their children are bad, violent and uncaring.


reply posted on 5-7-2009 @ 06:52 AM by Elliot
reply to post by _Phoenix_


This is what happens when misfits and malcontents move into a country.

People who are fleeing from something may well have reason to flee if war has occured, but in normal circumstances why are we allowing such misfits into the country to breed even more misfits?


reply posted on 5-7-2009 @ 06:56 AM by DARKJEDIG
I would just like to add my personal views on this thread, as someone who has lived in both the U.S. and the U.K.

I was born in England, moved to florida at age 9, and came back to england at age 21. I am now 26.

Growing up in the states was terrifying for me. I remember going to school for the first day age 9, and getting heinously bullied within 10 min of starting my new life in America. I am English however, so I didn't put up with any crap, we are not all tea drinking yuppies, we are a tough, proud, and resilient people.

Anyways, within 10 mins of this bullying, I had broken this kids nose for constantly flicking me in the ear and getting called all kinds of stuff. He had several warnings by the way.

These kinds of things happened until I went to a christian high school, which was quite nice apart from the mindless propaganda and altering of historical events for religious benefit.

In my time in the states, we were robbed, had our cadillac emblem stolen from our car about 6 times, my bike was stolen, my mustang's roof was cut open and all my cds and everything else including the ash tray were stolen, I also had a few friends murdered by gunfire, one was my room mate and one of my best friends. I didn't live in a bad area, I have quite a wealthy family who travelled and owned many properties across the U.S.A.

In the U.K. however, I have never experienced any crime personally. All we get around here is drunken brawls and the occassional robbery (this is in pontefract, west yorkshire, I now live in Goole North Yorkshire.

I love it here, I gave up a fantastic lifestyle in florida to come home to the U.K. and i did this because I am english 100% and I am more comfortable with my people. There are a lot of great americans I know (including my dad!) But, I found a majority of the "sheeple" to be vein, untrusting, backstabbing, and too materialistic. The english are generally kind, welcoming, and will tell you what they think to your face, this is what I love.

I enjoy both countries but for crime, the people, and the beauty, I choose the UK every time...

Cheers,
-Jedi


reply posted on 5-7-2009 @ 06:57 AM by mikerussellus
reply to post by Elliot


True. The blame does rest with us, the elder generation that is raising these pups. My wife works, but only on the weekends where I can be home with the kids. Not to say we have raised perfect children (my oldest son is as lazy as a person can get) but I see this in other families over here.
And now look at the mess we are in now. Crime is rampant (and here I'm just going to lump UK in with the US) and our lazy generation is asking the government for more help in our lives. Our schools are teaching their own version of "morality" our colleges are teaching (indoctrinating) the new and future leaders.
And the nanny-state mindset keeps getting bigger and bigger.
Hell,look at our president. A child grown in a home without a mother and father. Raised by his grandmother.
Sometimes I hope things get worse. Those of us that can adapt and grow during hard times will certainly replace those that expect everything handed to them.


reply posted on 5-7-2009 @ 07:00 AM by _Phoenix_
Originally posted by Elliot
reply to post by _Phoenix_


This is what happens when misfits and malcontents move into a country.

People who are fleeing from something may well have reason to flee if war has occured, but in normal circumstances why are we allowing such misfits into the country to breed even more misfits?

The point is, before they come into this country some are TOTALLY different.

Ive seen kids come into this country, all friendly and sweet, and they would get picked on, then just a year later they have merged into this UK gangsta wannabe culture, their attitudes totally changed, white people, black people, asian people etc etc are all in on it.

Now let me remind people outside the uk that I would say that most kids are not into it, just like the news, we are only focusing on the negative, which gives a VERY unfair view of our country has a whole, we have to remember we are only focusing on the bad in this thread.

Most kids especially in the better areas are more nice, polite, well behaved, intelligent etc You know their mentality is more like that actor in harry potter or Orlando Bloom, and the many other english actors. I mentioning actors bas reference lol.



