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Topic started on 4-7-2009 @ 12:32 PM by merkaba93

The most violent country in Europe: Britain is also worse than South Africa and U.S.


www.dailymail.co.uk
Britain's violent crime record is worse than any other country in the European union, it has been revealed.

Official crime figures show the UK also has a worse rate for all types of violence than the U.S. and even South Africa - widely considered one of the world's most dangerous countries.
(visit the link for the full news article)


reply posted on 4-7-2009 @ 12:37 PM by Laurauk
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Funny how they dont Compare gun deaths between the US and the UK.

Think you would see that in the US there are more gun related deaths than there is in the UK. Still there should be no guns allowed what soever in the UK.

But I do have to add, oks maybe certain parts of the UK, places are violent, but not every single city, town, village are violent. The report is misleading to say the least.

Oh and I await those who like to bash the UK coming in here and saying see Iran told you so


:lol

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reply posted on 4-7-2009 @ 12:55 PM by pieman
reply to post by merkaba93



according to your link the homicide rate in the UK is 1.49 per 100,000. in the US in 2007 it was 5.9 people per 100,000.

basically, in the UK, where there just happens to be gun control, you are 3 times less likely to be killed.

so why would they want to relax gun control?



reply posted on 4-7-2009 @ 12:56 PM by RedGolem
For all those of you who think that gun control has not contributed to the current crime rates, go to this thread and watch the video that is on it. It does shed some amount of light on the guns relating to crimes, as well as freedoms.


reply posted on 4-7-2009 @ 01:01 PM by grapesofraft
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I see your point about Americans thinking that everyone is Britain is dancing around in Pink Pajamas all day long. It isn't our fault, famous last words. Its the MSM in the US. I seriously grew up thinking, based on what I saw in the MSM, that every man in Britain was gay. Though now I realize that isnt true, it is only like half.

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reply posted on 4-7-2009 @ 01:30 PM by Silk
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We never had guns - some of us did - shotguns for sport and for the land - but no handguns and certainly no concealed carry legislation.

We do what we always did - a pick axe handle or cricket bat in the bedroom or a decent course in self defence


reply posted on 4-7-2009 @ 01:45 PM by merkaba93
reply to post by Silk



You did have guns...
Times Online



In Britain we might recall the prolonged failure of armed police to contain the Hungerford killer, whose rampage lasted more than four hours, and who in the end shot himself. In Dunblane, too, it was the killer who ended his own life: even at best, police response is almost always belated when gunmen are on the loose. One might think, too, of the McDonald’s massacre in San Ysidro, California, in 1984, where the Swat team waited for their leader (who was held up in a traffic jam) while 21 unarmed diners were murdered.

Rhetoric about standing firm against terrorists aside, in Britain we have no more legal deterrent to prevent an armed assault than did the people of Mumbai, and individually we would be just as helpless as victims. The Mumbai massacre could happen in London tomorrow; but probably it could not have happened to Londoners 100 years ago.

In January 1909 two such anarchists, lately come from an attempt to blow up the president of France, tried to commit a robbery in north London, armed with automatic pistols. Edwardian Londoners, however, shot back – and the anarchists were pursued through the streets by a spontaneous hue-and-cry. The police, who could not find the key to their own gun cupboard, borrowed at least four pistols from passers-by, while other citizens armed with revolvers and shotguns preferred to use their weapons themselves to bring the assailants down.

Today we are probably more shocked at the idea of so many ordinary Londoners carrying guns in the street than we are at the idea of an armed robbery. But the world of Conan Doyle’s Dr Watson, pocketing his revolver before he walked the London streets, was real. The arming of the populace guaranteed rather than disturbed the peace.

That armed England existed within living memory; but it is now so alien to our expectations that it has become a foreign country. Our image of an armed society is conditioned instead by America: or by what we imagine we know about America. It is a skewed image, because (despite the Second Amendment) until recently in much of the US it has been illegal to bear arms outside the home or workplace; and therefore only people willing to defy the law have carried weapons.

In the past two decades the enactment of “right to carry” legislation in the majority of states, and the issue of permits for the carrying of concealed firearms to citizens of good repute, has brought a radical change. Opponents of the right to bear arms predicted that right to carry would cause blood to flow in the streets, but the reverse has been true: violent crime in America has plummeted.

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