Originally posted by grapesofraft
I hear lots of people accusing Bush and Cheney of commiting all kind of crimes but nobody ever has a shred of proof. Nothing! Nada!

They have been accused of:
1. Being behind 911
2. Stealing all of our rights
3. Killing people
4. Stealing money
5. Trying to lead a coup
6. Trying to murder their friends
7. Torturing people
ETC, ETC, ETC, ETC, ETC, ETC, ETC, ETC, ETC!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Now I know you could say that they tortured, but they did Improvised Interrogation with the approval of the Justice Dept and the approval of the Congress people that were briefed. So it is hard to call that illegal, or if it is then all of those people are guilty as well.

So somebody show me something they actually did illegally with proof. It is easy to just spout off accusations that are unsubstantiated, but not so easy to back up the trash talk.

How would any of you like it if I ran around the world spouting off or posting on the internet accusations about you without any evidence what so ever (Only speculation and made up stories)?

[edit on 17-6-2009 by grapesofraft]

Try reading, and understanding, the Constitution. Educate yourself on the genius the founding fathers of this nation put into it's protections and safeguards that were meant to be followed. Their intentions were laid out in a perfect set of unchangeable statutes that secure all men, women, and children of this country from any enemy within it's borders. Unfortunately, even the most perfectly thought out plan possible to assure this is only effective when followed and upheld. It is the responsibility of the citizens, of which it is there to protect, to make certain, above all else, that it never be challenged. To live by it's guidelines and defend it's purpose at any cost. To abandon or ignore it is done at our own peril, without it we have little strength!

The sad truth is that it has been ignored and abandon. Most Americans today have little to no understanding of it's meaning or value. Ignorantly, they live as if they cannot be effected by anyone or anything around them? Even while they have lost important rights and freedoms given them by this document, still there is little concern for where it's leading them? When it's gone they will finally understand it's precious value, only it will be too late. This was forewarned, yet still ignorance prevails.

The Bush administration has most certainly violated laws of, not only this nation, but laws instilled by all nations of the world. Torture, specifically water boarding, is a crime the US has convicted others of doing in the past and can not be justified by any means whatsoever. They have admitted to doing it, that's proof. Violating Americans right to privacy by wire tapping is a clear crime against the Constitution and cannot be changed by the courts. They admitted it, that's proof. Invading Iraq, and now Pakistan, without congressional approval is also a crime against the Constitution. Lying to congress and manufacturing false evidence to obtain approval for war equates to multiple crimes. That's proof. Dealing nuclear weapons secrets to Israel is multiple crimes. Outing Valerie Plame. Vote fraud. The list goes on. What exactly don't you understand? What proof is enough?

Just because a crime goes unpunished does not change the fact it is a crime! When those that commit crime are in control of the punishment of crime, what else would you expect? But what is not expected are people like you that are ignorant of our countries laws and Constitution and gladly stand aside accepting it.

You are simply traitorous and a complete embarrassment to this country. Here is a little clue about government. They all break the law! But your choice to defend has gone far beyond criminal. You choose to speak up for a group that's gone way past crime for mere profit, you, my ignorant friend, are defending those that have successfully attacked your most precious assets! Your treasonous, murderous role models have violated everything you would hold sacred, had you the sense to understand it. What possible delusion are you suffering to come to such conclusions?

Congress cannot legalize torture of the citizens of the world! Violating unchangeable laws in the Constitution are not "unsubstantiated" no matter how gullible you are?!

Please educate yourself on what America stands for and affords you. What you can lose, as well as what has been lost already. Do you not see the damage that has been done? Death, war, housing, unemployment, etc...?

What a shameful thing it is to see America being destroyed! The only thing worse is seeing an actual American citizen defending those destroying it? What a damn shame!

Peace.

The US President is required to follow a congressional declaration of war before invading any country. He did not get such a declaration of war before invading Iraq in 2003. Therefore, he is a war criminal. He deserves punishment immediately. He belongs in prison. And the proof is in the list of congressional action in 2003. You will find no declaration of war. There will be your proof if you decide to look. Will you admit there is proof of criminal action after going through the 2003 congressional activity? If so, what will you do about it?

Of course there's no proof. They're sneaky bastards, doesn't mean they never did anything illegal. COMMON SENSE

Besides, Bush doesn't have to do anything illegal. He's the biggest murderer of the 21st century, making war legal doesn't make it right, especially when its for money.

It's becoming too easy to loose sight of whats important when the laws are screwed up.

How do you guys end up in conspiracy forums really? No wonder people think disinfo agents are all around. Cant you just take one look at his insincere face and tell that he is living with some horrid secrets.
When the whole system is crooked and gangsters make your laws does it even matter what is illegal and what is not.
Now watch this drive.