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reply posted on 5-7-2009 @ 07:03 AM by _Phoenix_
reply to post by DARKJEDIG


Yes thank you for that, like I said in my previous comment, we have been focusing on a LOT of negativity on this thread, which gives people outside the uk a very scary and ugly view of this country, while forgetting that uk is mostly more positive, there are many great places all over the country with great people, the bad people are around, but most of them stick to certain places areas, which is why peoples experiences will differ with every person you ask.

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reply posted on 5-7-2009 @ 07:05 AM by _Phoenix_
reply to post by Elliot


Yes good points, they are definitley some of the main parts of the deeper problem.


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reply posted on 5-7-2009 @ 07:11 AM by _Phoenix_
reply to post by dizzylizzy


You have to also remember that a LOT of crime doesn't get reported, getting beaten up, getting attacked, etc etc people especially youths don't report it.

Even when they get mugged for their mobile phone a lot of people don't report it, because they know the thugs have sold it within like 10 mins! They work FAST! And if you call the police, they give a not gonna find them attitude, the only thing they will do is look around for a hooded person, in an area full of hooded people....and then they give up.

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reply posted on 5-7-2009 @ 07:29 AM by rich23
Dear me, people just read stuff and don't think about it...

Originally posted by merkaba93
Here we have another piece of proof that gun control does not work.


Please learn the difference between "evidence" and the various meanings of the word "proof". This is not proof of anything.

The poor British who were once able to defend themselves in the face of violent crime


Evidence for this? It's a ludicrous statement.

The British people should organize and reinstate their right to keep and bare arms so that they might better protect themselves. If criminals knew their prey would likely fight back with lethal force I am sure crime rates would drop dramatically.


Mmmm. Canada has similar gun laws to the US, yet violent crime and death by shooting, per head of population, is way way lower. Care to explain that?

I feel fortunate that I live in the US where my basic right of self defense is recognized and I am able to carry a gun with me every day.
I feel fortunate to live in the UK where there are only two kinds of thugs carrying guns: criminals and the police. So far I've had more contact with armed police than with armed crims.

Gun control is evil.


I just love unsupported generalisations like that.

What say you all? Opinions for or against in the face of this hard data?


The Mail is an appalling rag that's fit only for wrapping chips. They harp on about Laura Norder all the time. And... did no-one reading the article look carefully enough to notice this statement?

There are also degrees of violence. While the UK ranks above South Africa for all violent crime, South Africans suffer more than 20,000 murders each year - compared with Britain's 921 in 2007.


Am I the only person here who can see that this statement directly contradicts the premise of the thread? South Africa has more than 20,000 murders annually (well over 20 times the number in the UK) and yet Britain is more violent?

Quick population check: for this to be true, South Africa would have to have a population of around 140m. Its actual population is roughly 44m.

So it's a gun freak who wants to get all available evidence to show why guns are good.

As it happens, the only place I think should have guns freely available is the US, partly for solid Darwinist reasons - it's an effective cull on the stupid - and partly because I do think the US government is evil and its people will need to defend themselves against it pretty soon.

As far as the UK is concerned, the fewer guns on the streets, the better.

And as far as the article is concerned... it's just more Mail frothing, and they can't even get their analysis straight.


reply posted on 5-7-2009 @ 07:38 AM by rich23
reply to post by DARKJEDIG


As someone who's lived in the UK and US myself, I absolutely agree.

On the other hand, I do have to admit that I don't go into central Brighton (my home town) on a Saturday night because it is rammed with drunken lackwits itching to pick a fight.

But that's not quite the same thing as being terrified of violent crime.

There are all sorts of things to moan about in Britain, but I really agree with your points about UK v US mores. At University I had a lot of friends who took a year abroad as part of their degree, and the ones who went to the US invariably agreed with your criticisms re the shallowness and vanity of many Americans.

And if you're living in Yorkshire you'll definitely know the meaning of "candour". In fact I suspect Yorkshire was where they first put the "dour" into "candour" but I love it anyway.
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